EPT[Megathread] Daily Proleagues - Page 62
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prosatan
Romania8266 Posts
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TMNT
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MAJOR PROLEAGUE, JUL 05 2024 [Team A]  Best  Royal Barracks  Queen Sacsrivs [Team B] Rain Sharp sSak Hero SoulkeySET 1 (PROLEAGUE) Sacsri <Pantheon> Hero Queen <Monty Hall> Rain Royal <Radeon> Soulkey Best <Kick Back> sSak + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Barracks <Minstrel> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Best <Dominator> Rain + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + Best <Deja Vu> sSak SET 2 (WINNERS LEAGUE) Queen <Neo Dark Origin> sSak + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Queen <Blitz Y> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Best <Retro> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Royal <Apocalypse> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Barracks <Citadel> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Barracks <Radeon> Soulkey + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + Sacsri <Radeon> Soulkey + Show Spoiler [Game 8] + Sacsri <Retro> Hero + Show Spoiler [Game 9] + Sacsri <Blitz Y> Rain SUPER ACE + Show Spoiler + Royal <Blitz Y> sSak + Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] + Sacsri > Hero Queen < Rain Royal < Soulkey Best > sSak Barracks < Sharp Best > Rain Best > sSak + Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] + Queen > sSak Queen < Sharp Best < Sharp Royal < Sharp Barracks > Sharp Barracks < Soulkey Sacsri > Soulkey Sacsri > Hero Sacsri < Rain + Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] + Exciting Proleague with full 17 games ended with a bit of an unbalanced super ace between Royal and sSak, that sees Royal as the victor. | ||
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Ideas
United States8117 Posts
On July 05 2024 01:56 prosatan wrote: I love you TMNT ! +1 Thanks so much for your work in this community!  | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
MIXED PROLEAGUE, JUL 06 2024 [Team A] Best Rush Barracks ggaemo Jyeomni(f)vs [Team B] Mini YSC Royal Sharp Ddubap(f)SET 1 (PROLEAGUE) Barracks <Kick Back> Royal Jyeomni <Vermeer> Ddubap ggaemo <Dominator> Mini Rush <Deja Vu> YSC + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Best <Monty Hall> Sharp + Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Jyeomni <Polypoid> Ddubap + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + Rush <Minstrel> Sharp SET 2 (PROLEAGUE) Rush <Pantheon> Sharp Jyeomni <Retro> Ddubap Barracks <Dominator> YSC ggaemo <Kick Back> Royal + Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Best <Monty Hall> Mini+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] + Barracks <Deja Vu> Mini + Show Spoiler [Game 7] + Jyeomni <Retro> Ddubap SUPER ACE + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Set 1 Results] + Barracks > Royal Jyeomni > Ddubap ggaemo < Mini Rush > YSC Best < Sharp Jyeomni < Ddubap Rush > Sharp + Show Spoiler [Set 2 Results] + Rush < Sharp Jyeomni < Ddubap Barracks > YSC ggaemo > Royal Best > Mini Barracks < Mini Jyeomni > Ddubap + Show Spoiler [FINAL RESULTS] + | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Z2eJSqr.png) Since 2024, Major Proleague and K-League have become much less distinctive compared to last year. There has been a lot of hybrid Proleagues (or in other words, they just grabbed all the players available regardless of tier to have a Proleague) so it's very hard to judge some players, notably Sharp, Stork, Shuttle, Action, Barracks, ggaemo. On the other hand, some players probably get a bit inflated by punching under their weight, notably Mini who has an absurd number of games (300) as all he does on stream is playing Proleague (and Kart Rider). A few notes regardless: - The number one player is still Snow, with a win rate miles ahead of the runner up. Ironically, his earning is still abysmal when you consider his win rate + number of games. That's really bizzarre as this is the 6-month figure, not just a bad patch. Maybe he really is permanently unlucky.- The top 4 is exactly as anyone would suspect, and also the same as last year. If Soma was still around, he'd probably join in the top 5 as well.- Most players are where you expect them to be. - Royal has fallen off a cliff it seems. He has never regained his form during the ASL run.- What happened to Shuttle? PvZ at 56% but PvT at 29%, is he the new... Bisu?- Speed is an interesting case. I decided to put him in the table despite the low number of games (he only recently joined Proleague), because dude is currently 11-1 in TvP, with most of those wins actually in Major Proleague.+ Show Spoiler [About earnings] + Team results were added to the original post now to shed a light on any correlation between individual win rate, team win rate and earnings. You can clearly see among those who won around 27-28 Proleagues, the earnings are very similar (Soulkey, Royal, Best) with Snow a bit lower, probably because the ones he won didn't have as big a prize pool. Also, Snow at an individual record of 127-62 and Best at 79-93 have almost the same team record (28-32 vs 28-33). JYJ must be the master of picking side. With a win rate of 42.6, almost lowest in the table, but his team has a record 24-13. But actually, Bisu is much worse than Snow when it comes to picking a side. Despite a 52% individual win rate, his team has a record of 17-32 (35%). But it looks like he joined some very profitable Proleagues, as his earning is almost as much as Snow. Players's head to head win rate added: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2icu9G0.png) | ||
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Soft_General_5023
76 Posts
Last 4-5 proleagues snow's team won though with him doing some allkills , maybe luck is turning around for him. Let' see how this stats will reflect in next ASL, hopefully with Flash in it. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5091 Posts
I think this mostly shows that online Mini carries (and wins) when it matters, while Snow doesn't lol. That game count on Mini is hot. The best earner (Games vs KRW) is Light? It's quite funny, cause even Shuttle earns better than Snow ^^ Looks like Speed and Snow while both scoring the best in their divisions are also the worst earners respectively lol | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25613 Posts
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smilevideo
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On July 07 2024 10:44 TMNT wrote: - Royal has fallen off a cliff it seems. He has never regained his form during the ASL run.JyJ even moreso | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands944 Posts
On July 07 2024 10:44 TMNT wrote: Has been a while since I did this table, but I guess 6 month accumulation and pre ASL is a good time to have a look at it again. Won't be able to provide a write up this time but there are a lot of numbers to see: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ApVXpd8.png) Since 2024, Major Proleague and K-League have become much less distinctive compared to last year. There has been a lot of hybrid Proleagues (or in other words, they just grabbed all the players available regardless of tier to have a Proleague) so it's very hard to judge some players, notably Sharp, Stork, Shuttle, Action, Barracks, ggaemo. On the other hand, some players probably get a bit inflated by punching under their weight, notably Mini who has an absurd number of games (300) as all he does on stream is playing Proleague (and Kart Rider). A few notes regardless: - The number one player is still Snow, with a win rate miles ahead of the runner up. Ironically, his earning is still abysmal when you consider his win rate + number of games. That's really bizzarre as this is the 6-month figure, not just a bad patch. Maybe he really is permanently unlucky.- The top 4 is exactly as anyone would suspect, and also the same as last year. If Soma was still around, he'd probably join in the top 5 as well.- Most players are where you expect them to be. - Royal has fallen off a cliff it seems. He has never regained his form during the ASL run.- What happened to Shuttle? PvZ at 56% but PvT at 29%, is he the new... Bisu?- Speed is an interesting case. I decided to put him in the table despite the low number of games (he only recently joined Proleague), because dude is currently 11-1 in TvP, with most of those wins actually in Major Proleague.interesting thing about speed is almost all of those TvP wins are vs Mini and Stork. Also interestingly, his sponmatch TvZ has a really good winrate vs top zergs, but in Proleague he's below 50%. JyJ has more than halved his activity since winning. Royal on the other hand still grinds just as hard. | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
On July 07 2024 19:56 WombaT wrote: How do the earnings work? Do fans tip or bet on their favourites or something? Merci It's a mutual prize pool shared between all the winners. You can read the first post of this thread to understand more. Earnings vary by days so it depends a lot on luck. But generally the more you play the more you get unless you are Snow who plays a lot and wins the most as an individual, but your team doesn't win as much lol. An extreme example to show why earnings depend on luck: player A plays 1 Proleague which has a prize of 5M per winner. He plays like shit, gets 0 win, but his team wins, thus he gets 5M. In contrast, player B plays 10 Proleague and he plays well but his team only wins 3 times, and each Proleague has a prize pool of 1M, so he ends up getting 3M. | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
Some observations: - Snow's only problems are Mini and Soulkey, but they are quite close- Likewise, Light's only problems are Snow and Soulkey- Soulkey on the other hand, has his nemesis in Bisu, and probably ZvZ in general.- Mini's best matchup is definitely PvP. His PvT and PvZ are blowing hot and cold.- Bisu has returned to be the PvZ god. Best still can't play PvP- What happened to Royal? He can barely beat anyone now.- Sharp has become the "anti-Terran". He's having a great record in TvP and TvT, but can't beat the top Zergs.- Meanwhile it's odds to see Jaedong struggled agaisnt Protoss.- Queen and Hero are the definition of mid-table players. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
76 Posts
On July 07 2024 23:31 TMNT wrote: It's a mutual prize pool shared between all the winners. You can read the first post of this thread to understand more. Are these like net money per player, not recycled or shared/overlapped? Quick look at a table that its averages 50M+ KRW per player so there was over 1 million USD in proleagues prize money alone? | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
On July 07 2024 23:44 Soft_General_5023 wrote: Are these like net money per player, not recycled or shared/overlapped? Quick look at a table that its averages 50M+ KRW per player so there was over 1 million USD in proleagues prize money alone? Yeah it's per player. The prize pool is crowdfunded every time they open a Proleague. No recycling or overlapping. Major Proleague is expected to gather at least 1M KRW per winner, so a total of 5M each time they open it. On some days the pool can be quite bigger (3M-5M per winner). Let's say on average they have 10M total per Proleague, and on some days they have two Proleagues at a time (Major and K League), so it's quite obvious that after 180 days the total money involved can exceed 1 million usd. | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
You can clearly see among those who won around 27-28 Proleagues, the earnings are very similar (Soulkey, Royal, Best) with Snow a bit lower, probably because the ones he won didn't have as big a prize pool. Also, Snow at an individual record of 127-62 and Best at 79-93 have almost the same team record (28-32 vs 28-33). JYJ must be the master of picking side. With a win rate of 42.6, almost lowest in the table, but his team has a record 24-13. But actually, Bisu is much worse than Snow when it comes to picking a side. Despite a 52% individual win rate, his team has a record of 17-32 (35%). But it looks like he joined some very profitable Proleagues, as his earning is almost as much as Snow. | ||
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TMNT
2809 Posts
Mini and Light are playing a 9 games series right now and + Show Spoiler + Mini is getting slapped 0-6. Kinda reflected in the H2H win rate table eh? | ||
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bochs
114 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands944 Posts
On July 08 2024 01:29 bochs wrote: The stats align with my observations: Sharp is good at mech units, but not good at bio units. Which is a bit odd, Sharp used to have a really good TvZ few years back. Could be the maps and meta. | ||
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Zografa
194 Posts
Do you know what was the issue with killer, starting at 7:50 in this game? | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands944 Posts
On July 08 2024 19:45 Zografa wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmv-GGEfcAY Do you know what was the issue with killer, starting at 7:50 in this game? apparently a fake killer joined the lobby and got in and started talking. Actual killer was in an observer slot, as can be seen in the vod: https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/128366001 You can see 1 Killer in observer slot, 1 Killer in the in-game observer spot. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IAcWsSK.png) | ||
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