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[ASL7] Semifinal B - Rain vs Last
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Just hope some nices games, with tense micro and crazy strats.. Anyway, it's always hard to say, but the winner of this semi have a very high probability to win the finals... | ||
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On March 05 2019 14:11 BigFan wrote: Let's go Last. I believe! I want to believe myself but I realistically think Rain will win this 3-1. | ||
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Motivate
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1 dead terran lol... go rain! | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:43 Motivate wrote: just can't see last taking a single game tonight; tvp is a tough match up (plus his own weakest match up), he's injured and well past his prime 1 dead terran lol... go rain! Last 3-0 Rain incoming | ||
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On March 05 2019 16:43 Motivate wrote: just can't see last taking a single game tonight; tvp is a tough match up (plus his own weakest match up), he's injured and well past his prime 1 dead terran lol... go rain! Honestly this thing with the "tough" match ups is an artifact from the dawn of the broodwar where people mechanics and strategies were developing imo. Nowadays the progamers mechanics and game knowledge is way above than the in game infrastructure that made some plays, mechanics and units abilities look harder or a bit unfair for one race or another. Even TvT is not a tough match anymore imo, maybe PvZ is the only match left where you can say its tough for the protoss, but only because the race maybe objectively lacks some tools to deal with zerg's unpredictability all the time, but its a big maybe | ||
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Motivate
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On March 05 2019 18:45 M2 wrote: Honestly this thing with the "tough" match ups is an artifact from the dawn of the broodwar where people mechanics and strategies were developing imo. Nowadays the progamers mechanics and game knowledge is way above than the in game infrastructure that made some plays, mechanics and units abilities look harder or a bit unfair for one race or another. Even TvT is not a tough match anymore imo, maybe PvZ is the only match left where you can say its tough for the protoss, but only because the race maybe objectively lacks some tools to deal with zerg's unpredictability all the time, but its a big maybe I love brood war as much as anyone, but i think its delusional to say some matchups arent harder than others. Also, if anything, i would say PvZ is the one “hard” match up that has become more even as zergs seem to dedicate much more practice time to ZvT and rely on winning ZvP with hydra busts and early aggression. If you dont think that TvP is harder than TvZ then I guess every Terran besides Flash is just incompetant against Protoss? | ||
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edit: maybe i am... buffering every couple mins? might try watching on afreeca rather than youtube? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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4 goliaths pop out the second the shuttle arrives in the main. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 05 2019 19:37 Motivate wrote: this map is so fair its supposed to be unfair for terran. poor rain, his strat should have worked but he got outmacroed by last. | ||
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On March 05 2019 19:37 Motivate wrote: this map is so fair Terran is winning, looks okay to me. | ||
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On March 05 2019 19:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: its supposed to be unfair for terran. poor rain, his strat should have worked but he got outmacroed by last. but flash isn't even in this ASL lol yeah after a failed proxy... how are you even meant to hold the island against protoss? i have no doubt rain would have won if it wasn't for the failed proxy | ||
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GG | ||
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nojok
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On March 05 2019 19:41 mishimaBeef wrote: needed the 2nd shuttle commitment to support the goons He struggled to micro a single shuttle against goliaths, let alone two. | ||
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nojok
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On March 05 2019 19:42 sM.Zik wrote: I had issues with YT stream but Afreeca english works perfectly fine. GG Afreeca has been good for Westerners for almost two years now, I don't know what they changed. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
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gotta stick with youtube for now :/ | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 05 2019 19:45 [AS]Rattus wrote: afreeca just shows the "stream has ended due to an error" =/ gotta stick with youtube for now :/ tried refreshing a few times? its worked for me before, not that I've had any issues today, or all season(watched only on afreeca) | ||
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On March 05 2019 19:55 sM.Zik wrote: I feel like Last isnt as behind as the casters make it sounds. I agree. | ||
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On March 05 2019 19:59 RowdierBob wrote: Rain doing the utter choke. seems fine. | ||
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Jackal03
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that proxy... it's like playing against cheater protoss | ||
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On March 05 2019 20:18 nojok wrote: Artosis stating the truth, people hate protoss. I love Protoss | ||
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Ikirouta
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On March 05 2019 20:18 nojok wrote: Artosis stating the truth, people hate protoss. I love protoss. | ||
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nojok
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You're probably one of those heartless AI wandering across the net, certainly not a human. Wow one more bot above, tl.net needs DDOS protection. | ||
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Ikirouta
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On March 05 2019 20:23 nojok wrote: You're probably one of those heartless AI wandering across the net, certainly not a human. Wow one more bot above, tl.net needs DDOS protection. :'( | ||
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so great to see this | ||
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Jackal03
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lol, calm down the fandom | ||
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Jackal03
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so fun | ||
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Jackal03
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still hoping that last wins this, no one deserves a PvP finals (despite rain being so good) | ||
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nojok
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Sick game. | ||
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Ikirouta
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On March 05 2019 20:46 Javah wrote: Amazing game so far! Too bad I keep having these "stream has ended due to an error (-1)" issue Streamlink is working perfectly. I can't watch afreeca at all and youtube was laggy as hell. I suggest you try streamlink, theres a thread on TL on how to do it. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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YOU CAN DO IT! | ||
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phosphorylation
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Such drawn out strife in the center. You can just feel the struggle physically. Monumental effort from both players. | ||
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On March 05 2019 20:48 Ikirouta wrote: Streamlink is working perfectly. I can't watch afreeca at all and youtube was laggy as hell. I suggest you try streamlink, theres a thread on TL on how to do it. Thanks, I'll try this right away. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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I was itching for more vessel usage though. Rain got mad value out of his arbiters. | ||
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Ikirouta
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https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/512913-guide-watch-afreeca-sc-bw-streams-with-vlc Found the thread for you. | ||
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On March 05 2019 20:52 nojok wrote: I like how rain had to take a break around the 20 minute mark after 5 minutes of non stop agression, it allowed last to regain some map control and then rain reentered the right left right left fury mode again, never allowing the terran army to head to protoss facilities. He loves bringing the hurt to the Terran. Up close and personal. For one of the first, if not the first big engagement Last was caught with a number of tanks unsieged, maybe 7-8. Courtesy of Rain's movement. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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THE BOYS | ||
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come on last, you can do it! | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:04 Motivate wrote: im rooting for rain but that was so satisfying to watch Indeed! What else as terran you could wish when you're frying zealots with pure marines? | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:06 nojok wrote: So norush 15 again? YES PLEASE | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 05 2019 21:06 nojok wrote: So norush 15 again? on shit chain? doubt it. | ||
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nojok
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This map again? :_( | ||
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Motivate
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TaardadAiel
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On March 05 2019 21:04 Ikirouta wrote: Lets go Last! Take the garbage out! You really love Rain, don't you? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 05 2019 21:09 Motivate wrote: so is there a particular reason that last didnt avoid block chain? pure balls. | ||
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Ikirouta
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On March 05 2019 21:09 Motivate wrote: so is there a particular reason that last didnt avoid block chain? Map is good. Look at stats on sponbbang. Atleast for TvP. 116 148 43.9% Its protoss favored, but clearly not even close to the worst balanced maps we have out there. Stats tell us that its much worse for ZvP and ZvT... | ||
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outscar
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Crosspawn FTW! Fuck yeah. | ||
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Javah
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Edit : He did it the madman | ||
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Jackal03
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factory on the expo!!!! | ||
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Motivate
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so rude | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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see fucking madman pure balls | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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this is Balls 2: The Walls | ||
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hero goliaths | ||
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btw thanks Ikirouta for the link  | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:31 Javah wrote: Last ahead in supplies again he can do it the absolute bonker btw thanks Ikirouta for the link No problem!  | ||
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Jackal03
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SAVED THE FINALS | ||
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nojok
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Crazy series. | ||
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best ro8 goes for last vs sharp | ||
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That game 3 was a real test of endurance, I'm surprised both of them still had that much fight afterwards. And last going 2:0 on blockchain, that being the map every other terran has had such problems versus protoss on. This whole ro4 has been such a joy, definitely the best semis in ASL's history, usually we get one close one and one stomp, it's so rare to have 2 solid, entertaining bo5s where both players are really giving it everything. As much as I was hoping for an Effort:Last final, I'm really happy with tonight's result. Going back over their most recent live contest (KSL season 1) I had forgetten that Mini went 3:0, then 1:3 versus Last in the group stage. This gives me a lot of hope for a much closer finals than I think a lot of people expect, even if Last is on fire like he is now. Bring on the Rain:Effort 3/4 match, I don't think we've ever had one quite that good. | ||
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goody153
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this final 4 has been top notch so far | ||
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prosatan
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first effort and now rain | ||
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On March 05 2019 21:41 oEkY wrote: 2/2 liquibets in semifinals Lucky man. What's your prediction on the remaining matches? | ||
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On March 05 2019 23:07 Amanebak wrote: Lucky man. What's your prediction on the remaining matches? i never vote for what my head says, i always follow my heart and it tells me Mini and Effort ... but i guess thats also the reason why i'm usually wrong / unlucky | ||
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Jackal03
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On March 05 2019 22:47 Xain0n wrote: Did they announce the date for Effort-Rain? friday | ||
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Xain0n
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Friday the 15th? Or this week's ? | ||
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Jackal03
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edit: nervermind, it's not confirmed yet. sorry for the wrong information. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 05 2019 23:41 Jackal03 wrote: edit: nervermind, it's not confirmed yet. sorry for the wrong information. 3rd/4th place match is on the 10th | ||
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Mini fighting!!!! | ||
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That makes both semifinal finalist | ||
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ASL youtube channel sort of spoiled it for me though, went to click the VOD and somehow it started from game 5. | ||
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On March 06 2019 01:23 Dante08 wrote: Holy shit just watched the VOD, that was one of the best series ever! Both players played so well but those 2 Goliaths + mines at the natural won him the game. If the recall makes it to the main I'm pretty sure Last loses. ASL youtube channel sort of spoiled it for me though, went to click the VOD and somehow it started from game 5. Yeah same thing happened to me -_- . I just turned that off and went to the afreeca channel and watched there. Luckily I wasn't paying close attention to the score so I forgot who was supposed to be ahead by game 4 haha. | ||
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second in command going to take ASL in Flash's stead. | ||
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 L A S T | ||
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On March 06 2019 01:09 Weeuweed wrote: Unbelievable. Afreeca Youtube thumbnail spoilt the finalist again. That makes both semifinal finalist Honestly at this point, if you are letting yourself get spoiled by Youtube thumbnails then you simply deserve it. Just search "ASL ro4 day 2" in the search and the video that comes up will not contain any spoiler picture. Or, you know, use afreeca.tv/aslenglish like most people. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:50 Rodya wrote: Honestly at this point, if you are letting yourself get spoiled by Youtube thumbnails then you simply deserve it. Just search "ASL ro4 day 2" in the search and the video that comes up will not contain any spoiler picture. Or, you know, use afreeca.tv/aslenglish like most people. Have you actually done this yourself? I literally copy/pasted what you wrote, and the first video in the results shows the winners of both Ro4 matches in the thumbnail. | ||
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Huge props to Last for some exceptional play this series. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:53 LG)Sabbath wrote: Have you actually done this yourself? I literally copy/pasted what you wrote, and the first video in the results shows the winners of both Ro4 matches in the thumbnail. When I went to watch this afternoon it said the full duration, clicked it and it was the final 30 minutes so I missed all the games but 1 haha. | ||
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On March 06 2019 04:50 Rodya wrote: Honestly at this point, if you are letting yourself get spoiled by Youtube thumbnails then you simply deserve it. Just search "ASL ro4 day 2" in the search and the video that comes up will not contain any spoiler picture. Or, you know, use afreeca.tv/aslenglish like most people. This comment is off-putting because it contains something that is not true and assumes that everyone wants to watch at afreecaTV; I have a specific reason for watching the ASL at YouTube instead. | ||
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WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!? | ||
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BigFan
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Both players played their hearts out and that game 3 was like the prime example of how difficult late game TvP can get against such an amazing toss player like Rain who knows how to wear down his opponent. Would definitely recommend for anyone who wants a great TvP series and I'd say this was as entertaining as Flash vs Snow in ASL5. On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote: im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question. WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!? Which ones? If memory serves, Last had a ton of depots guarding his fourth and it's true that his fifth wasn't walled off, but he was using most of his money on making units and mining etc... | ||
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Aminus
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On March 06 2019 10:07 BigFan wrote: Which ones? If memory serves, Last had a ton of depots guarding his fourth and it's true that his fifth wasn't walled off, but he was using most of his money on making units and mining etc... Both 3rd and 4th wasnt walled off, depots were guarding tanks, and there were nothing to stop Rain from roaming around in both Lasts expansions, so last was just moving his army left and right and could barely move out to push... Im wondering are terrans forgot how to wall of after the fighing spirit era or they dont do it because they dont want to spend extra time to figure out the proper walls for new maps? His open entrances to expos were clearly the reason he couldnt do anytning with his macro advantage. | ||
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BigFan
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On March 06 2019 10:15 Aminus wrote: Both 3rd and 4th wasnt walled off, depots were guarding tanks, and there were nothing to stop Rain from roaming around in both Lasts expansions, so last was just moving his army left and right and could barely move out to push... Im wondering are terrans forgot how to wall of after the fighing spirit era or they dont do it because they dont want to spend extra time to figure out the proper walls for new maps? Keep in mind that walling also means that if Rain recalled any of these walled bases, then Last has a harder time moving his army back to save them in time since the mech army is immobile and can be kinda clunky. Furthermore, I think you meant the 4th and 5th since the 3rd base for Last was the one at 2. Suffice to say, I was watching his resources closely and he was extremely busy keeping his macro going which is very demanding to do as well as try to defend and be aggressive when he could. Add on the fact that once Rain started being aggressive, he gave him no time to even think about walling as well. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:08 Aminus wrote: im watching the series and im on game 3, I have a big big question. WHY IS TERRAN NOT WALLING OFF HIS EXPANSIONS?!? Last did and ithe depos got destroyed. You simply have no time in late game macro BW to rebuild those. | ||
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On March 06 2019 10:59 ShowTheLights wrote: FUCK AFREECA for spoiling this match on the thumbnail Yeah Afreeca needs to get their shit together for their YouTube channel. Constant upload issues and spoilers. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Mentor Stork > Mentor Flash :~) On March 06 2019 11:11 Dante08 wrote: Yeah Afreeca needs to get their shit together for their YouTube channel. Constant upload issues and spoilers. I don't mind u/l issues but yeah the thumbnail spoiled the first semis for me as well, still that series was so good I got easily over it in the end. | ||
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kidcrash
United States620 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
Edit: I was watching while also trying to put a desk thing together but I don't remember any fast nexii in any of the games? Well maybe in game 5? But the "free" fast nexus on Blockchain is kind of a special case, as was Last's response. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13007 Posts
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Ballnazor
Sweden22 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
On March 06 2019 07:02 RJGooner wrote: Welp, I was salty after Last cheesed out Soulkey but I take it all back. What an incredible series. Game 3 was one of the best TvPs I've seen in a while. Huge props to Last for some exceptional play this series. Same. This was the finals I wanted. Grah rain is too human still. Control issues here and there where last has infinite apm. For some reason feels like he takes more worse fights than other tosses. Like hell just go macro god and chuck things at the Terran, Man that was really excellent. I really like having some cheese mixed in and both spiced it up nicely. Lasts macro is like a rogue ai | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
Not the most polished semifinal, but this was one of the most epic for sure, along with Effort-Mini. Starcraft e-sport scene deserves champions from the three races. And there aren't many tosses around. Rain should do it. C'mon, even for the sake of Busu and his fans. At least Rain and his brutal statistics in SC and SC2! I got to say that in those impossible mechanics only Flash is No1 and Bisu at some unit movements, but then it comes Rain, who deserves more than one ASL. Then he can happily retire! | ||
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goody153
44127 Posts
On March 06 2019 18:37 Veluvian wrote: One of the most heart breaking matches I've watched. It's simply not fair the people not to vote for Rain in order to avoid PvP in the final. In fact I like Last as a player and he got some cool decisions in his pocket. But he is not the best yet. Not as Effort or Rain. And those lucky proxy factory at the end... I have to admit that Last deserved a 5th deciders match, he deserved one more chance. Not the most polished semifinal, but this was one of the most epic for sure, along with Effort-Mini. Starcraft e-sport scene deserves champions from the three races. And there aren't many tosses around. Rain should do it. C'mon, even for the sake of Busu and his fans. At least Rain and his brutal statistics in SC and SC2! I got to say that in those impossible mechanics only Flash is No1 and Bisu at some unit movements, but then it comes Rain, who deserves more than one ASL. Then he can happily retire! Winning championships isn't about "deserving to win" it is about actually beating opponents and it turns out that Rain isn't good enough to beat the other finalist. This is a competitive scene where skill matters the most and it doesn't matter if somebody deserved to win if that player doesn't have the skills to do it. Viewing experience is all about enjoyment. I would still vote a pvt finals over pvp finals. Unless pvp is actually more fun as a spectator but it isn't I understand the frustration but there is still a chance for a "toss champion" with mini on the finals. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19240 Posts
On March 06 2019 01:09 Weeuweed wrote: Unbelievable. Afreeca Youtube thumbnail spoilt the finalist again. That makes both semifinal finalist https://www.sc2links.com Spoiler free way to watch every Starcraft tournament. | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
On March 06 2019 19:54 BisuDagger wrote: https://www.sc2links.com Spoiler free way to watch every Starcraft tournament. Also, the Small Vod Thread is always spoiler-free. ; ) | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
I love Rain and his skillset seems currently to be unsurmountable by any other protoss but this scumbaggery of his for 3 of the games, it just deserved to be punished. The icing for Last was the proxt factory - "Here, take some of this crap you've been feeding me, does it feel good? I bet it does. Now die." | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
On March 06 2019 19:38 goody153 wrote: Winning championships isn't about "deserving to win" it is about actually beating opponents and it turns out that Rain isn't good enough to beat the other finalist. This is a competitive scene where skill matters the most and it doesn't matter if somebody deserved to win if that player doesn't have the skills to do it. Viewing experience is all about enjoyment. I would still vote a pvt finals over pvp finals. Unless pvp is actually more fun as a spectator but it isn't I understand the frustration but there is still a chance for a "toss champion" with mini on the finals. I know, mate. Rain lost and I fully accept that. It's no luck, it is a part of the game and congrats to Last, as I said, he deserved match 5! I was teased by predictions especially by the neutral spectators in the forum, because Rain showed better results recently, especially against Last. From this perspective I was a neutral viewer who enjoyed the other semifinal and I expected Effort (logic) to win, and I didn't give a damn how the match up in the final will be either ZvT or ZvP. Cheers! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 06 2019 20:41 JoinTheRain wrote: I just watched this series. So thrilling, so exciting, it captured the essence of broodwar for me. Amazing plays on both sides all throughout the games. In the end the better player of day won and it just felt right somehow. I love Rain and his skillset seems currently to be unsurmountable by any other protoss but this scumbaggery of his for 3 of the games, it just deserved to be punished. The icing for Last was the proxt factory - "Here, take some of this crap you've been feeding me, does it feel good? I bet it does. Now die." haha this made me chuckle. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19240 Posts
Of course! But who doesn't know about that thread by now lol. I assume there are anti-small vodders that refuse to use your awesome service. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
Rain did a few small mistakes that kinda bothered me and gave a match or two a slightly less satisfying end than I had hoped. But man, truly great games. | ||
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Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway633 Posts
Not only because I was rooting for Last, but also because there'll be no PvP finals xD I'm cheering for Last to win, especially since I reckon his wrist problems gives him limited time left. However, I don't mind Mini winning either. I really feel like he's greatness in the making and it'd be cool if this was his time to shine and start to truly unleashing it. I'm honestly happy either way, as far as the finals goes! At least if they keep up the level of play and entertainment as seen in these semi-finals. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10506 Posts
Game 1 - proxy gateway Game 2 - proxy gateway x 2 Game 3 - proxy starport Game 4 - proxy barracks Game 5 - proxy factory Commentary was great. Tasteless describing Rain's attacking in game 3 as a see-saw was a great metaphor. Artosis describing Game 3 as "one of those campaign missions where the objective is to survive for 30 minutes" and then noting that Last tapped out at 29:59 was hilarious. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
And might as well say congrats to Mini as well -- he was a much bigger underdog there but managed to pull out a very convincing series win. Looking forward to both the finals and 3rd place matches! | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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SC_ar
United States35 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1689 Posts
On March 06 2019 19:54 BisuDagger wrote: https://www.sc2links.com Spoiler free way to watch every Starcraft tournament. Doesn't work. The SC2link still leads to the youtube thumbnail | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 06 2019 07:02 RJGooner wrote: Welp, I was salty after Last cheesed out Soulkey but I take it all back. What an incredible series. Game 3 was one of the best TvPs I've seen in a while. Huge props to Last for some exceptional play this series. I'm saying as a Zerg player that the loss was on Soulkey, he scouted the damn rax right away! | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On March 06 2019 19:54 BisuDagger wrote: https://www.sc2links.com Spoiler free way to watch every Starcraft tournament. This is super nice. Blocking out the Youtube bar especially, I try not to look directly at it but once in a while it tells me we're not going to game 5 and I get sad | ||
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nikolaus8844
104 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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nikolaus8844
104 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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ilsamsamchil
155 Posts
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noobcake_
29 Posts
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Aminus
Bulgaria35 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5559 Posts
On March 10 2019 15:10 noobcake_ wrote: When are finals happening? Not a single thread about it.  Afreeca Starleague Season 7Scroll down and click on the "i" icon. It's this Sunday. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On March 10 2019 00:41 Alpha-NP- wrote: Rain vs Effort later today will be the most exciting third place match. It seems better than the finals to me. Hope we see some showy games that are long and close. The Prophet xDDD | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway699 Posts
On March 07 2019 02:02 BlackJack wrote: Every game had a proxy Game 1 - proxy gateway Game 2 - proxy gateway x 2 Game 3 - proxy starport Game 4 - proxy barracks Game 5 - proxy factory Commentary was great. Tasteless describing Rain's attacking in game 3 as a see-saw was a great metaphor. Artosis describing Game 3 as "one of those campaign missions where the objective is to survive for 30 minutes" and then noting that Last tapped out at 29:59 was hilarious. Hahaha the last one there is actually hilarious 😀 Great find. And awesome commentary as always! | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2272 Posts
Mini vs effort was very good, but this one stole the show. | ||
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SC_ar
United States35 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:33 XenOsky wrote: Last vs rain was starcraft in a nutshell, amazing series, one of the best tvp series ever played if you ask me. Incredible games, crazy mindgames, brilliant counter builds and close games. I mean game 5 was decided by 3 idle goliaths... games cant get closer than that... Mini vs effort was very good, but this one stole the show. This was the real championship. I just have a hard time believing Mini will beat last unless he pulls a few rabbits out of the hat. | ||
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