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geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:38:23
August 04 2019 11:36 GMT
#101
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant. And i'm a die hard Stork fan.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:38:29
August 04 2019 11:38 GMT
#102
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?
Faker is the GOAT!
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 11:40 GMT
#103
On August 04 2019 20:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?


Rain's PvT is very good but I don't think it's as good as Snow's.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:41:44
August 04 2019 11:41 GMT
#104
On August 04 2019 20:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?

Of course not just this Bo 5 he is the only P that wins over Flash in a Bo5 since like forever.
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
115 Posts
August 04 2019 11:42 GMT
#105
What am I reading here... Snow is not that good, Snow didn't do anything unusual or extraordinary, and Flash won't make it past Rain. I'm just... short on words to write in response to these statements.
I think Artosis was spot-on in his repetitive remark that Last is approaching his opponent the wrong. Playing standard vs the very best really does put you against the odds.
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:42 GMT
#106
Last is quite weak in TvP so consider Snow's competition. Last is best in TvT and TvZ.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 11:45 GMT
#107
On August 04 2019 20:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
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On August 04 2019 20:28 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!

Rain's form is good enough for me to be bold

Stats suggest otherwise, to be honest, but Flash is not somebody to underestimate anyone, least of all Rain whose style he knows fairly well. This is not to say Rain is not dangerous, of course.
WriterReV hwaiting!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:55:19
August 04 2019 11:54 GMT
#108
On August 04 2019 20:45 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!

Rain's form is good enough for me to be bold

Stats suggest otherwise, to be honest, but Flash is not somebody to underestimate anyone, least of all Rain whose style he knows fairly well. This is not to say Rain is not dangerous, of course.

I mean Rain literally just won a tourney, so I'm sure he will ride the momentum. Being a long-term fan of Rain, he's been known to not one crumble under high expectations (he does get super lazy lol)
Flash is still really strong though, so I guess it might be close, just recency bias for Rain (and bias for him anyways, I support Rain more than anyone)
Faker is the GOAT!
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 12:24:52
August 04 2019 12:21 GMT
#109
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 12:43:16
August 04 2019 12:42 GMT
#110
Dominant performance from Snow.

Edit: Snow needs Flash to knock Rain out. He's probablly the only player in the World who wants to play Flash not Rain.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 12:47 GMT
#111
On August 04 2019 21:42 Greg_J wrote:
Dominant performance from Snow.

Edit: Snow needs Flash to knock Rain out. He's probablly the only player in the World who wants to play Flash not Rain.

This.
WriterReV hwaiting!
TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway386 Posts
August 04 2019 12:49 GMT
#112
Snow is a beast PvT. Did not expect a clean 3-0 sweep. But GG's, sad that Last is out
On the up-side it will make for a very interesting ro4 on this side of the bracket. I think Action is quite happy with this result, and if he meets snow in the next round he might go all the way to the finals. If Action meets Rain in the finals then I think Action might take it! But if Sharp wins over Action, most likley Snow goes to the finals, and if he meets Flash there I think Snow might win, if he meets Rain in a PvP then I'm betting on Rain becoming the champ. Although I'm really hoping the finals will end in a non mirror-mu whoever gets there.
“Approved attributes and their relation to face make every man his own jailer; this is a fundamental social constraint even though each man may like his cell.” -Goffman
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
August 04 2019 12:53 GMT
#113
On August 04 2019 21:21 Dante08 wrote:
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.


Like suddently player who used to play with 350+ apm has sub 200 apm and has negative winrates across the board...

It is very painfull to see Last unable to perform like he used to.
it's not just a music it's something else
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 13:03:37
August 04 2019 13:00 GMT
#114
What a PvT monster SnOw is! Even Bisu couldn't outclass 2nd best terran like he schooled. Last was hiding on his terran hole like a rat all three games and couldn't do anything, even minor cheap vulture harass. I'm expecting SnOw on finals vs. FlaSh. Maybe FlaSh is going to lose another TvP to same person after his like 10 years unbeatable record until ASL5 ro8 vs. him.

On August 04 2019 21:53 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 21:21 Dante08 wrote:
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.


Like suddently player who used to play with 350+ apm has sub 200 apm and has negative winrates across the board...

It is very painfull to see Last unable to perform like he used to.


Yeah, Last really needs some rest. His performance was OK seeing how bad his wrists were, he told on KSL he went to doctor. I know what is wrist pain, actually got some on left hand because of spamming lately, can't imagine how hard for Last smashing buttons when you feel that pain constantly.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 04 2019 13:55 GMT
#115
Why does everyone jump to the conclusion Last lost because of wrist pain? Has he at least said he had wrist pain recently? I think it is just people making excuses.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
August 04 2019 14:13 GMT
#116
Last played bad, plain and simple. Its not from yesterday that his TvP has problems, he lost Stork 0-3 in KSL not long time ago in KSL 3. He did swap Action and Best to get rid of 2 protosses in the group nominations also.

On the other hand, SnOw was really impressive. I always thought he had some major macro leaks, like his probe transfert, he forget pylones way more than others Top P, etc. But today everything seemed on point, and his decisions making was Flashesque
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 14:33 GMT
#117
Last was crazy spooked. Snow won the mind game MASSIVELY. Look at the builds both used in game 2, for example.

So, the defending ASL champion is that afraid of Snow and his abuse. Nothing out of the ordinary.
WriterReV hwaiting!
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
August 04 2019 14:34 GMT
#118
On August 04 2019 22:55 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Why does everyone jump to the conclusion Last lost because of wrist pain? Has he at least said he had wrist pain recently? I think it is just people making excuses.


http://bj.afreecatv.com/rlatjdgus228/posts?page=3

You can google- translate these entries and later ones, I don't think Last would lie about stopping streaming and such. Besides, would Last have won KSL or ASL with this kind of performance? Would he have placed constantly top in sponsored matches? Yes, Last has tendency to crumble under pressure but today it that was not the case. Just bad mechanical execution in every way.
it's not just a music it's something else
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
August 04 2019 15:20 GMT
#119
I don't like one sided matches :/
:3
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 16:07 GMT
#120
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.
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