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[ASL6] Ro16 Group Selection
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49781 Posts
STREAM Korean Afreeca Stream ENG Afreeca Stream (Tastosis) Seeded players are Rain Snow Mini FlashFINAL GROUPS: | ||
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oEkY
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NoS-Craig
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Terra1
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Zera
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On September 13 2018 19:29 NoS-Craig wrote: The stream is just showing highlights at the moment. Should be getting the group selection afterward though. Should be interesting who Rain picks to swap at the end of the selection. I'm guessing he'll pick a hard player early on then switch him into Flash's group. will take revenge on JD and will swap him into Flash's group :| | ||
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oEkY
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NoS-Craig
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Everyone seems to be picking on Sea :-( I like Sea | ||
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thezanursic
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
I miss the wobbly board with the shitty magnets. | ||
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Zera
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oEkY
Germany645 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:08 Ikirouta wrote: Wheres the wobbly board with the shitty magnets. I miss the wobbly board with the shitty magnets. indeed!  | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Ikirouta
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+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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Ikirouta
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Zera
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On September 13 2018 20:22 Ikirouta wrote: heh they held hands + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-nd34iAK9Y + Show Spoiler + | ||
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oEkY
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oEkY
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Terra1
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Zera
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Ikirouta
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Gahlo
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
Edit: it was ABCmart MSL with Bisu as well in that group. | ||
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greenelve
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oEkY
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Wonk
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M2
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3806 Posts
that's unfortunate | ||
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ShloobeR
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Kirb
Germany900 Posts
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oEkY
Germany645 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:45 Kirb wrote: How many swaps do we have at the end? ^^ Only one for Rain | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:45 Kirb wrote: How many swaps do we have at the end? ^^ Isn't it just the winner from last ASL that gets one? I'm not sure but I don't really like that part of it lol | ||
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Wonk
546 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:40 M2 wrote: what are the picks until now, coz I cant tell without the board Rain Sharp Mind Snow Shuttle Light Mini Shine Best Flash JD Action | ||
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oEkY
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:47 Wonk wrote: Rain Sharp Snow Shuttle Mini Shine Best Flash JD Action 10x | ||
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Zera
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
Snow Shuttle Light Mini Shine Best Flash JD Action Last. Effort and SK left, not an easy choice ) | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1162 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:02 BlueStar wrote: - hope Rain will switch Sharp w/ Action Rain said that he would not touch his group | ||
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Wonk
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NoS-Craig
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Kirb
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Zera
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:06 Zera wrote: Flash's wet dream - 3 zergs in his group True, but those are not really zergs one would wanna play so early in the tournament | ||
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polarbf
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Snow Shuttle Light Effort Mini Shine Best Last Flash JD Action Soulkey | ||
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leublix
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oEkY
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Wonk
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Snow Shuttle Light EffOrt Mini Shine Best Last Flash JD Action Soulkey Rain looks like he's going to try and swap around other groups, I'm hoping he swaps soulkey and mini edit: are they allowed to swap seeded players? | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:09 Wonk wrote: Rain Sharp Mind Sea Snow Shuttle Light EffOrt Mini Shine Best Last Flash JD Action Soulkey Rain looks like he's going to try and swap around other groups, I'm hoping he swaps soulkey and mini edit: are they allowed to swap seeded players? he cant touch group leaders like mini | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49781 Posts
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Ikirouta
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oEkY
Germany645 Posts
On September 13 2018 20:26 Ikirouta wrote: This is so cringy, pls make it stop bring back the wobbly board with the shitty magnets here it comes!  | ||
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O.P.
Sweden109 Posts
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3806 Posts
Best/Last <--> Action Effort <--> Last I'd like to see one of those :D | ||
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oEkY
Germany645 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:14 O.P. wrote: If JD and Flash both make it out of the group will they end up in opposite brackets? Planning for the finals? they could not play in the ro8, but maybe they could be on the same half of the bracket, meaning they could meet in the semis again | ||
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oEkY
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polarbf
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Group A: Rain Sharp Mind Sea Group B: Snow Shuttle SoulkeyEffort Group C: Mini Shine Best Last Group D: Flash JD Action Light | ||
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Wonk
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Snow Shuttle Soulkey EffOrt Mini Shine Best Last Flash JD Action Light Wow, really nice groups. | ||
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Ikirouta
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NoS-Craig
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oEkY
Germany645 Posts
so sad, shitty swap...! | ||
HaN-
France1919 Posts
Rain, Sharp Soulkey, EffOrt Shine, Last FlaSh, Light Funny how their names like that almost tells a story. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
JD Action Light in D. | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
So, no surprises here - Rain doing Flash a favor, screwing with both Snow and Shuttle and possibly eliminating JD from the tournament. So, I would go out on a limb and make the following predictions before the first matches are announced: A: Rain 1st/Sharp 2nd B: Effort 1st/Snow 2nd C: Last 1st/Best 2nd D: Flash 1st/Light 2nd | ||
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Ej_
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
Seeds pick their opponents. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:36 chuDr3t4 wrote: Matches are exactly that, Rain v Sharp, Mind v Sea etc Seeds pick their opponents. So players 1 and 3 pick their opponents? Since Sharp picked Mind. | ||
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O.P.
Sweden109 Posts
On September 13 2018 21:18 oEkY wrote: they could not play in the ro8, but maybe they could be on the same half of the bracket, meaning they could meet in the semis again OK, so a 66.7% chance they meet in the finals again instead of 57.1% chance, given that they both make it out of the group and not lose to anybody else. | ||
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Ayjayzee
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The smarter move would have been Best <-> Action, making it much tougher for Flash, Soulkey, Effort and Best to advance, and making it much easier for Mini, Shuttle and Snow. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 13 2018 22:08 Ayjayzee wrote: I'm not sure what Rain was thinking. He gave Flash an extremely easy group, made it so that Shuttle and Snow would almost certainly lose (which are both pretty free wins for Rain) and he Soulkey and Effort are pretty guaranteed to make it through, both of which he'll struggle against. The smarter move would have been Best <-> Action, making it much tougher for Flash, Soulkey, Effort and Best to advance, and making it much easier for Mini, Shuttle and Snow. Rain assumes himself (rightly so) to top his group. That leaves three potential second-place finishers to play against him, correct? Out of group B nothing really changes; Light is of no interest to Rain as a potential opponent, but Snow (I disagree with you here, he's his best PvP opposition, though Rain is still favored) and Effort would probably advance, both of whom he would like to avoid. I'm not really underestimating Shuttle, he beat Effort last year, but odds are against him. In group D things might have been pretty volatile with three zergs - he's fine against Action, I presume, but JD and SK are both to be avoided; moreover, with SK in that group, Flash MIGHT actually advance second and Rain does not want that. So he puts a TvZ specialist in place of SK, making the group more predictable in favour of the terran players and putting 3 out of the 4 potential opponents in group B, so that more of them are likely to be eliminated. Group C has two protosses and Rain has their number, he destroyed Best 3:0 in KSL and will probably kill Mini, so he has no reason to make it tougher on them. Putting Action in that group would favor Last immensely and change nothing for Mini. So, Rain makes it less likely for Flash to advance second and more likely for JD, Snow, Effort and SK to be eliminated. These 5 players are possibly his toughest opposition. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On September 13 2018 22:08 Ayjayzee wrote: I'm not sure what Rain was thinking. Pretty sure he was mostly doing Flash a favor. That everyone else benefited except Snow/Shuttle was less important. Probably made Soulkey's day too. [edit] I didn't predict that, but I did have a sense that allowing Rain to get Sea in his group without a swap was going to be bad. Shuttle picking Light over Sea allowed Rain the luxury of doing what he did. | ||
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StarscreamG1
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Shady Sands
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RKC
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The standout strategists were probably Mini and Shine. Not only did they avoid picking Sea, but they smartly picked Best - strong enough to dodge a swap by Rain, but still beatable. Whereas Snow and Shuttle made a mistake picking Light - a ripe target for a swap. Also, Shuttle was trying a bit too hard to have it 'easy' (one point suggesting to Rain to swap Last with him), which effectively screws his original group-mates. Part of Rain's plan may be to balance the groups, and not let any group have an easy ride (one point he remarked that he wasn't liking how Group B was having their way). So the optimal play is NOT to form an easy group, to avoid Rain's swap. The swap power may be imba, but overall affects the dynamics of the selections in an interesting way. | ||
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EndingLife
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
I am really excited about the next round and I am rooting so hard for Best. And intersting, the Best vs. July OSL final was when I started following the broodwar scene, I had watched a few games here and there before but ever since then I have watched every major tournament. So, Best has a special place for me even though I was a Stork fan in the Kespa days. And Jaedong, is, well, Jaedong... What maps will be played in the Ro 16 btw? | ||
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s.a.bobek
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Effort Snow Last Shine Flash Action | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10091 Posts
Group B: EffOrt/Soulkey. I think that EffOrt is going to sneak out of the group first by upsetting SK in G1, and otherwise, we both saw Snow's and Shuttle's PvZ in the KSL. While Snow managed to get up 2-0 vs JD, he choked and also didn't look good in standard games which EffOrt and SK both exceed in. Shuttle's PvZ is also just trash. Easy picks again. Group C: BeSt/Last. This was a weird group to pick because based upon how the first games go, things could be very interesting. I think any of these players could advance, but I'm going with BeSt and Last. I think BeSt will beat Last and Shine will beat Mini, then BeSt will upset Shine and Last will advance after that. It's a tough group to call. Group D: FlaSh/Jaedong. Man, everyone saying Light is gonna beat Jaedong is too clouded by the fact that Jaedong got 4-0d by Last. He beat Light in their KSL finals group, and Jaedong is only getting better right now. Easily the Group of Death imo, Action has also looked great. FlaSh > JD, Light > Action, JD > Action, FlaSh > Light, JD > Light. Jaedong over Light, screw all the naysayers. Also makes me sad that Action is probably getting eliminated here :/ | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
On September 14 2018 05:03 FlaShFTW wrote: Group C: BeSt/Last. This was a weird group to pick because based upon how the first games go, things could be very interesting. I think any of these players could advance, but I'm going with BeSt and Last. I think BeSt will beat Last and Shine will beat Mini, then BeSt will upset Shine and Last will advance after that. It's a tough group to call. I don't think Best beating Shine is an upset, Best is looking really really solid now, Shine has some creative strats and ideas but on a pure standard game his skills doesn't seem up to par with the very best. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 14 2018 05:03 FlaShFTW wrote: Group A: Rain/Sharp. Pretty easy, Rain picked really intelligently, picking a TvT specialist knowing he's going to pick more Terrans into the group. Sharp is a TvT specialist, showed he's better than Sea, and Mind's TvT hasn't looked impressive. Easy pick. Group B: EffOrt/Soulkey. I think that EffOrt is going to sneak out of the group first by upsetting SK in G1, and otherwise, we both saw Snow's and Shuttle's PvZ in the KSL. While Snow managed to get up 2-0 vs JD, he choked and also didn't look good in standard games which EffOrt and SK both exceed in. Shuttle's PvZ is also just trash. Easy picks again. Group C: BeSt/Last. This was a weird group to pick because based upon how the first games go, things could be very interesting. I think any of these players could advance, but I'm going with BeSt and Last. I think BeSt will beat Last and Shine will beat Mini, then BeSt will upset Shine and Last will advance after that. It's a tough group to call. Group D: FlaSh/Jaedong. Man, everyone saying Light is gonna beat Jaedong is too clouded by the fact that Jaedong got 4-0d by Last. He beat Light in their KSL finals group, and Jaedong is only getting better right now. Easily the Group of Death imo, Action has also looked great. FlaSh > JD, Light > Action, JD > Action, FlaSh > Light, JD > Light. Jaedong over Light, screw all the naysayers. Also makes me sad that Action is probably getting eliminated here :/ Are the games really going to be played in that order? If the pairs in the first two games of every group known from the group selection, why aren't they on liquipedia? And that way the first guy to get picked is at a very serious disadvantage; he doesn't get to pick his opponent but then the guy he picks has this advantage. Also, when will the map order be known and what will they ditch? CB in favour of Neo Transistor? | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
Edit: my picks would be A - Rain/Mind B - Soulkey/Snow C - Last/Best D - JD/Flash And dark horse pick would be Action to win the whole thing! | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
Plus you all should be happy with the switch as it gets us closer to a Rain Flash finals or atleast a BO5 Rain vs Flash series | ||
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jakarti
13 Posts
Anyway, even though the odds are still probably 80:20 for Flash, there are other opponents Flash could've picked if he was just trying to score an easy win, so I think it's cool of Flash to set up this farewell(?) match that's basically for the fans. | ||
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jakarti
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On September 14 2018 07:22 ShowTheLights wrote: For those of you confused with Rain's switch; He did Flash a favor because Rain and Flash are VERY good friends. Plus you all should be happy with the switch as it gets us closer to a Rain Flash finals or atleast a BO5 Rain vs Flash series I think the switch had two purposes. 1) Remove threat to his friend Flash as you say but also 2) Make it harder for JD to get out. If JD made it out second through his JvZ, it would make Rain vs JD a possibility, which I imagine Rain wants to avoid for a while. Rain at one point did mention switching Last with Action, which I think would've been optimal for him strategically (guaranteeing two strong threats are removed early on), but maybe avoided it for Flash. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11040 Posts
A looks pretty amazing for Rain. B Really hoping snOw pulls through and quietly wanting the alienzerg to make it! C Last has just been so good, so good v Z lately. Hope he has the chops to go through. Best has looked damn good as well. Kinda cautiously hoping for him to take the protoss crown. D. I think we know what we want. Light always feels like such a feel good underdog. | ||
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JackyVSO
Denmark85 Posts
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
Fingeres double-crossed for JD making it out of Group (D)eath Finally With ro24 done and ro16 about to start.. Tasteless c'mooon... you can do better casting then you currently providing man. Atleast Artosis is providing interesting and meaningful sentences wihich include ACTUAL analysis. I'm happy we can have English cast.. but it has to be providing something to the games. So please don't derail the cast With 10 minutes of meaningless 'hyping' or other stuff that is not relevant, sure you can hype but do it so that it's actually interesting . And PLEASE stop doing this: "for those of you who might be New or coming into the game or are New to BW ..etc etc let me tell you how brood war works", I cringe everytime you do thi. You've been With the scene 20 yrs like me... nobody is a "noob" in this game anymore, not even noobs! :-D And you think their first-ever experience will be to jump right into ASL and tune in? Noo man.. this is not needed This might sound like a huge rant on Tasteless lol, its not! I just want to listen to good casting, and sometimes T. is ok, I just think he can do better  | ||
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noobcake_
29 Posts
On September 13 2018 22:08 Ayjayzee wrote: I'm not sure what Rain was thinking. He gave Flash an extremely easy group, made it so that Shuttle and Snow would almost certainly lose (which are both pretty free wins for Rain) and he Soulkey and Effort are pretty guaranteed to make it through, both of which he'll struggle against. The smarter move would have been Best <-> Action, making it much tougher for Flash, Soulkey, Effort and Best to advance, and making it much easier for Mini, Shuttle and Snow. It makes sense when you think about it: 1) Revenge against JD for beating him 4-0 in KSL. He would clearly see JD as a big threat. 2) Screw Snow over, which in turn helps Flash (his friend), since Snow is one of few who can beat Flash. 3) Help his buddy Flash who should be able to beat Light pretty easily. Rain wants a final vs Flash. Overall, Snow was screwed over more than JD. JD vs SK was basically a coin flip (maybe slight edge to JD). Based on KSL, JD vs Light is also a coin flip, especially being only a BO3. | ||
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noobcake_
29 Posts
On September 14 2018 20:43 TiQ.SinGi wrote: This might sound like a huge rant on Tasteless lol, its not! I just want to listen to good casting, and sometimes T. is ok, I just think he can do better He hasn't been that bad. In the first 3 or 4 minutes of the games, he keeps it entertaining by giving some theories behind why players might pick a certain build order etc (before they actually happen). It might be a bit of waffle but it keeps the cast going. Artosis comes into his own once the build orders chosen become revealed and he can really analyse it. Thing is, the 2 compliment eachother so it doesn't really matter. I've seen Artosis cast with others and he didn't seem as good. If he makes Artosis seem even better, then he is doing his job. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On September 14 2018 20:43 TiQ.SinGi wrote: Best Group selection's so far, a lot of back-and-forth and funny moments. Let's not forget Light making Soulkey and Effort play rock/paper/scissors for that spot. On that note, I couldn't tell if Light was going to pick the same regardless. [loser goes to our team vs winner goes to our team] | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10091 Posts
On September 14 2018 05:12 Barneyk wrote: I don't think Best beating Shine is an upset, Best is looking really really solid now, Shine has some creative strats and ideas but on a pure standard game his skills doesn't seem up to par with the very best. BeSt lost to MIsO in the qualifiers. His PvZ is NOT good. I have Shine favored slightly, but slightly nonetheless. | ||
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
He hasn't been that bad. In the first 3 or 4 minutes of the games, he keeps it entertaining by giving some theories behind why players might pick a certain build order etc (before they actually happen). It might be a bit of waffle but it keeps the cast going. Agreed. And the reason for the way I framed my opinions. I like Tastless's overall energy, it works sometimes :-) My problem is when there is too much of derailing, and like Rapid (also a good guy), he/they sometimes miss obvious things happening in-game, like commenting 10 minutes later "what upgrades are they on?" "Does he have a Science facility yet?" MAN! Pay attention to the game lol. Just had to get this out, but I know I'm derailing this thread myself, so I won't comment more on the casters here. Final note, after watching ro16 Group A, I think Nogregret actually is quite cool. He should appear more! | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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