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jtkirk
33 Posts
On April 21 2021 20:44 oEkY wrote: WOW, game 3 of the finals today is a MUST watch, best game ive seen in a very long time I agree! I only watched few moments, as much as my work allowed me. But I will definitely re-watch this again. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
So many game-flow decisions that both players had to take. Pretty impressive. | ||
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Zergxhx
China185 Posts
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TMNT
3085 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
Correct me if I am wrong: KCM Race wins: 8T 7Z and... 1P | ||
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TMNT
3085 Posts
On April 21 2021 21:55 Rainalcar wrote: What else is new? Correct me if I am wrong: KCM Race wins: 8T 7Z and... 1P Yeah and that only P win came from the season when they finished third during the tour period and just happened to have Best and Shuttle switching on their god mode in the semi and final. In fact I believe P finished third during the tour period in most, if not all, of the recent KCMs. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
On April 21 2021 20:46 jtkirk wrote: I agree! I only watched few moments, as much as my work allowed me. But I will definitely re-watch this again. Any clue where we can watch this? | ||
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Aeternum
Latvia35 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On April 21 2021 22:04 TMNT wrote: Yeah and that only P win came from the season when they finished third during the tour period and just happened to have Best and Shuttle switching on their god mode in the semi and final. In fact I believe P finished third during the tour period in most, if not all, of the recent KCMs. There really is nothing to say. But yes, let's leave it solely to the maps with regard to balance. That worked out really well. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8495 Posts
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TMNT
3085 Posts
On April 22 2021 03:20 Rainalcar wrote: There really is nothing to say. But yes, let's leave it solely to the maps with regard to balance. That worked out really well. Actually I think there's another reason that explains the poor performance of Protoss in KCM. The format is if you win against T your next match is Z and then T and then Z... and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ, they are less likely to have a winning streak compared to the other races, so they always ended up finishing third. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On April 22 2021 06:57 TMNT wrote: Actually I think there's another reason that explains the poor performance of Protoss in KCM. The format is if you win against T your next match is Z and then T and then Z... and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ, they are less likely to have a winning streak compared to the other races, so they always ended up finishing third. That's a great post. Can you imagine if Bisu was as good vs T as he was vs Z? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
How many Protoss players even have >50% PvZ in the KCM league? Edit: Game 3 of finals... unbelievable! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
game 3 might be GOTY, btw.. Complete insanity! wow | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On April 22 2021 13:25 Djabanete wrote: > and because there's no Protoss who's good at both PvT and PvZ How many Protoss players even have >50% PvZ in the KCM league? Edit: Game 3 of finals... unbelievable! Exactly. Long term, a dominant PvZ player does not exist. Bisu's prowess vs Z is from a bygone era almost, and it is, in case, completely incomparable to relatively far superior results of best Zergs vP. And yes, game 3 was amazing. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
This year in spon games, Bisu has a better PvZ win rate than any zerg has in ZvP. In fact, Bisu has been doing so well in pvz that he has a winning record against every single zerg player in the scene. 14-4 vs Soulkey, 33-29 vs Soma, 47-31 vs Larva, 34-21 vs Hero, 33-8 vs Effort, 12-8 vs Zero, 39-21 vs Action. He also has a winning record against all terrans except for Flash (2-5) and Light (14-21). Now look at Bisu's performance in events, he actually hasn't done particularly well, he crashed and burned last ASL losing to two comparatively bad terran players. In my opinion, Bisu's issues appear to not be race or balance related, but rather mental. So why has protoss performed below par in KCM? I won't presume to know the answer, but there are many avenues one could persue. I think the main issue is the lack of a consistent 3rd/4th protoss. Bisu and Best tend to do okay, and then the last slot rotated between Mini Shuttle Snow and Stork through the regular season, and they did not really perform well. Shuttle being their 4th spot in the playoffs is quite telling, he's not even a top 20 player in sponbbang, regardless of how well he performed in the finals. But really, I think it's absolutely silly to start whining about balance when we have such a close final, and pvz stats on spon are the best they've been in a very long time. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13294 Posts
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
Protoss is vulnerable against Zerg in a Bo1, almost irrespective of overall skill. For example: if the 10th best Zerg was dropped into playing against any of the Top3 Protosses he could choose from a variety of all-ins to get a win just to kill that top player that would otherwise have a decent showing in a different format. So Zerg has way more room to plan one of these series depending on the lineup of players. Terran on the other hand has way more stability against any of the other races so it's easier for them to be very consistent in this league format. | ||
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