EPTso in a prepared Bo5 or something flash is probably favorite still. jaedong would do well in pickup games.
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
so in a prepared Bo5 or something flash is probably favorite still. jaedong would do well in pickup games. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On December 01 2011 12:06 DyEnasTy wrote: You are the reason this could turn into a flame fest. But because I have no desire arguing with you and getting temp banned for putting you in your place, you win. I give up. no, ur post itself begs for flaming. faulty logic in every way. since when the fuck does jaedong have confidence issues? disappoints his team to fantasy in proleague 2009 grand finals --> comes back and destroys him next week and wins his golden mouse loses to flash disappointingly in MSL --> comes back to fight flash in consecutive double starleague giving flash the biggest run for his money | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
I retract my statement about having no doubt that Flash would have won. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51129 Posts
On December 01 2011 15:27 DyEnasTy wrote: I retract my statement about having no doubt that Flash would have won. why? fact is and Jaedong said it himself he barely practiced his vT for that day, if he played Flash I don't think he would have won. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
On December 01 2011 15:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: why? fact is and Jaedong said it himself he barely practiced his vT for that day, if he played Flash I don't think he would have won. I can handle a couple of em, but anymore than that and I need assistance lol  I didnt read that interview. I was actually mostly bummed that wooki lost and didnt care too much to look for the winners interview thread if there is one. I dont see how I said anything wrong, but if it pissed people off that bad than I will keep it to myself. Doesnt mean my opinion changed. Although he did destroy Mind anyway lol. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4430 Posts
On November 29 2011 18:37 ArvickHero wrote: He barely started getting fielded in the last round or so, so yea he didn't play enough to make himself widely known .. I hope the KT transfer curse hasn't ruined him -_- Just watched the VODs, was wierd to see Baby and Wooki playing against each other. This could have just been a case of the senior man showing the rookie how it was done, I'm sure there is still some residual dominance hierarchy between the two from their FOX days. Not worried about Wooki yet, he'll be a gun don't you worry! | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
On December 01 2011 15:34 BLinD-RawR wrote: why? fact is and Jaedong said it himself he barely practiced his vT for that day, if he played Flash I don't think he would have won. You see there's a big difference between saying you think someone will win and saying that someone will win with zero doubt. One is a garauntee, the other is prediction. If you garauntee Jaedong will lose against Flash when he has 81% tvz, you are setting yourself up for ridicule. Regardless of practice, JvF is right around 50%. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
On December 02 2011 02:18 jyLee wrote: You see there's a big difference between saying you think someone will win and saying that someone will win with zero doubt. One is a garauntee, the other is prediction. If you garauntee Jaedong will lose against Flash when he has 81% tvz, you are setting yourself up for ridicule. Regardless of practice, JvF is right around 50%. You just wont drop it will you? Why do you care so much about one persons opinion enough to start throwing shit? I didnt come in here and start calling your opinion retarded or useless fanboyism. I stated my opinion and the reasons behind it while at the same time being mannered about it. You started the flaming shit. Every fanboy has absolute faith in their favorite player. | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
Killer vs CH - Good micro from both, but CH with better macro..better luck next time Killer, I still love you Jaehoon vs Flash - Long macro battle...against Flash...be prepared to lose! Flash so good, such a treat to watch Sea vs Stats - I love sea, so clutch...this game was so tense very back and forth for a while! JD vs Mind - Best game of the series! Love JD, loved this ultra-guardian play omg hahaha yes! Baby vs Wooki - Baby's timing, pushes, and drops are so beautiful to watch...just fucking beautiful its unbelievable | ||
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MaestrO_
United States591 Posts
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:42 saltywet wrote: no, ur post itself begs for flaming. faulty logic in every way. since when the fuck does jaedong have confidence issues? disappoints his team to fantasy in proleague 2009 grand finals --> comes back and destroys him next week and wins his golden mouse loses to flash disappointingly in MSL --> comes back to fight flash in consecutive double starleague giving flash the biggest run for his money While I agree with most of that, I do think there is confidence issues with JD right now. JD is no doubt the most mentally tough player I've ever seen. (Though I'm sure someone will disagree) However, JD looks to have some confidence issues that are glaringly apparent in his ZvZ and ZvP. His play is EXTREMELY rigid. Look at JD's play in ZvT. Last season he won with 7 pool, Overpool, 12 Hatch, 3 Hatch before pool --> 2 Hatch Muta, 2 Hatch Lair into 3 hatch (v Sea on Icarus), 3 hatch lurker, 2 base hive (vs Baby on CB) and stuff I'm probably forgetting. There is just a high confidence level in his ZvT that isn't present in his other match-ups. I think he is definitely struggling from a confidence standpoint right now. How many times in a row last season did we see JD 9 pool or 12 hatch in ZvZ. That's not when JD is at his best. He's best when he's confident enough in a match up to do a number of different builds on the fly. How many times have you seen JD do his fast fourth build and get thrashed by a timing push in ZvP. I think in an interview JD said he was struggling with the that match-up. JD is having confidence issues, and I think he's struggling to find his identity right now. There's been so much doubt in him in recent month's: "Is he the best Zerg?", "Is he still worthy of being the #2 player?", "Is JD beginning his slow decline?" I mean, JD said that he was worried if he could ever play BW again after the season ended; saying that he felt so pressured last season that his health was faltering. No matter how mentally tough he is, he is human, and eventually enough pressure will take a toll. What I'm hoping for this season, is that Coach Hoon will take him aside and really help him. JD hasn't had a real mentor since Cho retired, and personally I think Coach Han is partly responsible for JD's decline. Sending him on the same map constantly in PL and making Oz one of the most predictable teams last season, made it easy for teams to get favorable match ups against JD. If you go back to when Bisu was slumping hard, Coach Park gave him an extended rest and then began the slow process of rebuilding Bisu's confidence with favorable match ups. JD needs something like that now. He needs a mentor to take him aside and really work on redefining JD's game. Coach Hoon did it with players before and has shown alot of interest in bringing JD back to form, so I'm hopeful. Lol long rant and I'm sure someone will disagree, but that's my assessment on JD right now. I really want to see him be a bad ass again though D: I want the true deathstare to return >.< | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On December 01 2011 11:14 Seraphic wrote: His last vT loss was in June of this year. It's just his vZ and vP suffering. This is the most absurd way to make a point that I've ever seen. Starcraft has been essentially off the air since July of this past year! Guess what, Oov has been undefeated since december 2009! Now, onto the point -- JD's ZvT has indeed been spectacular this year. It seems like after the duel silvers he concentrated on vT to prevent that from happening again, it seems to have worked. I'm sad there wasn't a Leessangrok this match, it would have certainly been excellent. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On December 01 2011 14:02 oneofthem wrote: flash is the better player but jaedong's raw mechanical talent is appreciably higher. Why do you say that? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51129 Posts
On December 02 2011 09:52 phosphorylation wrote: Only a day or two without PL, and I am missing it already. It's kinda addicting and comforting... wait a sec while I drive you crazy. | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
Jaedong has higher apm and hand speed compared to Flash. There was an old TL thread that compared apm between Jaedong and Flash in their matchups and JD's was consistently/noticeably higher. Flash was a bonjwa, won more titles, and the better rounded player. At least thats what I think he was trying to get at. I dont really agree but its not completely wrong imo. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
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