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On November 30 2011 13:51 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:14 Kiett wrote:On November 30 2011 07:28 Seeker wrote:On November 30 2011 07:22 Lucumo wrote:On November 30 2011 06:56 Zhul wrote:
Fuck this new no ace format screwed KT so much. Jaedong would have won in the ace match anyway. -_-;;  FlaSh Yeah I heard that Jaedong guy sucked. I mean, he's only 4-1 against Flash with a vT of 81.4% this year. No way a scrub like that would be able to beat Flash. I'm confused...... I will admit, I haven't followed the BW scene as loyally as I should have. FlaSh and Jaedong have met in the OSL finals and MSL finals multiple of times. FlaSh has won more than Jaedong though. FlaSh is also considered a god. FlaSh has always been considered the better player when it comes to Jaedong vs FlaSh Why all of a sudden, are ppl saying JD will beat FlaSh. Not trying to troll here, but statistically, isn't FlaSh the stronger player?
Yes Flash is the most dominant player. No doubt.
But JD is on a 4 game winstreak against Flash, and really dominated him in each win (except maybe on Gladiator..)
Now that may have changed now that Flash is healthy, and I would NEVER count Flash as an underdog. But if anyone can beat Flash straight up, I would say JD has the best shot.
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On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D
3-0 liquibet!!! :D :D :D Believing in ACE paid off~!~
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Im not worried about this at all. Both loses were 3-2 and for some weird reason at a certain point in a season a guy or two steps up for KT (violet in 08-09, stats 09-10, hoejja and barracks to a certain extent in 10-11). As someone who has devotedly followed KT(F) since 2008 I am not concerned at all. They always, for some reason, have a hard time against ACE and you have to admit team 8 just needs their big 3 to avoid the opponents top 1 or 2 guy and they win. For some reason, KT just finds a way, look at pefective in the playoffs for example lol. Also, I think flash and bisu will have 100% winrate this season if they dont face each other.
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On November 30 2011 12:42 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 09:42 jyLee wrote:On November 30 2011 09:13 SeinGalton wrote:
According to the interviews Jaedong was pretty much winging that whole game against Mind? I thought that Guardian switch (which I actually haven't seen before - at least not throwing them in between mutas and teching to defilers and ultras) was pretty crazy but, seeing as though Mind was going valkyires (?), not something that seemed like an "on the fly" decision.
Considering the whole game, it seemed like a stroke of genius though. The maneuver JD did with the guardians attacking along the ridge whilst running his army into the front made it look like Mind couldn't have done anything but lose the shit out of that game.
KT were really good last year at picking up momentum and then riding that momentum through to the finals, I'm sure they'll pull it back. I think. Gaurdians were the only choice for jaedong to defend that push. Defilers were out of the question at that time so it was actually brilliant improvising. Just a sick game. There was no improvising. It's a common build. Guardians into Ultras has been around for a long, long time. Mostly on maps where zergs can defend 3+ bases with only one choke. One game that comes to mind would be Luxury vs Sea on Outsider. There were lots of others. But I remembered that game since I'm a Sea fan and saw that game live. You can see how strategies can be reused on maps that resemble each other.
Thanks, that makes more sense: getting the greater spire like that and morphing in guardians at the last minute doesn't seem like fixing failed attempt to get lurkers and snipe vessels until consume finishes.
I'm also intrigued by Mind's valkyries - I rarely see this too. Is it possible that Mind tried to blind counter the guardian transition by getting valkyries and delaying tanks a tad? It seemed to me he wanted to win the air war.
Anycase, I thought it was pretty batshit. As someone else mentioned earlier, it was Jaedong going, "Ok, kids, I'm a professional. Don't try this shit at home!"
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On November 30 2011 10:36 Kiett wrote:Looking at the fomos report card... I can't believe Jaedong didn't get S++++++++++++++ just for being so ballsy :<
He lost a lot of drones to the bunker rush, that's the only mistake he really made. Combined with Mind making a few unforced errors is what caused him to only get an A, I think.
On November 30 2011 20:12 SeinGalton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:42 baubo wrote:On November 30 2011 09:42 jyLee wrote:On November 30 2011 09:13 SeinGalton wrote:
According to the interviews Jaedong was pretty much winging that whole game against Mind? I thought that Guardian switch (which I actually haven't seen before - at least not throwing them in between mutas and teching to defilers and ultras) was pretty crazy but, seeing as though Mind was going valkyires (?), not something that seemed like an "on the fly" decision.
Considering the whole game, it seemed like a stroke of genius though. The maneuver JD did with the guardians attacking along the ridge whilst running his army into the front made it look like Mind couldn't have done anything but lose the shit out of that game.
KT were really good last year at picking up momentum and then riding that momentum through to the finals, I'm sure they'll pull it back. I think. Gaurdians were the only choice for jaedong to defend that push. Defilers were out of the question at that time so it was actually brilliant improvising. Just a sick game. There was no improvising. It's a common build. Guardians into Ultras has been around for a long, long time. Mostly on maps where zergs can defend 3+ bases with only one choke. One game that comes to mind would be Luxury vs Sea on Outsider. There were lots of others. But I remembered that game since I'm a Sea fan and saw that game live. You can see how strategies can be reused on maps that resemble each other. Thanks, that makes more sense: getting the greater spire like that and morphing in guardians at the last minute doesn't seem like fixing failed attempt to get lurkers and snipe vessels until consume finishes. I'm also intrigued by Mind's valkyries - I rarely see this too. Is it possible that Mind tried to blind counter the guardian transition by getting valkyries and delaying tanks a tad? It seemed to me he wanted to win the air war. Anycase, I thought it was pretty batshit. As someone else mentioned earlier, it was Jaedong going, "Ok, kids, I'm a professional. Don't try this shit at home!"
Valkyries do very little damage against +1 carapace guardians. He was trying to counter JD's mutas, since mutas are supposed to be very strong on this map. Valkyries + marines own mutas. JD just stalled like a boss and won when Mind forgot his valks for a second.
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On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D
are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting.
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I just saw the games. MY EYES WERE PURIFIED! Team 8 fighting!
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On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting.
maybe he likes all the other teams more? does it really matter?
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On November 30 2011 22:14 Legatus Lanius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. maybe he likes all the other teams more? does it really matter?
it does to me.
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On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting.
The thing is - some will come last, and wishing for KT come last is somewhat "safe", 'cos their not going to disband or something. And you know, flash and kt winning everything had become boring long time ago.
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On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting.
you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams.
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On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams.
nope.
when I cheer for my team to win I only care about my team winning,yes the other team loses but I'm not going to poke them either.
I prefer to say "I win" over "you lose", thats all and its overall a better way to look at things.
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On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. nope. when I cheer for my team to win I only care about my team winning,yes the other team loses but I'm not going to poke them either.
if what you say is true then you are pretty rare. even though cheering for your team winning is inherently cheering for someone to lose.
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On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. I prefer to say "I win" over "you lose", thats all and its overall a better way to look at things.
well that's is just your outlook, other people prefer to wish upon someone to lose - which is perfectly normal human behaviour. don't think you should have gotten so worked up over it =/
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50585 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:33 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. nope. when I cheer for my team to win I only care about my team winning,yes the other team loses but I'm not going to poke them either. if what you say is true then you are pretty rare. even though cheering for your team winning is inherently cheering for someone to lose.
true but I still ignore that fact.
then again it doesn't help me truly savor a victory like most people would.
basically my response would be typical post game interview of a progamer and how robotic it is :p
On November 30 2011 22:34 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. I prefer to say "I win" over "you lose", thats all and its overall a better way to look at things. well that's is just your outlook, other people prefer to wish upon someone to lose - which is perfectly normal human behaviour. don't think you should have gotten so worked up over it =/
would have felt the same way if someone told me that SKT should come last.
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On November 30 2011 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:33 Doraemon wrote:
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well that's is just your outlook, other people prefer to wish upon someone to lose - which is perfectly normal human behaviour. don't think you should have gotten so worked up over it =/ would have felt the same way if someone told me that SKT should come last.
haha. that is unbelievably hard to believe
ooo. post 6666 about skt coming last. something fishy there
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On November 30 2011 22:41 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 22:33 Doraemon wrote:
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well that's is just your outlook, other people prefer to wish upon someone to lose - which is perfectly normal human behaviour. don't think you should have gotten so worked up over it =/ would have felt the same way if someone told me that SKT should come last. haha. that is unbelievably hard to believe ooo. post 6666 about skt coming last. something fishy there
loool you don't have to believe it,its just the way I am,I expect everyone to do their best.
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On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. nope. when I cheer for my team to win I only care about my team winning,yes the other team loses but I'm not going to poke them either. I prefer to say "I win" over "you lose", thats all and its overall a better way to look at things.
Seeing Italians lose at soccer is one of the little things that make me so happy.
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On November 30 2011 22:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 22:28 Doraemon wrote:On November 30 2011 20:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 30 2011 10:47 Active.815 wrote:On November 30 2011 10:41 SoKHo wrote:
i'm 0-3 in liquibet, every single prediction wrong. Hopefully CJ beats Ace, so I don't fail at life. Don't worry, ace will win =D Ace first, KT last this season would be awesome :D are you fucking serious,I don't care if you hate KT but wishing for any team to come last is really insulting. you honestly going to say you've never wished team finishing last? like australia losing cricket, lakers losing nba. there will always be villains that people wish they lose in everything and KT is one of those teams. nope. when I cheer for my team to win I only care about my team winning,yes the other team loses but I'm not going to poke them either. I prefer to say "I win" over "you lose", thats all and its overall a better way to look at things. Seeing Italians lose at soccer is one of the little things that make me so happy.
same here in Australia. they hate the Italians for that Grosso tackle years ago. i am however a huge italian fan...a rare one since i'm not italian. haha
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