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(EmSc TV)[KSL2] Semifinal B - Last vs Soulkey
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BLinD-RawR
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(Tastosis)Korean Stream (KCM, trOt and Zeus)German Stream (NarutO and TakeTV)Polish Stream (EmSc TV) | ||
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Me_ToKa
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winson
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ggsimida
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Yanokabo
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Wonk
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SeigeTanks4TheWin
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
I like Last as well, but my body needs TvZ finals. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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ggsimida
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flies i nto hydra pack | ||
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Katkishka
United States658 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Szinkler
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Turbovolver
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Turbovolver
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ggsimida
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Katkishka
United States658 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2414 Posts
Builds a barracks in his nat, just to cancel it immediately when lings see it, so it looks like a CC but Soulkey doesn't get a chance to click and check. | ||
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Anc13nt
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BLinD-RawR
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
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Zaibakk
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
I also disagree with Artosis's statement that last season match wasn't close, those were pretty darn close games. COME ON SOULKEY! | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
On December 07 2018 19:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Wow Soulkey just went in with the mutas and picked off everything and Last just couldn't stop him. he went 2port wratih but barely made any as he expand and transition to back to mass rax. with such low army production is just asking for a easy zerg allin. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On December 07 2018 19:46 chuDr3t4 wrote: Last played CB game so bad I started to think Observer decynced and it was an AI. He is not AlphaGo for nothing | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
On December 07 2018 19:46 bferi wrote: I am so glad to see this. I was angry because everyone said Rain was the favourite yesterday and Last is the one today, but I totally disagree. I'm not saying Soulkey is going to win, but I absolutely expected something like this (Soulkey ahead 2-0). I also disagree with Artosis's statement that last season match wasn't close, it was pretty darn close games. COME ON SOULKEY! yeah I had a similar argument with a guy from the 1/4 finals threads, he was explaining how Rain-Last is given with Rain 110% sure champion :-) | ||
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Wonk
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Uldridge
Belgium5181 Posts
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Uldridge
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Turbovolver
Australia2414 Posts
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Katkishka
United States658 Posts
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5181 Posts
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
i feel like im repeating myself from some time but.. 4:3 inc | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
On December 07 2018 20:01 bferi wrote: Why did Last kill the SCV? probably A clicked on it by accident | ||
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Raynian
United States50 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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Miragee
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
On December 07 2018 20:07 Miragee wrote: Soulkey is playing out of his mind today. Let's go for another 3-3 into 4-3. Agree but also Last looks pretty off in a way that its not because SK is playing great, the bunker rush was the only moment where SK outplayed Last without Last fucking it up too imo | ||
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ggsimida
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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ggsimida
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5181 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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ERSJ
Sweden57 Posts
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Katkishka
United States658 Posts
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Raynian
United States50 Posts
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Zaibakk
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BLinD-RawR
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ERSJ
Sweden57 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5181 Posts
Now all I need is a 4-2 for Soulkey! | ||
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Levque
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Starecat
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I hope this doesn't have anything with the said cyberbulling he suffered on other threads :/ Cheering for Sharp. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Wonk
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Zaibakk
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
On December 07 2018 20:25 Zaibakk wrote: So now we can say Sharp > Last? eh today feels like a strange one-off though...but i agree that flash last and sharp are the top3 terrans atm. | ||
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Yanokabo
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Wonk
546 Posts
On December 07 2018 20:27 Burned Toast wrote: Everything goes according to plan... it's amazing how far some people will go to avoid TvT finals. If we find out last was poisoned, we'll know who the culprit was | ||
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reps)Plumbum
Russian Federation484 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 07 2018 20:25 Zaibakk wrote: So now we can say Sharp > Last? Not really. You could if Last was constantly playing the way I did today; I wouldn't even think Sharp>Last after a KSL victory. | ||
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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KarlHungus1908
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
I just hope for not so one sided finals. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8907 Posts
I went with Rain and Last Anyway , it's better to have a TvZ final ! I like both players but i will vote for Sk ! | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2717 Posts
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ortseam
996 Posts
On December 07 2018 23:43 prosatan wrote: Both LB are wrong I went with Rain and Last Anyway , it's better to have a TvZ final ! I like both players but i will vote for Sk ! Sharp is very unlikely to win in macro games, but considering the games we've seen so far in this tournament, I think we're gonna get lots of short ones. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19366 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/4ZBMYZo.png) Meanwhile Sharp... ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uCC3NPj.png) | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19366 Posts
On December 07 2018 23:52 ortseam wrote: Sharp is very unlikely to win in macro games, but considering the games we've seen so far in this tournament, I think we're gonna get lots of short ones. This is what the games will look like. edit: Maybe with better graphics  | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
At any rate, Soulkey losing to Sharp would be the most unexpected thing that could happen so far. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On December 08 2018 00:32 Rodya wrote: I wonder if Last had some psychological issue for the match. He got so much hate for beating Jaedong just using 1-1-1 every game. ... I just wonder if he wanted to play these special strategies because of the fans. He did get hate for that. Interesting idea, but I think SK doesn't have anything like a Jaedong fanbase. I'm still assimilating what happened. Maybe he overthought things or underestimated SK's resourcefulness. I thought on this matchup for a few days and ultimately decided Last would be saying: Ok, this isn't Effort, I can do 1-1-1 builds. I've been working on some refinements that should work against Soulkey. Let's do that. And I thought that would work. Didn't expect 2-port wraith to be a "refinement" though. Back to the drawing board I guess. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On December 08 2018 00:32 Rodya wrote: I wonder if Last had some psychological issue for the match. He got so much hate for beating Jaedong just using 1-1-1 every game. Maybe he told himself that he'd rather lose than win that way again just because of the fan hate. I don't know I haven't been watching Lasts' stream. I just wonder if he wanted to play these special strategies because of the fans. At any rate, Soulkey losing to Sharp would be the most unexpected thing that could happen so far. Wtf | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Question: Are Last's builds supposed to be strong against aggressive anti 1-1-1 Zerg openings? There's got to be some rationale for his choice, he played like he was the underdog but he should feel like he is right? | ||
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Yanokabo
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AF0x
United States59 Posts
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 08 2018 06:32 whaski wrote: I think Last is going to military soon. He has been cancelling streams due severe pain, said that he couldn't sleep because of wristpain. Today showed it, bad control and strange decissions. oh if he has been suffering from pains and aches that explains his cheeses... | ||
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dredredre
100 Posts
Wow, super game. I think progamers played better when they lived in team houses, had coaches, sponsors (as opposed to Afreeca balloons), and had a workout regimin. That's not to say games today cannot be exciting, and I don't know the source for claims of Last having wrist issues (he certainly played like he has some), but a coach simply wouldn't allow that to happen. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
KSL tastosis <3 starcraft gclef KSL cheer art space marine animation KSL crazy cheer art / animation KSL cheer animation sick KSL Soulkey interview | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden317 Posts
On December 08 2018 01:09 [AS]Rattus wrote: more unexpected than rain vs sharp? Soulkey going 4-0 against Last was way more unexpected than Sharp going 4-3 against Rain imo. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway386 Posts
 Games: Looked like Last had serious problems handling SoulKey early game in this series. And his 1-1-1 seemed off... looked like his head was not in the match really and it quicky gets out off hand. Like JDvsRain and last seasons finals. Once Mutas were out he was in big trouble every time & the double port shenaningans did not pay off.. I think he would be better off playing more standard, avoiding risks and aiming for late game with heavy upgraded bio/vessel/tank/drop-play. Anyhow GJ by SoulKey! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Having said that, Last was on top of his macro from what I recall, and aside from proxy rax play in game 3 that needed work, I can't remember anything major standing out in the first 2 games to say anything. Even in the last game, he had a great position but Soulkey just killed that bunker like it was nothing, well played by him. Anyways, grats to Soulkey. A Soulkey vs Sharp finals will be interesting seeing as this is the best form Sharp has ever been in, and neither him nor Soulkey have won any major tournament like ASL or KSL so we'll have a new champion regardless of the outcome! | ||
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errol1001
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 11 2018 14:18 errol1001 wrote: Didn't he suicide 5 wraiths in the first game? Oh right, good point. Bad error there. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
On December 08 2018 00:00 BisuDagger wrote: That soulkey pick to win was an easy one. Last has been struggling in these big games lately. Well done TL. Either SK has a ton of fans who vote with their heart or everyone saw this as a close match. Meanwhile Sharp... Only 27 voted for Sharp? Called it Sharp looked insane vs Mind on Heartbreak Ridge (one of my favourite TvTs so far) and Mind is a TvT monster btw. So not sure why people were sleeping on Sharp here, he has been winning a LOT and Rain has been falling flat on his face a lot lately even though I know he's a PvT god he hasn't looked dominant at all in his play.Super surprised by the Last v SoulKey results though :S Not that SoulKey won but 4-0? Shocker. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
Starting from 10.00 onwards Last mentions bad control etc. During Moo proleague draft he made update on his channel http://m.afreecatv.com/rlatjdgus228/detail/0/39177919 Not certainly sure what he proclaims, but atleast that the pain is getting worse and worse and affects his play. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
Flash and Jaedong have also had wrist problems, right? I swear I remember reading ~2 years ago that Jaedong was about to retire due to health reasons but obviously that didn't happen. I guess we're seeing what happens to players' bodies after 10+ years of intense practice almost every day :\ | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On December 11 2018 16:48 jjmmtt wrote: Only 27 voted for Sharp? Called it Sharp looked insane vs Mind on Heartbreak Ridge (one of my favourite TvTs so far) and Mind is a TvT monster btw. So not sure why people were sleeping on Sharp here, he has been winning a LOT and Rain has been falling flat on his face a lot lately even though I know he's a PvT god he hasn't looked dominant at all in his play.Super surprised by the Last v SoulKey results though :S Not that SoulKey won but 4-0? Shocker. Sharp is very cool and he's been improving at a tremendous rate, but Mind is no competition for him. He's no TvT monster by any means and TvT is his weakest matchup. He's an expro, to be sure, he's certainly better at it than 99% of the players out there, but most top terrans are better than him in TvT - and it is Sharp's best matchup. He played really well, too. All 3 games were really fun to watch. | ||
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Miragee
8671 Posts
On December 12 2018 17:43 CadenZie wrote: rainbow didnt know about last's wrist issues before the mpl draft and later apologized for making such a win-card based team putting pressure on last with wrist problems, he had to sit out of a few days of our team practice from it, but today last has started playing again and seems to be playing well. That's good to hear. Thanks for the info! | ||
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