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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 01 2010 11:21 GMT
#1861
On January 01 2010 20:19 prototype. wrote:
wow, i can't believe the ppl saying 3rd set was the best game

all flash did was turtle with 40 tanks and sniped everything the zerg had with 2 groups of marines and 10 vessels

LOL I'm gonna assume this comment is what it is because you were rooting for Clam.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
January 01 2010 11:21 GMT
#1862
calm should have carried his defilers in ols
ggaemo fan
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1863
Guardians and Queens wouldn't have done anything, too many MnM still wandering around.

Calm should've persisted with the dropping.
TranslatorBaa!
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1864
On January 01 2010 20:18 On_Slaught wrote:
How did Flash have so much gas.

Honest to fucking god, he must of lost 40 vessels that game yet he kept pumping them out. Plus another 30 tanks.


Calm probably lost equal numbers of ultras and defilers, plus he didn't use his scourge efficiently. Yu do realize that when you make 12 scourge and only take out 2 vessels you only break even on gas...
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1865
The Korean commentators pointed out that guardians with mutas were the thing to break Flash's tankdefense, but that there were not enough resources at that time to make the transition succesfully. By the time Flash had established his defense Calm was basically forced to commit to the Ultra/Ling.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1866
How long was that game?


38 minutes I believe
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1867
Unless one of you guys bring out a better way flash could've played

please stop saying he turtled

Enlighten me

What could flash have done?

Lose?
dats racist
Faranth
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
933 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1868
--- Nuked ---
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1869
ROFL @ turrets on x16
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1870
OGN is giving me an error, what is this?
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1871
On January 01 2010 20:20 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:18 Highways wrote:
Good game?? LOOOOOOLLLLL

That was some massive turtling going on.


No not at all.

Flash took down how many of Calm's expos? There were so many I can't even remember, and on top of that he had map control the whole game.


Not quite the whole game - calm got map control off of 4 base defiler and then flash used that opportunity to take the whole bottom of the map. With T's defense advantage + flash's playing, flash was able to wait without map control until he regained it through his basecount advantage
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1872
Also yeah, btw guys there's absolutely no fucking way to ever beat 5 gas Defiler Ultraling as T besides getting a lot of tanks. Period. Flash had NO option, no other terran could ever win any other way.

ps: He didn't use mines because he was still utilizing MnM to defend and mine drags are too great a threat with that many fast units.
Remember Violet.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1873
On January 01 2010 20:21 valaki wrote:
calm should have carried his defilers in ols


Units in overlords still take damage from irra.
Hi.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1874
On January 01 2010 20:21 valaki wrote:
calm should have carried his defilers in ols


Yes, that should definitely have happened. Clam's intent to push 7 o'clock was deflected three times because defilers died before getting there.

All-in-all, Clam didn't have a late-late-game strategy, and only a late-game strategy.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 01 2010 11:22 GMT
#1875
On January 01 2010 20:22 MrHoon wrote:
Unless one of you guys bring out a better way flash could've played

please stop saying he turtled

Enlighten me

What could flash have done?

Lose?

YEAH FLASH SHOULD HAVE A MOVED ALL HIS TANKS TO CALMS MAIN JUST TO LOSE THEM ON THE WAY THERE TO 24 ULTRAS UNDER DS
YEEE LETS BLAME FLASH FOR WINNING HIS GAME AND DELIVERING US EPIC 35MIN TVZ
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
lavion
Profile Joined September 2009
Singapore286 Posts
January 01 2010 11:23 GMT
#1876
you guys are talking as if calm has unlimited gas to build guardians mutas scourge queens ultras defilers in one go
Flash for bonjwa
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
January 01 2010 11:23 GMT
#1877
On January 01 2010 20:22 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2010 20:21 valaki wrote:
calm should have carried his defilers in ols


Units in overlords still take damage from irra.


The point is that you can't irradiate a Defiler that's inside an ovie, so you can pop them out where you need them instead of walking and dying.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7012 Posts
January 01 2010 11:23 GMT
#1878
On January 01 2010 20:22 MrHoon wrote:
Unless one of you guys bring out a better way flash could've played

please stop saying he turtled

Enlighten me

What could flash have done?

Lose?

This, turtling was the obvious and easiest way out of the situation, risking a win there by trying some cute shit and depending on Calm fucking up is not that good of an idea imo.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 01 2010 11:23 GMT
#1879
I was surpised Flash didn't turn the game completely into a TvT with BCs, now THAT would've been epic.

:O
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 01 2010 11:23 GMT
#1880
On January 01 2010 20:22 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also yeah, btw guys there's absolutely no fucking way to ever beat 5 gas Defiler Ultraling as T besides getting a lot of tanks. Period. Flash had NO option, no other terran could ever win any other way.

ps: He didn't use mines because he was still utilizing MnM to defend and mine drags are too great a threat with that many fast units.


in a completely different era, you could go mass sci vessels. That being said, mass tanks are the only way in modern play
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