So,WeMade vs. KHAN then? This match is really hard to predict, especially because I usually prefer non-WeMade games.
Why is that, you may ask? Mostly because I didn't get into BW when NaDa was still around, which makes WeMade a team of boring Terrans and some so-so Zergs for me + Pure. You can imagine my surprise then, when WeMade curbstomped the unbelievable legend out of STX SouL. While Midas seems a lot weaker now, it's still the Terrans that define WeMade. Mind proved his worth a few days back by ending the OSL aspirations of Action and hero, while Baby lost a lot of his hotness by losing to FrOzen and Anyppi in the OSL and MSL, and does not have much besides impressive dropship play to back up his ace position. Roro and Shine continue to be underrated, but stable, and pure is on fire, but without much support. And the younglings? Sacsri and Lucifer have an equivalent loss streak to match the one of the young Terran Protegé Turn.
On the other hand, KHAN has felt weak against Terran, which can be attributed to the drastic drop of competence from Jangbi and the loss of Firebathero. I expect Great, Stork and Turn to take it to ACE match and Stork to win it from there.
In total, 4-3 Samsung KHAN, barring someone like Jangbi being sent out for Ace again. + Show Spoiler +
Somewhere, a KHAN fan is shouting at me so that I don't jinx his team today. Too bad for him I'm dead tired and stayed up till 3 a.m. to make this thread, and that I might be a misanthrope due to the sad state of my Liquibet already.
Winners interview! Read it here! (by the awesome infinitestory!)
HYPE:
The Slow Starters of Samsung KHAN versus The sly FOXes of WeMade!
Images from fomos.kr
Poll: Who are you cheering for?
Samsung KHAN, the dinotoss watches over it. (or possibly onepiece) (21)
78%
WeMade FOX - The team with the best cheering song should win! (6)
22%
I'm just hoping for good games. (0)
0%
27 total votes
Your vote: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): Samsung KHAN, the dinotoss watches over it. (or possibly onepiece) (Vote): WeMade FOX - The team with the best cheering song should win! (Vote): I'm just hoping for good games.
Poll: Who will win?
Samsung KHAN (15)
44%
I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button. (10)
29%
WeMade FOX (9)
26%
34 total votes
Your vote: Who will win?
(Vote): Samsung KHAN (Vote): WeMade FOX (Vote): I'm not in the mood for predictions, but I still want to press a button.
Thanks Craton, and thanks mustaju for the thread (lol @ the Khan fan shouting at you part in your predictions). Looking at the picture of KHAN I think to myself, why is their uniform so sexy? I really like it.
Stork going on the offensive yet again, some goons duking it out in the middle, with Pure forced to retreat back to his nat. Pure loses an obs as well.
Both players with new shuttle/reavers.
Stork getting ready for another push on the nat. Drops the reaver from behind, but a dud scarab misses the probes as they run to safety.
Stork decides to pull his forces back, brings them by his base again.
If pure had managed to lose that game after failing an attack with about 18 more dragoons than stork (and equivalent numbers of zealot/archon) I would have laughed so hard. As it is, though, no one can mess up that badly...
Actually as I say that I remember movie vs kal recently where movie had an equivalent advantage and didn't attack, lol...
On November 09 2010 13:25 Fenrax wrote: Still, this game looks over. Poor Stork. He's too aggressive and greedy recently.
His problem is that he's NEITHER being greedy NOR aggressive... always going so standard (gate -> core -> robo) and letting his opponents expand first. Then Stork realizes he's behind in econ, tries to push but is stopped, then basically plays a losing game from there. He needs to choose either more aggression or more greed...
On November 09 2010 13:31 Lightwip wrote: Both played pretty well, but Stork couldn't overcome his early disadvantage after his failed attempt to end the game.
I don't think so, I think he overcame it quite well when he sandwiched Pure's army and destroyed it (when Pure attacked the nat).
Stork's real loss came from his attack on 2, which took out the expo but cost him his entire army, while Pure didn't lose much. After that Pure had an army advantage which he pressed on and stayed aggressive till he wore Stork down.
That was a ridiculously bad decision by Reality. He had this game in the bag, now he lost his advantage.
Anyway, reality still getting harassed by mutas in the main, losing scvs and marines. Reality repairing his turrets so mutas wont pick them off as fast.
Roro getting a ton of scv kills, but is forced to back out after losing most of the mutas.
Reality pushing on 1.5, killing 1 hydra and then the hatch.
Midas vs great. Midas needs to start winning, or FOX will have to start giving Major more play time. For that matter, FOX should consider cutting some of Mind's play time... I think he's been a liability for quite some time now.
great desperately trying to hold on with lurkers on the high ground, but midas having none of it and still going to break the nat. yay~ first vessel out
On November 09 2010 14:23 Kinky wrote: Holy crap they're having a commercial about that blind guy that Boxer played a long time ago. Looks like he's playing SC2 o_o
Was that the game where Boxer pulled a dick move and lifted his starting CC? That blind guy?
Second gateway's up, Brave has two goons and a Zealot upon the map. Pushing in against bunch of marines + 2 tanks. Retreating...joined by two more goons. Kills some Marines but only has two goons left. One more goes down to tanks. Spider mines are up...Brave totally fails to destroy a mine, dragging it to him instead. Vulture in his base, picks off was that 5 probes? Robo bay now going up for Brave, and he's expanding to his nat. So is Baby.
vultures sneak around the back and rape the nat brave melts just melts sorry brave but... this was just terrible i don't lose 3 goons to kill 2 marines
Baby pushes out, seiges w/ mines. He has a lot of tanks. Brave's got a lot of Dragoons but like no Zealots. Vultures at the nat, Brave pushes into the tanks simultaneously, a lot of stuff dies on both sides, but Brave fails to break the push. Meanwhile, Vultures are killing every single one of Brave's probes practically unopposed.
Brave pushes out again with goons, get's cleaned up. Tanks and vultures pushing into the nat, Brave ggs.
On November 09 2010 14:47 Fenrax wrote: The whole game was a trainwreck. I guess better make ten lethal mistakes in one game than Hyuk Style one lethal mistake ten games in a row.
Why...in the name of Colney Hatch, is there a man in a horse mask eating a carrot? And is 'Kartrider' some kind of Korean rip-off version of Mario Kart?
On November 09 2010 14:48 Captain Peabody wrote: Why...in the name of Colney Hatch, is there a man in a horse mask eating a carrot? And is 'Kartrider' some kind of Korean rip-off version of Mario Kart?
I do not understand Korean culture.
why would you congratulate chilean miners with a GG?
Speaking of commercials and Korean games, does anyone know what Dungeon and Fighter really is? All I know is that the players dress up in ridiculous costumes. O.o
On November 09 2010 14:48 Captain Peabody wrote: Why...in the name of Colney Hatch, is there a man in a horse mask eating a carrot? And is 'Kartrider' some kind of Korean rip-off version of Mario Kart?
I do not understand Korean culture.
why would you congratulate chilean miners with a GG?
The quote is:
"For those who didn't GG to the world [and the hardships], we salute you." salute = ji ji (in Korean) so it's kind of like a pun!
Lucifer moving across the map with two Zeals. Jangbi's got two + a dragoon; Lucifer sees it and runs. Meanwhile, both players have their nat up and running, both on two gates. Both players getting a robo, Lucifer's seem to be faster though.
Jangbi builds a cannon over Lucifer's mineral line... Oh, this could be epic. Takes down Lucifer's attempted expand.
jangbi's cannon kills a probe and delays lucifer's 3rd nex cannon kills a dragoon jangbi adds 3 cannons beside lucifer's nexus lol jangbi doing good so far he's investing a ton of minerals for this still didn't stop lucifer's 3rd nex, his 3rd is slightly behind
Man, so many cannons from Jangbi...Lucifer lets the expo finish, manages to take down the cannons. Sad, really. Meanwhile, Jangbi's getting his own expo slightly later.
STORK! Lucifer's got a citadel, getting Templar Archives.
stork the boss looking over the game the blue glare on his glasses makes him even more boss jangbi gets in the back entrance of lucifer's, destroys the nexus! jangbi still has army alive lucifer finally but took a ton of damage lucifer has a DT out, looking to counter
is lucifer retarded or did he think his units on the ramp would delay long enough? he got caught on low ground pretty badly and then had to attack up a ramp, not to mention why the hell were his units at his other natural's choke in the first place?
Jangbi pushes up the ramp, kills off the Nexus. Luciver counters, but Jangbi's doing surprisingly well in the battle. Finally gets cleaned up, though, but with heavy losses on Lucifer's side.
Lucifer with Dts on the map. Jangbi has observers... Dt gets two probe kills, dies easily. Other dt can't do anything.
jangbi has his own ht's coming out, big battle is imminent! lucifer storms beautifully! jangbi returns his own storms but is insufficient, lucifer wins the big battle!
Jangbi finally getting out hts and an Archon. Has a ton of Zealots/Dragoons as well. Big battle, Lucifer's storms all over everything...but Jangbi's got Archons/storms of his own. Still, Lucifer cleans up in the end. but doesn't have all that much left.
Lucifer is way ahead in terms of army count, and is about to catch up in terms of econ. Luficer also has a lot of archons. Battle at Jangbi's natural choke! BUFFER INTO MORE BATTLE
Lucifer's pushing into the nat with a ton of goons/Zealots/hts/Archons. Jangbi doesn't have much to defend with... Lucifer's pushing in hard, cleaning up the nat. Jangbi's still fighting, though. Nexus goes down, Jangbi's remaining units get slaughtered. Incoming gg... Well, Jangbi holds his main, anyway. Lucifer expands meanwhile.
jangbi lost a crucial engagement near his 3rd because he was terrible at dodging storms and his own temp tech was significantly delayed with no reavers to compensate. WHY
Think Jangbi had maybe a larger army on that engage except he did not dodge storms at all. And he badly placed his storms. He actually had a pretty good lead destroying Protoss Flash's third and then harassing it again.
And he somehow kept engaging outside of cannon range even though the battles were near his base and he had a few cannons.
On November 09 2010 15:15 ArvickHero wrote: Honestly.. I think Jangbi should either retire or go to the Airforce. His play is absolutely pathetic nowadays
Worked wonders for fbh after he slumped hardcore. When he left the bad mojo moved on to jangbi.
Well, wasn't lying about my predictions biting teams in the butt. Thought about making a hite vs. MBC thread, but feel way too tired. If anyone wants to make a LR thread, I can give you a banner.
How depressing. And Turn didn't even get to play...
Ah, well; next time, domination will no doubt ensue! KHAN has a strong base of players to work with, they just need to work on shoring up their weak points, and it will be unstoppable! UNSTOPPABLE, I tell you.
Goodnight, guys. First time I've watched BW in a while, and definitely a good time despite it all. GO SAMSUNG KHAN!
Commentators: - before the big battle, jangbi on 9 gates lucifer on 6 gates Jangbi had a bigger army but LOOK AT THOSE CRAZY STORMS his entire army melted and stream is cut T_T;; i think that was enough for Roffles. I think i had enough too.
jangbi i know its difficult to dodge storms with zealots, but could you at least spread them a little? and get some tech a bit earlier because pure goon/zeal just doesn't cut it
wow, that was depressing. Jangbi built up such a comfortable lead of both army count and econ, but then he decides he's the god of storms, and storms actually heal his units or something.
On November 09 2010 15:24 zanzib wrote: turn needs to permanently replace jangbi on the roster, it's kind of painful to see him on such a huge losing streak
jangbi needs to do whatever bisu did to get out of his slump.
On November 09 2010 15:24 zanzib wrote: turn needs to permanently replace jangbi on the roster, it's kind of painful to see him on such a huge losing streak
jangbi needs to do whatever bisu did to get out of his slump.
somebody get him a ticket to thailand.
Even Bisu never slumped this hard.. you're going to need an exorcist.
On November 09 2010 15:22 [White]NaDa wrote: so happy to have watched this
Me too, I can't wait for jangbi's next game.
This is like a rollercoaster ride, and you don't know how large of a drop is coming up.
On November 09 2010 16:07 ShadeR wrote: Yeah it's not like he beat Jaedong in an ACE match recently or anything..
Proxy 3 gate Jaedong in 1 game does not mean anything. At least not when you lose all other games you play vs low class players.
Stork is not doing very well and thats a fact!
Every fan of Stork knows that he often loses in an unspectacular fashion to mediocre players but steps up his game without fail against players of jaedong/flash caliber. Also nice try at devaluing Stork's win by infering he won with cheese and thus it "does not mean anything".
If you watch that game you might notice that he opened 10 gateway, scouted 12 hatch and then proceeded 3 additional gateways in an agressive position to punish Jaedong's greedy build. Not cheese.
Since the Ro8 in the the OSL Stork's record has been 11-7 which is a solid 61% losses coming from Jaedong in the semi final which went to a 5th set, a loss to neo.g bonjwa, flash best and bacho. Include todays loss of Pure and that makes him 11 - 8 which is still a good 58%.
lol...switching to sc2... Stork is way above that. sc2 is for washed up legends like Boxer, Nada, Intotherainbow and July as well as younger progamers with <50% winrates eg: tester, cool, Foxer(o% he never played a game), mvp, zergbong etc. who found proBW too difficult.
I don't want to decrease Stork's power and importance of his ace win, but he now isn't doing too well that's a fact.
On the other hand, Jaedong and Flash too, play not too well yet. -___- Maybe the only one who is truly good now is Bisu, but lets see what it will be all like when it comes to deciding stages of OSL / MSL
And Zergs, please please please forget about 12 hatch -____-
Well, Jaedong's two losses may have been because of trying new strats and not getting used to map (and not yet dead legend about 12 hatch being a safe build. T_T BTW if 12 hatch why not backdoor? T_T . And then block with drone, so that probe doesn't get in. Ok I'll need to create topic possibly for discussion of this. I might have got an idea)
Sure I give you that Storks win vs Jaedong was not chees, and it was smart play from Stork. But he wont pull that off 3 times in a bo5.
Even if stork step up when he plays Flash and Jaedong he need to be more consistent when he plays more standard players. Stork is in shape to go up against JD and flahs in a bo5 but he wont get there unless he can stop slumping when he plays guys like Pure and Best. Even though they are good.
^ I'm the biggest JD fanboy out there, but I can't believe JD would go for a greedy build vs. stork on a toss-favored map after seeing Stork lose to BACKHO because backho went high-eco. Stork was in no mood to be out-eco'd that game, and he threw down the gates once he had full information on JD's build. Stork outplayed JD fair and square.
Even though Stork's been losing a lot recently, I do think he still has the "S-class" spark necessary to advance far in individual leagues.
The good thing for Stork is that he made it to the semi in OSL. That way he dont have to do those scary group stages. For a guy like Stork the biggest risk is when you bo1 2 players. Its so easy to lose in the same way he often do in SPL.
In a bo3 and bo5 however Stork is a much much stronger player, and not so easy to beat.
MSL on the other hand I think he will fail.
Though I am not really 100% sure how the format is and when Stork steps into the OSL.
But JD did go greedy -___- And if Stork now has bad macro, then the build with 12 hatch and drone blocking entrance (see my topic in the strategy forum) would make perfect sense... Then JD could just have outmacroed him, with hydra/scourge/muta/drops (these 4 bases of P are not REALLY so easy to defend i suppose).
So here zvp strategy must be based on early 4 bases + drop harass + denying protoss' 4th (may it be back-backdoor or natural.
-sorry for off-topic, that should go into my topic in strategy section-
amazing that jangbi makes the lineup. i mean, the guy was probably top 5 1.5 years ago and since the triple silver didn't do anything. on the other hand, it's KHAN t.t i wonder if he makes it out of his MSL group ... lol
On November 09 2010 23:29 Djin)ftw( wrote: amazing that jangbi makes the lineup. i mean, the guy was probably top 5 1.5 years ago and since the triple silver didn't do anything. on the other hand, it's KHAN t.t i wonder if he makes it out of his MSL group ... lol
Once lauded as the one with the most solid mechanics in the 6 dragons. I honestly can't think of anybody else who has fallen as far as jangbi. Luxury? maybe but he started throwing games... I'd say Mind and ForGG come close as to how far they've fallen from their prime but if you think about it they don't even come close as their fairly dependable A-teamers now. Jangbi on the other hand after his prime fell into mediocrity in the 09-10 season and is in this gawd awfull hole that makes bisu's pale in comparaison.
You know what really really hurts? You look at Jangbi's "Current Streak: 14 losses". That hurts a bit.
But then you look at his full TLPD page and notice he's still well over 50% in every matchup (even though he's in the most horrible slump ever), now that hurts (since you know what potential he has).
On November 09 2010 23:49 alypse wrote: Why didn't you send the amazing TurN coach January? T.T
In all fairness, Khan would still have needed one more win after Turn to get to the ace match, so sending Turn wouldn't have done that much. Who would you have January send for set 6 instead of Jangbi? Juni? Chavi? Unfortunately, Samsung was basically screwed at this point in the series.
On November 09 2010 23:49 alypse wrote: Why didn't you send the amazing TurN coach January? T.T
In all fairness, Khan would still have needed one more win after Turn to get to the ace match, so sending Turn wouldn't have done that much. Who would you have January send for set 6 instead of Jangbi? Juni? Chavi? Unfortunately, Samsung was basically screwed at this point in the series.
Not only this but i still think Jangbi must be doing at least half decent in the practice house. Because in all honesty if he's playing as bad in house as his televised games then if i were January Chavi/Juni + Turn for 5th and 6th would be a wiser bet.
Holy shit, Clam didn't even slump this hard after he got crushed by Jaedong in the MSL semis, nor did Bisu in his insanely ridiculous slump. If only Khan could afford to give Jangbi the motivational aid that Bisu got. Maybe a vacation would help him.
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