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On December 19 2011 15:07 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 11:26 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 03:33 zeehar wrote:
ok, i'm only just starting to look through this thread, but some idiot said flash was ruining esports? and used jangbi as an excuse? everyone in korea will root for the protoss in a match that they don't have any vested interest in. it's just the way it goes.
they love the legend of the fall (which had not been fulfilled for three seasons), jangbi was a sympathetic underdog who was only just starting to regain his form and was doing a cinderella run. only flash fans would root for flash in that match. it was getting pretty annoying that he brought up the dumb issue , seriously why would a dominating player will not bring in more spectators ? It's like saying hey during tiger wood prime , him winning another tournament will kill the golf scene , it didn't happen right ? Well currently his named although tainted by his own doing , people still want to watch tiger wood... Besides that to think legatus lanius the guy who actually made that comment was one of us KT FANS, now samsung khan -__- . Makes me really sad. i was never a kt fan, i just wore the banner because i liked the new icon. now i like the look of the khan banner, although it does help that stork and jangbi are infinitely more interesting than anybody on kt that didnt have chin surgery. dont group me with those people that blindly follow a team of players, i like watching players of all teams anyways, it certainly was ruining esports for me. i think we can all agree that jin air was a change for the better for everyone
Yeah your not a fan of any team , you team jumper -__- , besides that I never was a fan who players look good , I am a fan of my team because of their team legacy ,their players , so called what ever you want . Flash playing good will only make the broodwar scene grow .
Flash : Want to win me ?? Become better than me .
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slow you roll, i already told you im all about the icons. ill probably change to a team 8 icon if that gets implemented
different strokes for different folks, i watch players whose starcraft appeals to me, not because of the team they played on. if jangbi started to play terrible, boring starcraft i wouldnt enjoy watching him any more
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On December 19 2011 15:15 Legatus Lanius wrote:
slow you roll, i already told you im all about the icons. ill probably change to a team 8 icon if that gets implemented
different strokes for different folks, i watch players whose starcraft appeals to me, not because of the team they played on. if jangbi started to play terrible, boring starcraft i wouldnt enjoy watching him any more
Than what ever man , that's your choice , I am not a fan like you , If my players are feeling low and down , I will support them no matter how difficult it is . That's what to me , it's calling being a fan not some person who keeps being a fan who ever is suppose to be the best at that current time .
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lol, of course i will wish for my favourite players to play the best starcraft possible, but then again i wish for EVERYBODY to play the best starcraft possible. i wish all the lower class players would show some great starcraft, kinda like what shy has been doing lately. ideally i would love it if everybody came out with excellent games, not just those that play on a certain team i like for some reason. i wouldnt trash flash at all if i liked watching him play as much as i like watching, say, jaedong play.
yeah youre right, you have some weird groupie mentality going on whereas i just enjoy fun starcraft, whoever it may be that is providing it
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On December 19 2011 15:23 Legatus Lanius wrote:
lol, of course i will wish for my favourite players to play the best starcraft possible, but then again i wish for EVERYBODY to play the best starcraft possible. i wish all the lower class players would show some great starcraft, kinda like what shy has been doing lately. ideally i would love it if everybody came out with excellent games, not just those that play on a certain team i like for some reason. i wouldnt trash flash at all if i liked watching him play as much as i like watching, say, jaedong play.
yeah youre right, you have some weird groupie mentality going on whereas i just enjoy fun starcraft, whoever it may be that is providing it
Weird group mentality ? How is it weird when I support the players that I like watching , so are you trying to say I should like every players that I watch , If that is what you are trying to imply , I say screw that , it's my choice , I will support who ever want and I don't have to be " GROUPIE Mentality" . ? how is supporting my group is not enjoying starcraft ? Is this a freaking joke ?
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well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past
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god stats is so underrated because he's in the shadow of flash. people always dismiss him as just another average protoss but look at how he's been performing lately
also, stats (along with flash) is one of the few players who chose appropriate theme music  i would want something heroic sounding tbh
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On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past
Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account .
I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than .
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On December 19 2011 15:40 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account . I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than .
its really a surprise that i like watching interesting starcraft and not uninteresting starcraft? really? my attachment to starcraft players is very superficial, and it doesnt stretch past their starcraft. i dont care about bisu's looks, or best's muscles or baby's socks. i just dont give a fuck bro, i dont turn on a stream and get excited about kt's awesome group atmosphere either. im here for the starcraft.
individual league, team league, it makes no difference to me, there are players i like on EVERY team. i just think its absurd to be happier about watching a bad player play than a really interesting one. im not saying you have to like people that play the absolute best starcraft ever, because starcraft is a spectator sport and enjoyment is not a function of skills. i guess im just a bit of a hedonist because i like watching those who bring me good games, and dont like watching those who dont
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On December 19 2011 15:47 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 15:40 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account . I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than . its really a surprise that i like watching interesting starcraft and not uninteresting starcraft? really? my attachment to starcraft players is very superficial, and it doesnt stretch past their starcraft. i dont care about bisu's looks, or best's muscles or baby's socks. i just dont give a fuck bro, i dont turn on a stream and get excited about kt's awesome group atmosphere either. im here for the starcraft. individual league, team league, it makes no difference to me, there are players i like on EVERY team. i just think its absurd to be happier about watching a bad player play than a really interesting one. im not saying you have to like people that play the absolute best starcraft ever, because starcraft is a spectator sport and enjoyment is not a function of skills. i guess im just a bit of a hedonist because i like watching those who bring me good games, and dont like watching those who dont
Define a bad player to me ...... and what is so being absurd watching an under dog beat a better player in their game ? That's to me what is starcraft is , you may be the best these year , however will you continue to dominate so in the next year ? . I think you have totally forgotten that even Flash you called " E-sport destroyer " also has his up's and down , Recall 2010 season ? Getting knock out by classic and ssak .
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We get it, you guys have different philosophies on being fans.
Minor note to Legatus Lanus: If you actually do want to see players display the absolute best Starcraft possible, then why do you hate Flash?
He's not perfect, but he's the closest thing to. Seems right up your alley!
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On December 19 2011 15:53 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 15:47 Legatus Lanius wrote:On December 19 2011 15:40 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account . I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than . its really a surprise that i like watching interesting starcraft and not uninteresting starcraft? really? my attachment to starcraft players is very superficial, and it doesnt stretch past their starcraft. i dont care about bisu's looks, or best's muscles or baby's socks. i just dont give a fuck bro, i dont turn on a stream and get excited about kt's awesome group atmosphere either. im here for the starcraft. individual league, team league, it makes no difference to me, there are players i like on EVERY team. i just think its absurd to be happier about watching a bad player play than a really interesting one. im not saying you have to like people that play the absolute best starcraft ever, because starcraft is a spectator sport and enjoyment is not a function of skills. i guess im just a bit of a hedonist because i like watching those who bring me good games, and dont like watching those who dont Define a bad player to me ...... and what is so being absurd watching an under dog beat a better player in their game ? That's to me what is starcraft is , you may be the best these year , however will you continue to dominate so in the next year ? . I think you have totally forgotten that even Flash you called " E-sport destroyer " also has his up's and down , Recall 2010 season ? Getting knock out by classic and ssak .
a bad player to me is someone like perfective. i can say without regret that id much rather watch top zergs play than him. i have nothing against underdogs winning, like i said i just like watching good starcraft. its not an issue for me who provides it. you say that starcraft is all about underdogs winning against better players, does that mean you are happy when some random non-kt player beats flash?
i didnt know everyone was going to take the esports blow comment so seriously. i thought it was obvious that the sponsorship fallout was attributed to match fixing. whether flash wins or loses isnt the real issue for me. id much rather see him lose and play stacraft that appeals to my likes than see him win constantly in a way that i dont find appealing. if jangbi had've lost to fantasy it still wouldve been probably my favourite osl in recent times regardless
i think we're getting sidetracked here. my problem is with people that claim to enjoy watching a team play, regardless of the players on the team, rather than actually watching good players play, regardless of the team they are on
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On December 19 2011 15:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
We get it, you guys have different philosophies on being fans.
Minor note to Legatus Lanus: If you actually do want to see players display the absolute best Starcraft possible, then why do you hate Flash?
He's not perfect, but he's the closest thing to. Seems right up your alley!
i dont define best starcraft as the person displaying the most skill or winning the most games. i want to see fun, varied starcraft. jangbi may not be as good at tvp as flash, but i sure love watching his games a whole lot more. pushing the bounds of skill is all very well and good, but im not a competitor, im a spectator
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On December 19 2011 16:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 15:53 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:47 Legatus Lanius wrote:On December 19 2011 15:40 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account . I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than . its really a surprise that i like watching interesting starcraft and not uninteresting starcraft? really? my attachment to starcraft players is very superficial, and it doesnt stretch past their starcraft. i dont care about bisu's looks, or best's muscles or baby's socks. i just dont give a fuck bro, i dont turn on a stream and get excited about kt's awesome group atmosphere either. im here for the starcraft. individual league, team league, it makes no difference to me, there are players i like on EVERY team. i just think its absurd to be happier about watching a bad player play than a really interesting one. im not saying you have to like people that play the absolute best starcraft ever, because starcraft is a spectator sport and enjoyment is not a function of skills. i guess im just a bit of a hedonist because i like watching those who bring me good games, and dont like watching those who dont Define a bad player to me ...... and what is so being absurd watching an under dog beat a better player in their game ? That's to me what is starcraft is , you may be the best these year , however will you continue to dominate so in the next year ? . I think you have totally forgotten that even Flash you called " E-sport destroyer " also has his up's and down , Recall 2010 season ? Getting knock out by classic and ssak . a bad player to me is someone like perfective. i can say without regret that id much rather watch top zergs play than him. i have nothing against underdogs winning, like i said i just like watching good starcraft. its not an issue for me who provides it. you say that starcraft is all about underdogs winning against better players, does that mean you are happy when some random non-kt player beats flash?i didnt know everyone was going to take the esports blow comment so seriously. i thought it was obvious that the sponsorship fallout was attributed to match fixing. whether flash wins or loses isnt the real issue for me. id much rather see him lose and play stacraft that appeals to my likes than see him win constantly in a way that i dont find appealing. if jangbi had've lost to fantasy it still wouldve been probably my favourite osl in recent times regardless i think we're getting sidetracked here. my problem is with people that claim to enjoy watching a team play, regardless of the players on the team, rather than actually watching good players play, regardless of the team they are on
Why not ? Hydra was suppose to be the best ZvZ player right now in proleague and yet Hoejja " complete scrub and mediocre zerg " won him ? If the non kt player won against flash through his own determination and skills , of course I will give my hat's off to him . I don't see any reason why people could not support their whole team rosters ,that's their choice and who are we to make them not to watch their players they chose to support . I thinks it's pretty subjective in nature and hard to determine.
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On December 19 2011 16:09 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 16:02 Legatus Lanius wrote:On December 19 2011 15:53 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:47 Legatus Lanius wrote:On December 19 2011 15:40 Sawamura wrote:On December 19 2011 15:35 Legatus Lanius wrote:
well, do you like EVERYONE that plays on KT above anyone that doesnt? can you honestly say that you will support even the most boring, terrible kt player even though he is terrible? its one thing to wish he would improve, and another to be an instant fan because he is paid to play by one of the two big broadband companies in korea lol
the groupie thing was a bit of a joke, mainly reactionary since you came off with this holier than thou attitude about being trve fan. if you truly like everyone's starcraft on kt, then fine. if not, then i dont know what to say. legacy and all that aside, i watch starcraft in the present, not the past Says much about your attitude , watching players who only are " Playing GODLIKE " will get your attention , players who are performing terrible gets thrown in the rubbish bin , You might as well watch individual league games only because that's where the only superior players will win and team factor will not be taken in to account . I told you I am a kt fan because of my players on the team and not one of them I have any negative impression about them , if you have read my article of my team you wouldn't have , Come up with this interesting idea of " GROUPIE MENTALITY " jokes . So what If I am attachment to my teams because of their previous line up , I have more faith in their current line up compared to the super gosu players stack players KTF had back than . its really a surprise that i like watching interesting starcraft and not uninteresting starcraft? really? my attachment to starcraft players is very superficial, and it doesnt stretch past their starcraft. i dont care about bisu's looks, or best's muscles or baby's socks. i just dont give a fuck bro, i dont turn on a stream and get excited about kt's awesome group atmosphere either. im here for the starcraft. individual league, team league, it makes no difference to me, there are players i like on EVERY team. i just think its absurd to be happier about watching a bad player play than a really interesting one. im not saying you have to like people that play the absolute best starcraft ever, because starcraft is a spectator sport and enjoyment is not a function of skills. i guess im just a bit of a hedonist because i like watching those who bring me good games, and dont like watching those who dont Define a bad player to me ...... and what is so being absurd watching an under dog beat a better player in their game ? That's to me what is starcraft is , you may be the best these year , however will you continue to dominate so in the next year ? . I think you have totally forgotten that even Flash you called " E-sport destroyer " also has his up's and down , Recall 2010 season ? Getting knock out by classic and ssak . a bad player to me is someone like perfective. i can say without regret that id much rather watch top zergs play than him. i have nothing against underdogs winning, like i said i just like watching good starcraft. its not an issue for me who provides it. you say that starcraft is all about underdogs winning against better players, does that mean you are happy when some random non-kt player beats flash?i didnt know everyone was going to take the esports blow comment so seriously. i thought it was obvious that the sponsorship fallout was attributed to match fixing. whether flash wins or loses isnt the real issue for me. id much rather see him lose and play stacraft that appeals to my likes than see him win constantly in a way that i dont find appealing. if jangbi had've lost to fantasy it still wouldve been probably my favourite osl in recent times regardless i think we're getting sidetracked here. my problem is with people that claim to enjoy watching a team play, regardless of the players on the team, rather than actually watching good players play, regardless of the team they are on Why not ? Hydra was suppose to be the best ZvZ player right now in proleague and yet Hoejja " complete scrub and mediocre zerg " won him ? If the non kt player won against flash through his own determination and skills , of course I will give my hat's off to him . I don't see any reason why people could not support their whole team rosters ,that's their choice and who are we to make them not to watch their players they chose to support . I thinks it's pretty subjective in nature and hard to determine.
maybe its because their whole roster might not be fun to watch? hoejja played very well, i have no issue with him winning a game, just dont expect me to give his entire team a blowjob simply because they all play on the same team as him
you dont get me, the best skills isnt what i enjoy watching the most otherwise id be a huge flash fan. someone else said it in another thread, that soulkey doesnt win all his zvts but his game is awesome to watch. he may lose more often than zero, but its much more fun for me to be watching him play.
if anything, the team i most actively support at the moment is team 8, since they dont even have a sponsor and mediocre results arent going to generate more interest
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stop giving fucks about what kind of a fan anyone should be.
the dude admits he was trolling with the hurting esports thing.
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On December 18 2011 15:06 GTR wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HKGrT.jpg)
who dat? dat you?
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On December 19 2011 16:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
stop giving fucks about what kind of a fan anyone should be.
the dude admits he was trolling with the hurting esports thing.
Can''t blame sawamura, his attitude pissed sawa off and then he went to argue..
And I sympathize 100% with sawamura, he took most of the words out of my mouth and mind
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dawww im so sorry some feelings were hurted. sawamura's attitude pisses me off, what now?
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