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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
July 22 2010 11:34 GMT
#841
oh, so i've noticed.

lets see :3
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 22 2010 11:34 GMT
#842
he was doing great until he was in need of swarms. either his swarms were in the wrong place or he didnt burrow his units under them
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
July 22 2010 11:36 GMT
#843
Well well, another decent morning of Starcraft.
Great play by Sea especially. YUM BO SUNG FIGHTING!
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 22 2010 11:37 GMT
#844
On July 22 2010 20:34 JohnColtrane wrote:
he was doing great until he was in need of swarms. either his swarms were in the wrong place or he didnt burrow his units under them

This is true, he wasn't swarming properly; and that's a big weakness in late game Zerg.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 22 2010 11:38 GMT
#845
On July 22 2010 20:34 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:32 Scarecrow wrote:
On July 22 2010 20:31 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
that looked like A+ vs random C guy

pretty ugly


Fantasy's turret placement and sloppy marine control didn't look A+ to me, he lost like 15 scv's to 3 hatch muta. Lucky it was hyuk

Thats exactly what I mean. Considering the fact that fantasy lost like 15 scvs early in the game..

Still takes the whole map and rapes hardcore shows a significant skill difference

His turret placement didn't save scvs, (he lost 6-8 at the most) but it's a hard thing to do on FS anyway. Instead, his turrets did a ton of damage to (Z)Hyuk's mutalisks, which really hurt Hyuk when he had the opportunity to whittle down (T)Fantasy's marine numbers.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 22 2010 11:38 GMT
#846
Fantasy should be happy about the team kill . Probably any other zerg in this tournament would have raped him .
Prototype
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 11:42:27
July 22 2010 11:40 GMT
#847
You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.

And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.
"Do we live to play, or do we play to live?"
NobleHelium
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
July 22 2010 11:40 GMT
#848
Uh, weren't these best of 3s? Why does the recommended games section only list 4 games?
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 11:41:39
July 22 2010 11:40 GMT
#849
On July 22 2010 20:40 NobleHelium wrote:
Uh, weren't these best of 3s? Why does the recommended games section only list 4 games?


Only one game took place per Bo3 today
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 22 2010 11:41 GMT
#850
On July 22 2010 20:40 NobleHelium wrote:
Uh, weren't these best of 3s? Why does the recommended games section only list 4 games?


They are separated best of 3s. The rest of the games will be played at a later date.
Remember Violet.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 22 2010 11:50 GMT
#851
On July 22 2010 20:40 Prototype wrote:
You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.

And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.


I agree. Fantasy's bio control was unusually good and his overall game plan was much better than Hyuk's.
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
July 22 2010 12:09 GMT
#852
On July 22 2010 20:50 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 20:40 Prototype wrote:
You people are deluded if you think Fantasy's play was bad that game; his army control was excellent during the middle/late game, and his biomech strategy was very solid. He had complete map control with Hyuk locked inside his bases. Only real mistake was the lack of marine support during the mutalisk attack on the natural.

And no, TvZ, in general, has not been a "bad" matchup for him during these last few weeks.


I agree. Fantasy's bio control was unusually good and his overall game plan was much better than Hyuk's.


Or maybe he just bought Hyuk some chicken last night.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 22 2010 12:55 GMT
#853
I do believe that Sea's win is the first Terran win on Polaris Rhapsody against Carriers.

(Lomo beat Stork's carriers with a marine medic rush, but that was because the attack hit before the carriers became effective.)
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 22 2010 12:59 GMT
#854
It also worked because Marine Medic completely rapes interceptors and standard carrier control.
Remember Violet.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
July 22 2010 13:09 GMT
#855
On July 22 2010 21:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It also worked because Marine Medic completely rapes interceptors and standard carrier control.


Stork only had like 5 interceptors to rape, lol.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
July 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#856
I wonder how much Bisu, Fantasy, Hyuk, and Roro are just focused on proleague playoffs? I think their mindset could've been to just freestyle this set and then focus a bit more on the last two if after this weekends matches.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 22 2010 13:33 GMT
#857
You know the interesting thing about (T)Sea's forward expansion was that not only was it easy to defend along with an easy fourth, and not only was it advanced in such a way as to put pressure on (P)Bisu's fourth, but it also came at the perfect time for Sea.

Instead of building more gateways, and maintaining the pressure on Sea after he beat down his counter-push, Bisu opted to expand and tech to carriers. This would've been fairly unremarkable if Sea had taken the expo at 6, but Bisu's lack of an army allowed Sea to take a vastly more favorable expansion.

Seems to me that protoss need to be much more careful about that, on a two player map, even one as favorable as PR, the carrier timing needs to be better supported than that.

Also, all the complaining about Bisu's carrier control is somewhat justified, but he really didn't have a choice but to attack Sea's line, at that point in the game. What we missed at that point was that if Bisu tried to pressure somewhere else, Sea could push easily to Bisu's fourth, as we saw. Bisu didn't really err in holding Sea at that position, rather Sea forced him into it. His attack was a bit opportunistic, though. Better play from Bisu would probably have been to just keep expanding at 9, and overwhelm Sea with a critical mass of carriers. Sea was playing too defensively to push out, and could only do that if Bisu moved his army away, which is what he did shortly after his failed attack.
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 22 2010 13:52 GMT
#858
On July 22 2010 21:55 matjlav wrote:
I do believe that Sea's win is the first Terran win on Polaris Rhapsody against Carriers.

(Lomo beat Stork's carriers with a marine medic rush, but that was because the attack hit before the carriers became effective.)

Flash vs kal afaik.
Rio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Vietnam598 Posts
July 22 2010 14:15 GMT
#859
Clan kill
Bisu Sheild vs Sea Sheild
Epic
What ever ---------------------------------------------------™
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 14:55:21
July 22 2010 14:54 GMT
#860
I'm so torn between Sea and Bisu.
As much as I <3 Hyuk I would be sad if Fantasy didn't take game 2 or 3.
Nothing worth having comes easy.
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