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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 24 2012 11:43 GMT
#2241
On March 24 2012 20:40 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 18:35 Sawamura wrote:
On March 24 2012 18:33 Winechu wrote:
On March 24 2012 18:14 writer22816 wrote:
On March 24 2012 17:57 Turbovolver wrote:
On March 24 2012 15:54 Toadily wrote:
Alright, just watched most of the VoDs, I like how all the games KT won, was pretty much all below 50/50 and all the games Khan won, it's more like 90/10.. even though the games were of the same quality..

haters gotta hate i guess

Stork beats Wooki with a sneaky scout to beat off the DT cheese nobody wants to see win.
HoeJJa wins a ZvZ with advantageous BO
Shine wins a scrappy, tense game vs Action, BOs were mirror I believe
Flash beats Jangbi, because Jangbi plays like absolute ass
Stats beats Reality in a nice comeback, this was a good game.
Grape beats Crazy-Hydra in a sick game where both go for heavy drops.
Stats beats Stork with a BO win in PvP. Yawn.



So, the only game KT won that really deserves a recommendation is Stats vs Reality.

What do you know, it's highly recommended, even though KT wins!

Maybe this isn't about haters, but because KT's wins were a lot shittier than Khan's today?

For example, people saying that Stork doesn't cut it in ace match because of this game are clueless. He was outmicroing stats in their first engagement.


Did we watch the same game? Stats outmicroed Stork, he took out both of Stork's zealots without losing a single goon. And Stork didn't lose because of BO, he got outplayed.


Yeah, you might want to rewatch the VOD Turbovolver. Stork got outmicroed hard. Even the casters were like "Kim Dae Yeob daebak control" lol. I agree with you that people saying stork won't cut it for ace on the basis of this loss are clueless though. The dinotoss will definitely bounce back stronger.


I know this may be asking a lot can we KT fans get the winners interview of Khan v KT day 1 ?


I was waiting for sc.plu.cn to translate it. It's out now! :D



Aghhhhh Kim dae yooob too good man .... not in good condition and yet was able to take down stork and reality .... Thanks again winechu ^_^.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 24 2012 11:45 GMT
#2242
On March 24 2012 17:57 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 15:54 Toadily wrote:
Alright, just watched most of the VoDs, I like how all the games KT won, was pretty much all below 50/50 and all the games Khan won, it's more like 90/10.. even though the games were of the same quality..

haters gotta hate i guess

Stork beats Wooki with a sneaky scout to beat off the DT cheese nobody wants to see win.
HoeJJa wins a ZvZ with advantageous BO
Shine wins a scrappy, tense game vs Action, BOs were mirror I believe
Flash beats Jangbi, because Jangbi plays like absolute ass
Stats beats Reality in a nice comeback, this was a good game.
Grape beats Crazy-Hydra in a sick game where both go for heavy drops.
Stats beats Stork with a BO win in PvP. Yawn.



So, the only game KT won that really deserves a recommendation is Stats vs Reality.

What do you know, it's highly recommended, even though KT wins!

Maybe this isn't about haters, but because KT's wins were a lot shittier than Khan's today?

For example, people saying that Stork doesn't cut it in ace match because of this game are clueless. He was outmicroing stats in their first engagement.


i was like wtf are you smoking, and then i saw your sig
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
littlefighter
Profile Joined February 2011
43 Posts
March 24 2012 11:45 GMT
#2243
Flash really needs a center two gate treatment.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
March 24 2012 11:53 GMT
#2244
I didn't wake up in time for this, damn it.Games were rather good, but it was so sad to watch Jangbi get dismantled like that.
Ace game sucked too, can't believe Stork chose to open with so passive build in such important game
Shine's comeback was amazing, I was sure that he had lost that one, but ZvZ and its madness hit me once again~
Tomorrow's match is our!
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13046 Posts
March 24 2012 12:18 GMT
#2245
I cant understand how Reality losses games when he has such a big advantage in a lot of games lately .......

Few examples are games against JD, Fantasy and now against Stats. This guy just have terrible decision making where any given pro should win 99 out of 100 times in those situations and he losses those types of games :S
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 24 2012 12:31 GMT
#2246
Hope tomorrow will be Ace match too

+ Show Spoiler +
not enough Firebathero
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
March 24 2012 12:35 GMT
#2247
Stork played too conservative. That's the stork disease, think he's favored to win? Lose like a bitch.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
March 24 2012 12:36 GMT
#2248
On March 24 2012 20:45 zeehar wrote:
i was like wtf are you smoking, and then i saw your sig

Feel free to point out where I was wrong, and I don't see what being a fan of Bogus has to do with this? :confused:


And to people saying that Stats outmicroed Stork, I went and rewatched that part, and I gotta admit, I was focused on watching Stork's movements, and Stats' are actually good too. Right when Stats first hits, they both microed very well actually. I like to post tongue in cheek when it comes to LR threads but when it comes to discussing details I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.
And Stork did get an unfavourable BO, but one could argue he didn't play perfectly considering he did use a secret probe to scout it, he had options like a shield battery or pulling probes.
The original Bogus fan.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 24 2012 13:05 GMT
#2249
NOOOO STOOOOORKUUUUU!

Nice job KT, way to hold it together.
kiss kiss fall in love
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
March 24 2012 13:35 GMT
#2250
Me when I saw the results:

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[image loading]
ZerO, Action, Neo.G_Soulkey & FlaSh fanboy~~
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 13:51:45
March 24 2012 13:45 GMT
#2251
Stork had slight BO disadvantage, that's obvious, but I have to question his decision to back away his probes during first attack
Stork would be with 7(one has spawned 3s later) goons+probes vs 6 goons and zeal from Stats, with additional 3 goons en route to his nat.
[image loading]
If he held that, typical power push with 2 reavers would have killed Stats easily.


Unfortunately it was over when he has lost reaver during this poorly executed breakout.
[image loading]
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
March 24 2012 14:32 GMT
#2252
After rewatching set 7, that forward pylon Stork placed right before the first engagement actually hurt him more than helped... 2 of his goons got stuck behind it and never got a shot off.
always tired -_-
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10192 Posts
March 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#2253
On March 24 2012 17:57 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 15:54 Toadily wrote:
Alright, just watched most of the VoDs, I like how all the games KT won, was pretty much all below 50/50 and all the games Khan won, it's more like 90/10.. even though the games were of the same quality..

haters gotta hate i guess

Stork beats Wooki with a sneaky scout to beat off the DT cheese nobody wants to see win.
HoeJJa wins a ZvZ with advantageous BO
Shine wins a scrappy, tense game vs Action, BOs were mirror I believe
Flash beats Jangbi, because Jangbi plays like absolute ass
Stats beats Reality in a nice comeback, this was a good game.
Grape beats Crazy-Hydra in a sick game where both go for heavy drops.
Stats beats Stork with a BO win in PvP. Yawn.



So, the only game KT won that really deserves a recommendation is Stats vs Reality.

What do you know, it's highly recommended, even though KT wins!

Maybe this isn't about haters, but because KT's wins were a lot shittier than Khan's today?

For example, people saying that Stork doesn't cut it in ace match because of this game are clueless. He was outmicroing stats in their first engagement.

I think some1 is mad.

Yeah kt!!! Thats how we roll!!!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
March 24 2012 15:13 GMT
#2254
knew something was up last night. looked at results, said stork>flash in ace. go to last page, nobody talking about it, fuck you OP
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
March 24 2012 16:33 GMT
#2255
Khan, unlike CJ, did not play like utter trash today. Reality failed because of stupid decision-making, but for the most part they did ok.
Then again, even STX and ACE would do better than CJ.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
March 24 2012 17:00 GMT
#2256
Khan put up some fight. Credit should be given is where credit is due. Stats played very well in both games and capitalised little advantages gained where many would falter in such pressure.

You would be amazed at the amount of players that just make mistakes when there ahead then lose the game (ie: Action lol).

TBH, Stats has always been a reliable Ace player particularly against Stork. I don't blame stork for playing 'safe' with the 2-gate robo, he couldn't risk losing to a DT rush. Stats took a slight gamble that Stork didnt go DT and pulled a win for the team.

What the coach said was right, KT was obviously going up against a protoss Ace, but KT had 2 races to choose from for that match. If Khan was playing SKT in that scenario, Fantasy could of have something prepared for that match as well, quite a blessing for any team to have 2 ace players of different race. Map is a map, but the difference between knowing and not knowing whats coming is pretty big for the actual player.
sup
cLicK
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada450 Posts
March 24 2012 17:01 GMT
#2257
WTF. I thought this started on saturday for some bizzare reason T_T. Must watch VODs later.

Great result though. HoeJJa keeps being a playoff god, and Flash and Stats deliver
"정호야 하늘나라에선 아프지말자..." Rest In Peace KT_Violet (우정호)
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
March 24 2012 17:47 GMT
#2258
Q: The opponents picked Neo Outlier with the intention of not letting Flash play the ace match
A: On the contrary, we made use of that. They could not be 100% certain that Flash wouldn't be sent out, so they could not eliminate the possibility of vT. However, we were absolutely sure that they would send a protoss, which was advantageous to us.

Haha, so many people flamed the map picking rule and said it would be a big disadvantage. Guess what, this rule make KT even stronger :D
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
March 24 2012 17:55 GMT
#2259
Its not just about being disadvantageous, it leads to anticlimactic endings. The ace match should be the team's ace vs the other team's ace (assuming a balanced map), not limit those choices.

Would you rather watch Flash vs Stork/Jangbi or a pvp?

Each team should have been allowed to veto 1 map, and the ace match map could have been randomly picked from the remaining ones, or potentially have KeSPA (or the teams themselves) decide on a balanced map for the ace.

It should be up to the team to decide to throw a curveball and replace their ACE (if they choose to), not because of the map.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2215 Posts
March 24 2012 18:07 GMT
#2260
On March 25 2012 02:55 moopie wrote:
Its not just about being disadvantageous, it leads to anticlimactic endings. The ace match should be the team's ace vs the other team's ace (assuming a balanced map), not limit those choices.

Would you rather watch Flash vs Stork/Jangbi or a pvp?

Each team should have been allowed to veto 1 map, and the ace match map could have been randomly picked from the remaining ones, or potentially have KeSPA (or the teams themselves) decide on a balanced map for the ace.

It should be up to the team to decide to throw a curveball and replace their ACE (if they choose to), not because of the map.

Agreed. For the sake of an epic ace match, the ace match map should not be one team's choice. Progaming is supposed to be entertainment after all.
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