Predictions: + Show Spoiler + MBCGame HERO MBCGame HERO is a strong team, despite their recent results. The two pivotal points of the team,
Sea and
Light , have both been a little slumpish lately. But
Sea 's recent losses have all been to strong Protoss or Terran, which is reasonable.
Light on the other hand, isn't the king of winner's league that we once idolized him for. He has fallen far, but their is still that glimmer of talent that I'm sure many hope to see a return of.
MBCGame HERO , in my opinion, is a lot like
Samsung KHAN . Like a Terran version of them or something. They are a very strong team that can break out of their slump at any given moment, so you can't give them an inch of room to work with. I wouldn't say they are in as deep a slump as
Samsung KHAN is, but they are definitely aren't up to the same standard they have been the rest of this season. Expecting a comeback from them soon.
Woongjin Stars Woongjin Stars is one of the monster teams of R4.
Woongjin Stars has one of the most well-rounded rosters ATM, which makes them a deadly force. Their only weakness, much like
STX SouL , is that they don't have a strong Terran to play. But that can be overcome with strong play from their three core members:
free ,
ZerO , and
Kwanro . But another thing that makes them deceptively strong is that they have three backups who all seem to have a good amount of talent in them. Those three players are
MVP ,
GuemChi , and
Neo.G_Soulkey . In the end, what makes
Woongjin Stars scary isn't one super player, but three strong players accompanied by three strong wildcards. Which is a rare sight in these days of Starcraft.
Sea <
Grand Line >
GuemChi There are so many options on this map for
Woongjin Stars . They could play
GuemChi ,
free ,
Kwanro ,
ZerO , or even
Neo.G_Soulkey . All of them would be good choices. I went with
GuemChi because he has two recent wins versus Terran on this map, against
BaBy and
HiyA . And they have to be expecting a Terran to come out here. So I don't see
ZerO coming out even though he has also won two games against Terrans on this map. Albeit a bit less recent. I chose
Sea to show for
MBC simply because he has two wins on
Grand Line , while
Light has none. Although
MBC could send out one of their Zergs,
Saint or
HyuN , I expect to see one of their Terrans, particularly
Sea . The only problem is risking such a strong player to possible play that has been built particularly for sniping him. Oh well! Risk is what predictions are all about.
HyuN <
Judgment Day >
ZerO A lot of ZvZ's on this map, so I expect
HyuN /
Saint vs.
Kwanro /
ZerO . That is all.
Light <
Match Point >
free Game of the Night, if it doesn't go to ace match, that is. I see
Light coming out here. The question is will
Woongjin Stars send
free or
Kwanro ... Hmm... I'll go with
free because he has so many games played on the map. Even though a lot of them have been losses... a lot of those were to
Flash so they don't count! Go
free !
Han <
Fighting Spirit >
Kwanro This is where
Woongjin Stars extreme depth comes into play. They have stretched
MBC 's defenses thin, and they don't have anymore defense for this last flank.
Kwanro will take this game in dominating fashion and end it before it gets to ace match. Sorry
Han .
MBCGame HERO 1
< 3 Woongjin Stars
Cmon stars break the losing streak!
"Don't be distracted by the what if's, should'ves, and if onlys. The one thing you choose yourself - THAT is the truth of your universe." Fav T: Sea, Leta, Really Fav P: Free, Snow Fav Z: ZerO, GGplay, Jaedong, Neo.G_Soulkey
Woongjin will likely take this, but I hope we see MBC putting up a good fight. Sea/Light/Hyun/Saint, I still believe.
FREEAGLELAND 26780 Posts
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MBC will probably lose. Going to ace match against Ace to break a losing streak isn't exactly a reason for confidence.
On May 18 2010 13:55 ]343[ wrote: User is fairly, but not completely, certain User realizes he is not as cool as Megalisk and shouldn't do this
Are the mods doing this or the posters?
On May 18 2010 14:37 XinRan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 13:55 ]343[ wrote: User is fairly, but not completely, certain User realizes he is not as cool as Megalisk and shouldn't do this
Are the mods doing this or the posters?
Don't know about ]343[ but Megalisk did and got temp banned for it :[
It was stupid anyway imo =\ Stars better win this one, they showed last match that they realized they needed to stop sending out their megascrub lineups and stick to Zero/Kwanro/Free/whoever. Stars in 4.
This could be interesting.
Woot hoping for mbc 3-2 ace, common i wanna see some ace matches tonight
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Light vs Guemchi
No idea who to root for. I wish both teams could lose.
On May 18 2010 18:04 SuperArc wrote: No idea who to root for.
I wish both teams could lose.
Then root for ace if you want CJ to go up? I root for Woongjin though, KWANRO HWAITING!!
mbc terran vs stars protoss, horizontally adjacent spawns on grand line
On May 18 2010 18:06 Iplaythings wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:04 SuperArc wrote: No idea who to root for.
I wish both teams could lose.
Then root for ace if you want CJ to go up?
I root for Woongjin though, KWANRO HWAITING!!
Indeed, game differentials are important. :o Go go, take this to Ace Stars/MBC!
Light went fac cc fac uh oh. Guemchi just expanded and only has 2 gates atm.
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Here comes the push. I think Guemchi is gonna die. His units are in a good position though.
On May 18 2010 18:10 boesthius wrote: ah sorry switching to livestream, adobe is being dumb
Changing OP.
looks like light vs guemchi
obs snipe aaaand yeah... guemchi is getting raped.
ooo. held the timing push
Siege mode is done. Light is containing gumchi now. Turrets and everything. third fac is up and Light is expanding again.
Dts out for guemchi. Rofl he's getting walled in. Anyone remember when FBH did that and lost?
4 high templar for Guemchi. He's still dead as shit though, lol.
Storms kill 2 tanks. Ok now the wall is down. Now going back up. Uhhh yeah, Guemchi still dead.
Guemchi trying to take the island but Light knows since there's a freaken ebay floating above it.
at least guemchi is still mining ==
Nexus has 74 health... Guemchi still trying to break the contain, which isn't going to happen. Oshit Light trying to end it but fails lol. The contain continues.
Ok Guemchi you can gg now. You've been completely screwed for a while.
Yes, mixed up the threads Hyun vs Soulkey
On May 18 2010 18:27 moopie wrote: Up next we've got: Ruby vs Leta
Do we now? I didn't know they changed teams. ;] just givin' you the business.
tbrown unreal predictions as always
soulkey? really? what the hell happened to my zero/kwanro/free
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
On May 18 2010 18:29 o[twist] wrote: tbrown unreal predictions as always
With my luck it'll be Sea vs Free next.. freaking Terrans and Zergs always switching and stuff. One day... I will get the perfect predictions! That will be my ultimate goal.
On May 18 2010 18:31 sixfour wrote: soulkey? really? what the hell happened to my zero/kwanro/free
They are trying to prepare him for the playoffs imo.
Shit what I miss. Soulkey vs Hyun now?
On May 18 2010 18:33 De4ngus wrote: Shit what I miss. Soulkey vs Hyun now?
Yea.
Hyun going 12 pool expand and Soulkey going overgas. O_O Zergling allin from Hyun. Drones off gas.
Bye bye Soulkey. You have no clue whats about to rape you lol.
Sunken going up waay too late. Pretty unlucky.
Spire is almost done but it shouldn't matter is Hyun microes properly.
...... which he doesn't do LOL
lol hero sunken saves the day
soulkey hyun ought to win this one edit: confused players
Hyun learn2micro plz. That should have been a free win since Soulkey didn't scout shit.
Soulkey expanding now. Hyun is making mostly drones and getting his lair.
Spier going up for Hyun, He probably has more drones than Soulkey. More gas too. He can still win this easilt as long as he survives allin bs.
hyun with a drone at his minonly???
why would you expand to your minonly in zvz?????????
Hyun goes for some drone snipe with zerglings while the mutas are gone.
Soulkey has this game, well played, now Hyun is contained with a smaller muta count and soulkey can drone up while taking other gas bases.
On May 18 2010 18:41 Crunchums wrote: why would you expand to your minonly in zvz?????????
there's a gas there? oh i had them backwards
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
Because we all know how pivotal minerals are in a zvz!!!!! I suppose its in a position where he's least likely to scout it
hyun trading mutas for drones; gonna win from there
On May 18 2010 18:41 Crunchums wrote: why would you expand to your minonly in zvz?????????
Thats actually his gas expo I think lol. Anyway, Soulkey has like no drones. edit: Oh, I see what you mean.
lol hyun has 4 drones on gas in his main.
Come on Soulkey take a 3rd gas
ZvZ going longer than the TvT. lol
Soulkey has more mutas but its 2 hatch vs 3 hatch.
both players with +1 air cara
spores in zvz is the worst. hyun has a queen's nest so its going to hive or queens at the very least. and yeah hyun is getting a hive.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
4 spores at each base just cuz he can lol.
Soulkey totally does not know how to play vs spores after a muta advantage You are supposed to take mass gas expos and the other player cant do shit because you have mutal map control, and if the other player backstabs you simply kill all his mutas.
1/1 for soulkey, 0/2 for hyun
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
HIVE ok. who do i send the money to
GREATER SPIRE Hyun is going to comeback into this game because soulkey is an idiot.
my god thats a lot of mutas.
shit bro soulkey has a whole screen of mutalisks.
Greater spire lol, Did it get scouted? scourge have no esight range but idk.
On May 18 2010 18:47 Doraemon wrote: i'll pay to see hive
hyun has it already
defiler mound; probably for plague
O_O defilers too. Niiiiceeee.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
why the hell did hyun attack?
What the fuck Hyun. You have spores. Fight over those instead of the middle of nowhere.
HUGE BATTLE SOUKEY RETREATS Hyun has this game with his hive tech as long as he defends for 2 more minutes
Devourers, this game is hilarious
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
On May 18 2010 18:50 De4ngus wrote: What the fuck Hyun. You have spores. Fight over those instead of the middle of nowhere.
especially when you have like over five in your main base.
this zvz went from fail to win
Soulkey gets his 3rd now...
Muta devourer rapes pure muta so bad. Those acid spores are sick at making the left over muta hits so much stronger, lets not forget the slow effect.
Wow, Devourers make a huuge difference. That was pretty cool. Hyun still lost the battle though.
hyun ling counters which saves his ass but a sunken stops it from doing too much damage
Devouver are chubby.
On May 18 2010 18:51 samachking wrote: Soulkey gets his 3rd now...
had^^
hyun trading mutas for drones soulkey tried to take a 3rd at 3but it died to lings
So much for Soulkey's 3rd. defiler out for hyun... gets sniped by lings :/
Wow really careless letting defiler die so easily.
hehe Cute devourer snipe while it was trying to cast plague, Soulkey played like an idiot this game, deserved to lose after not getting a 3rd with that huge muta advantage.
On May 18 2010 18:33 sashkata wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:31 sixfour wrote: soulkey? really? what the hell happened to my zero/kwanro/free
They are trying to prepare him for the playoffs imo.
What playoffs? With a record of 3-6 and barely in top6 Stars must do everything they can to even get into playoffs.
Soulkey needs more lings...
On May 18 2010 18:52 Doraemon wrote: what is the longest zvz?
this game isn't close to being it yet
Killing the spore at the worst time, lol.
soulkey is done for; he's lost too many drones
On May 18 2010 18:54 Crunchums wrote: this game isn't close to being it yet
ya. i just wanna know which game is the longest
Soulkey is completely screwed. 3 drones lol.
All of soulkey's drones dead. Hyun has devourers, this game is over.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
what a fail game from soulkey
On May 18 2010 18:55 Doraemon wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:54 Crunchums wrote: On May 18 2010 18:52 Doraemon wrote: what is the longest zvz?
this game isn't close to being it yet
ya. i just wanna know which game is the longest
GGPlay vs Yellow. I don't know the maps name. That was Long!
How is Soulkey still in this? he's barely got any drones.
Devourers are so sick ZvZ. It's refreshing to see a ZvZ reach hive tech once in a while. Hey? Maybe Hyun planned quick min only all along to support quick devourers ;P.
GG Devourers are pretty cool.
great way to throw off a game soul key...
well, turned out to be an interesting game given that hyun might have won with just lings
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Geezus... Why didn't he take over initiative when Hyun has taken the deeply defensive position and over invested in static defence?
Yeah GG! Sea for the coup de grace
No one had the time to see the ceremony before it ended.
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
On May 18 2010 18:55 sashkata wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:55 Doraemon wrote: On May 18 2010 18:54 Crunchums wrote: On May 18 2010 18:52 Doraemon wrote: what is the longest zvz?
this game isn't close to being it yet
ya. i just wanna know which game is the longest
GGPlay vs Yellow. I don't know the maps name. That was Long!
815
On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
On May 18 2010 18:59 samachking wrote: On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
Stork vs Bisu probably lol (the GOMS2 series)
On May 18 2010 18:59 samachking wrote: On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
kal against movie on match point.
who was that player with huyn in the ceremony? some game rigger ? XD
On May 18 2010 19:01 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:59 samachking wrote: On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
Stork vs Bisu probably lol (the GOMS2 series)
Ohh I need to see this. :O
On May 18 2010 19:05 Corrupt wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 19:01 Plexa wrote: On May 18 2010 18:59 samachking wrote: On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
Stork vs Bisu probably lol (the GOMS2 series)
Ohh I need to see this. :O
You should, once of the best series ever, however, in hind sight goon range ruins watching one of the games
On May 18 2010 19:07 Crunchums wrote: peace
who? oO
On May 18 2010 19:01 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2010 18:59 samachking wrote: On the other hand, when is the last time a PvP reached arb tech?
Stork vs Bisu probably lol (the GOMS2 series)
stork vs jangbi when they played a bo5 was more recent
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
Stork vs Bisu is the most memorable though!!
Peace with a BO advantage. Hope we don't get 3:0-ed
Peace has the eco lead with the BO.
On May 18 2010 19:12 SuperArc wrote: Peace has the eco lead with the BO.
Not anymore though. Zero played more greedy and spammed more drones.\ Idle drone from peace
Lol idle drone from peace.
peace with an idle drone!
lol, drone pretending to be mining
drone look like it mining but it is not rofl
Peace trying to be sexy loses a muta.
Peace is not microing very well this game...
did peace just shoot his own hatchery?
haha mismicro from Peace, he attacks hat instead of scourge, he also ate 2 scourge directly beforehand. I guess nerves are getting into him.
LOL wtf peace. pretends to save the ovie but just lets it die instead.
Cute Muta vs Muta to kill ovie battle. Zero snipes the ovie.
Peace is bad. He couldve crushed Zero's mutas there by chasing them down after Zero missed a fire there once.
On May 18 2010 19:15 samachking wrote: haha mismicro from Peace, he attacks hat instead of scourge, he also ate 2 scourge directly beforehand. I guess nerves are getting into him.
He was trying to bounce hit the scourge by attacking his hatch, cause he had only 1 muta.
How the hell did zero lose that.
not looking good for zero
Peace has this game, Zero made way too many useless scourge, and Peace's muta groups is much larger now
zero's zvz is far from his peak
peace with carapace advantage
LOL Peace eats a faceful of scourge.
Boggling at how zero managed to lose this...
Gone are the days where Zero with mutas = gg... Zergs nowadays have such sick muta micro.
ggeeeeeee 3-0 nice games mbc
Peace eats half of the scourge and still comes ahead because his muta group is alot larger.
zero ggs, coach ha jumps from his seat and claps
zero gg's papa bear celebrates!
Oh dang the coach is hella happy. Jumps up from his seat. 3-0. GG
what are those annoying noises???
Another ZvZ lost by Zero.. :\
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
MBC just got the 99 curse we're backkkkkkk (Coach Ha's 100th win was vs Ace, before that he was stuck on 99 for 6 matches - this is win #101)
In the battle of the fail teams of R4 MBC clearly comes out as the victor. Are Stars going to miss playoffs once again?
How come Zero sucks so badly at ZvZ?
I guess the +1 carapace really saved Peace.
On May 18 2010 19:00 Doraemon wrote: cheers. 43 minutes? lol
This one is a bit longer(and a pimpest play).VIDEO
On May 18 2010 19:22 Lann555 wrote: How come Zero sucks so badly at ZvZ?
Well he never really sucked at them. He just always lost them because 80% of zergs all-in ling rushed him because back in the days Zero with mutas = gg. But nowadays even Zero's muta micro sucks. No idea why.
On May 18 2010 19:22 Lann555 wrote: How come Zero sucks so badly at ZvZ?
everyone has really decent mutalisk micro now and zero is pathetic in clutch situations.
On May 18 2010 17:32 J1.au wrote: This could be interesting.
I was wrong.
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I thought Kwanro is in good shape lately ... they should use him more.
On May 18 2010 19:34 GTR wrote: wtf is with woongjin
i know eh, they look so muss on paper. really wasnt expecting a 0-3 :C
Yeah, I haven't seen Kwanro very often recently
noooo soulkey stars is getting raped this round, geez
Aotearoa 39261 Posts
Yea but this game wasn't broadcast there have probably been even longer replays of ZvZ, but there are no vods longer than the yellow/ggplay game.
FREEAGLELAND 26780 Posts
whats with the lack of kwanro? is he "on the list"? does he share his talent with effort so that only 1 at a time can be good?
wow.. clean sweep oh man. c'mon stars
I could have made a better series than this by dumping my ass all over the floor.