For whatever reason i believe this is how the games will unfold, Bisu and fantasy should roll through their players same with Hogil, leta will pull of some cheese (hopefully) so it can go to ace where and epic game of Hogil vs Bisu happens with hogil comming out on top
Oooh fantasy vs type-b! I want to see more of fantasy's bionic play. This should go 3-0 for SKT, but if hyuk drops his game I think Leta will be able to take his, simply because I never lost faith in Leta, but SKT will still take it in the ace.
As much as I'd love Sparkyz to take it I don't see it happening. I can definitely see fantasy dropping to type-B and *maybe* Leta if he plays a Flash-style A-game to exploit map imbalances.
If this goes to Ace I'm hoping for fantasy vs YellOw[ArnC] with YarnC taking it.
On November 30 2009 23:55 Jonvvv wrote: Bisu is playing PvP Fantasy is playing TvZ Hyuk is playing a zerg with 20% ZvZ Best is playing PvT SKT 4-0
Basically.
If Hite wanted a chance at winning, they could have tried not giving every SKT player their best matchup (ok, Fantasy's best matchup isn't TvZ, but seeing as he had only TvZ last week, and only TvZ this week, he's going to be pretty prepared for TvZ).
Guys, we need to add "Infertile Zerg" to HyuK's list of nicknames. It's the nickname commentators gave him when his larvae morphing into Muta's popped lol
Damn, i wanted to see Leta v Best =(. that map is 66% in favor of TvP tho Best beat Flash on it so whatever you want to make of that. Yeah i really dont see a situation where SKT doesnt take this tbh Oh, anyone know why Best has the white uniform? I get Boxer being special and getting his own, but Best kinda sticks out with his
On December 01 2009 04:46 Chen wrote: Damn, i wanted to see Leta v Best =(. that map is 66% in favor of TvP tho Best beat Flash on it so whatever you want to make of that. Yeah i really dont see a situation where SKT doesnt take this tbh Oh, anyone know why Best has the white uniform? I get Boxer being special and getting his own, but Best kinda sticks out with his
On December 01 2009 04:46 Chen wrote: Damn, i wanted to see Leta v Best =(. that map is 66% in favor of TvP tho Best beat Flash on it so whatever you want to make of that. Yeah i really dont see a situation where SKT doesnt take this tbh Oh, anyone know why Best has the white uniform? I get Boxer being special and getting his own, but Best kinda sticks out with his
It's a jacket :p Every SKT member has one
XD. still woulda looked cooler if Boxer was the only one that wore it.
(P)Bisu < Tornado > (P)HakSoo ...wat.. Bisu's 2 first wins were over mediocre B team P. Make it 3
(T)fantasy < Moon Glaive > (Z)type-b ohoho. Fanta beat Calm in A STRAIGHT UP GAME. no way type-b is as good as calm
(Z)Hyuk < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)HoGiL Hyuk is on a losing streak. But i think this is his time to shine. He beat jaedong on this map remember? (P)BeSt < Fighting Spirit > (T)Leta He beat Flash. What more do you want man
jesus SKT1 is pulling all stops vs HITE. 4 of their best players (Canata... > <)
(P)Bisu < Tornado > (P)HakSoo ...wat.. Bisu's 2 first wins were over mediocre B team P. Make it 3
(T)fantasy < Moon Glaive > (Z)type-b ohoho. Fanta beat Calm in A STRAIGHT UP GAME. no way type-b is as good as calm
(Z)Hyuk < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)HoGiL Hyuk is on a losing streak. But i think this is his time to shine. He beat jaedong on this map remember? (P)BeSt < Fighting Spirit > (T)Leta He beat Flash. What more do you want man
jesus SKT1 is pulling all stops vs HITE. 4 of their best players (Canata... > <)
(P)Bisu < Tornado > (P)HakSoo ...wat.. Bisu's 2 first wins were over mediocre B team P. Make it 3
(T)fantasy < Moon Glaive > (Z)type-b ohoho. Fanta beat Calm in A STRAIGHT UP GAME. no way type-b is as good as calm
(Z)Hyuk < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)HoGiL Hyuk is on a losing streak. But i think this is his time to shine. He beat jaedong on this map remember? (P)BeSt < Fighting Spirit > (T)Leta He beat Flash. What more do you want man
jesus SKT1 is pulling all stops vs HITE. 4 of their best players (Canata... > <)
Only way I see Hite taking it is if it somehow happens to get to Best/Leta and Leta somehow manages to win.
The only way that's happening is if Type-B shows us some godly Hite ZvT. Hite ZvT has always been good in the past (Yarnc, Lux), so I wouldn't count out Type-B.
Plus, as I've said before, he's a really gimmicky player, but pretty creative.
why is everyone hating on fantasy dropping his game??? its 2:13 here in san antonio, texas didnt think id still be up but i am anyways maybe i should take an hour nap before the match.
On December 01 2009 18:26 Sinedd wrote: well , with this lineup SKT should roll over with 3-0 ... but u never know what will happen ... (read Hyuk and Fantasy)
On December 01 2009 18:26 Sinedd wrote: well , with this lineup SKT should roll over with 3-0 ... but u never know what will happen ... (read Hyuk and Fantasy)
On December 01 2009 18:47 NguN wrote: what happened to the BvP? T_T
Same thing that happened to JvZ
He's still 8-2 in his last 10. -_-
srsly its ONE BO LOSS. Jaedong is dropping straight up games left and right. not really comparable. still really unexpected. at least we get to see Best-Leta now
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm, yet people are screaming "lol bisu lost pvp to haksoo, he sucks"
On December 01 2009 18:59 Holgerius wrote: Haha! Bisu lost? Amazing! XD
BO win? it happens in PvP sometimes to... he was due for a loss anyways Does anyone have the exact BO's tho? I saw 3-gate vs 1 gate tech but that doesnt explain how Haksoo got a faster expo
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm
Stork begs to differ.
Bisu 2-0'd Stork a month ago at WCG. plus he choked away a game against Movie very recently
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
On December 01 2009 18:59 Holgerius wrote: Haha! Bisu lost? Amazing! XD
BO win? it happens in PvP sometimes to... he was due for a loss anyways Does anyone have the exact BO's tho? I saw 3-gate vs 1 gate tech but that doesnt explain how Haksoo got a faster expo
Haksoo cut gas probes to get extra minerals for that Nexus. After that, I am not sure of the extra build-order but I am assuming he cut some probes in order to put more gateways. After that, Bisu was behind because he missed the timing window to attack Haksoo and Haksoo just pumped out more units and screwed Bisu over. Bisu losing that probe so early caused him.
It is something that I usually do in PvP. I get that earlier Nexus and lessen my opponent's hanbang timing by cutting probes to get more gateways.
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm
Stork begs to differ.
Bisu 2-0'd Stork a month ago at WCG. plus he choked away a game against Movie very recently
And Bisu choked away a game against Haksoo. Bisu is still No1 in PvP though.
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm
Stork begs to differ.
Storks recent results vs Bisu is awful. Also their general PvP is not even close over the last year or 2.
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm
Stork begs to differ.
Bisu's vs P ELO is over 100 points higher than Stork's. Stork was the king of PvP in 2008. Bisu's been dominating ever since his Incruit OSL loss to Stork.
haksoo blocked his ramp, so bisu ddint know what he was doing. because of this, bisu did the "safest" build in PvP, 2 gate obs into expand. haksoo , on the other hand, powered his econ for a 2nd nexus, then pumped off 3 gates and ran over bisu right before his reaver popped out.
On December 01 2009 18:52 BookTwo wrote: whoa, I go on stream to catch the fantasy match, and I see this! like Jyvblamo said, he still has a 80% winrate in his last ten matches
he's still the best PvPer atm
Stork begs to differ.
Bisu 2-0'd Stork a month ago at WCG. plus he choked away a game against Movie very recently
And Bisu choked away a game against Haksoo. Bisu is still No1 in PvP though.
On December 01 2009 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: was it someones girlfriend? why did they give that particular girl so much attention?
because whenever that camera shows the girl, the other two (jeong seo rim and nal_ra) makes fun of kingdom, saying he likes her and that they two should look good together, hence kingdom being unable to say anything lol
On December 01 2009 19:18 meeple wrote: type-b behind in eco? He went for a econ build... and he's survived so far
well its 2 base each and Type-B pulled drones. Fast spire tech and quasi-ninja third for Type-B. Fantasy doesnt have much defense, loses all his units. mutas should finish this -.-
On December 01 2009 19:21 samachking wrote: does fantasy even watch Yarnc's ZvTs? Thats the only shit he does quick lair + speed with gas before pool into mass speedlings + 2hat muta
On December 01 2009 19:21 samachking wrote: does fantasy even watch Yarnc's ZvTs? Thats the only shit he does quick lair + speed with gas before pool into mass speedlings + 2hat muta
On December 01 2009 19:21 samachking wrote: does fantasy even watch Yarnc's ZvTs? Thats the only shit he does quick lair + speed with gas before pool into mass speedlings + 2hat muta
but... this isn't yarnc...
yarnc's is his mentor and he learns from him though
I haven't really played SC in a year, but just now when they showed Fantasy 1st person there was the message "Your forces are under attack.", and I _instantly_ pressed space... ㅋㅋ Old habits die hard, I guess.
On December 01 2009 19:23 GeLaar wrote: I haven't really played SC in a year, but just now when they showed Fantasy 1st person there was the message "Your forces are under attack.", and I _instantly_ pressed space... ㅋㅋ Old habits die hard, I guess.
On December 01 2009 19:23 GeLaar wrote: I haven't really played SC in a year, but just now when they showed Fantasy 1st person there was the message "Your forces are under attack.", and I _instantly_ pressed space... ㅋㅋ Old habits die hard, I guess.
On December 01 2009 19:23 GeLaar wrote: I haven't really played SC in a year, but just now when they showed Fantasy 1st person there was the message "Your forces are under attack.", and I _instantly_ pressed space... ㅋㅋ Old habits die hard, I guess.
What does pressing space do?
Moves your screen to the spot where the unit took damage.
going MnM vs OGN zergs is just stupid when they are so clueless at playing vs mech/ pseudomech builds, playing vs Bio is the only thing they can do + vs 2portwraith
Type-B attacked those marines right at the perfect time before the reinforcements arrived. Fantasy was definitely overextended but that was an awesome play nonetheless
The most impressive part of that game was Fantasy's wraith micro lol. Tybe-B had mediocre Muta control, Fantasy had mediocre bio control, but those wraiths did alot and looked cool even tho game was far over
On December 01 2009 19:36 Uligor wrote: Game was over when he lost his initial marines to the zerglings. If the lings didn't do anything Fantasy would've won.
You cant say he would of won. The most you can say is that he wouldnt have lost in such a humiliating fashion
On December 01 2009 19:37 Chen wrote: The most impressive part of that game was Fantasy's wraith micro lol. Tybe-B had mediocre Muta control, Fantasy had mediocre bio control, but those wraiths did alot and looked cool even tho game was far over
You're underestimating Type-B's mutas- Fantasy lost quite a few SCVs. Not to mention his initial two control groups of MnM, but that was to muta-ling I guess.
IMO Type-B's third at 9 would've been raped if Fantasy had not lost his initial force to lings. He would've had a much stronger and more aggressive midgame but instead got completely locked in his base by the mutas.
On December 01 2009 19:36 Uligor wrote: Game was over when he lost his initial marines to the zerglings. If the lings didn't do anything Fantasy would've won.
You cant say he would of won. The most you can say is that he wouldnt have lost in such a humiliating fashion
Actually, I'm rather sure Fantasy would've won if those zerglings failed. Type-b was economically behind after the fake rush, I would almost say those zerglings were all-in.
On December 01 2009 19:37 Chen wrote: The most impressive part of that game was Fantasy's wraith micro lol. Tybe-B had mediocre Muta control, Fantasy had mediocre bio control, but those wraiths did alot and looked cool even tho game was far over
You're underestimating Type-B's mutas- Fantasy lost quite a few SCVs. Not to mention his initial two control groups of MnM, but that was to muta-ling I guess.
He lost SCV's cause he had like no defense. considering that Tybe-B was mediocre at best. 2 turrets+maybe 6marines to defend 2 base when those mutas first got there, plus he did some things like sac 2 mutas to damage a supply depot and kill another
On December 01 2009 19:36 Uligor wrote: Game was over when he lost his initial marines to the zerglings. If the lings didn't do anything Fantasy would've won.
You cant say he would of won. The most you can say is that he wouldnt have lost in such a humiliating fashion
Actually, I'm rather sure Fantasy would've won if those zerglings failed. Type-b was economically behind after the fake rush, I would almost say those zerglings were all-in.
C'mon Fantasy is known for flashy, non-standard play and he just got owned by a flashy non-standard build. Let's just say it was baller play by type-b and no talk about how much fantasy sucks at tvz.
On December 01 2009 19:42 oatboy wrote: C'mon Fantasy is known for flashy, non-standard play and he just got owned by a flashy non-standard build. Let's just say it was baller play by type-b and no talk about how much fantasy sucks at tvz.
Why? Fantasy does suck (if we compare him to the greats). His MnM control is mediocre.
On December 01 2009 19:36 Uligor wrote: Game was over when he lost his initial marines to the zerglings. If the lings didn't do anything Fantasy would've won.
You cant say he would of won. The most you can say is that he wouldnt have lost in such a humiliating fashion
Actually, I'm rather sure Fantasy would've won if those zerglings failed. Type-b was economically behind after the fake rush, I would almost say those zerglings were all-in.
watch Yarnc's games please
I'm not going to jump through hoops just to get a clue as to what your point is. Just spit it out.
Oh this is not looking good. It'll turn into one of those fights where one Zerg has to kill the other off within a certain time limit, while he's one expansion down...
Poll: How do you feel now? (Vote): Fantastic! Hite Fighting! (Vote): What the hell SKT.....really (Vote): .....lol (Vote): I died a little on the inside (Vote): Gasm!
On December 01 2009 19:58 Itachii wrote: What happend with Hyuk in the past months is beyond my imagination from hero to zero, and vice versa
No one understands SKT zergs, remember Thezerg had a time when he was good too.
when he had those like 4-5 wins in a row (and i will admit he looked scary) i was like wow looks like thezerg might just be the adrenaline skt needs for a zerg force.....well that short lived
Huh. Hogil is one of the worst ZvZers I've ever seen and supposedly Hyuk was the new ZvZ bonjwa. That might be a more unlikely result than HakSoo > Bisu.
On December 01 2009 23:52 Scaramanga wrote: I love how all the kt, oz and cj fanboys are like FUCK YES LOL
SKT gets a lot of hate, lol.
In retrospect, I suppose this shouldn't have been as unexpected as it was. Bisu has an MSL group in which he has to prepare all 3 matchups, and he probably just put off his PvP (hopefully he doesn't do that again). Fantasy's TvZ was shaky, and I was sort of hoping that playing exclusively TvZ for 2 weeks would help, but apparently type-b is solid enough for it not to matter. And Hyuk, is...well, Hyuk.
Just watched the VOD of Type-B vs Fantasy and it was pretty epic. It did seem kind of odd that Type-B wasn't attacking near the end after taking out Fantasy's natural, but he didn't need to force his muta/guardian force to try and out micro a MnM/Wraith force when he had four bases.
On December 02 2009 01:48 BlackMagister wrote: Just watched the VOD of Type-B vs Fantasy and it was pretty epic. It did seem kind of odd that Type-B wasn't attacking near the end after taking out Fantasy's natural, but he didn't need to force his muta/guardian force to try and out micro a MnM/Wraith force when he had four bases.
On December 02 2009 01:48 BlackMagister wrote: Just watched the VOD of Type-B vs Fantasy and it was pretty epic. It did seem kind of odd that Type-B wasn't attacking near the end after taking out Fantasy's natural, but he didn't need to force his muta/guardian force to try and out micro a MnM/Wraith force when he had four bases.
Sometimes you can just get the raw video but more and more they're having the Chinese commentator guy so I had to mute the sound for Fantasy vs Type-B.
I thought the "results" were the work of some kind of Super-Troll from the future? You mean... thats what really happened? Must have been a GAS to watch live.
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
Because it's fantasy. Did you see him kick the shit out of Calm in OSL? Then a few days later he beat calm again in the ace match (although he did lose, which forced an ace match in the first place). Calm, the guy who just won an MSL? Yeah, that guy.
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
Because it's fantasy. Did you see him kick the shit out of Calm in OSL? Then a few days later he beat calm again in the ace match (although he did lose, which forced an ace match in the first place). Calm, the guy who just won an MSL? Yeah, that guy.
Yeah the major issue with your "Fantasy owned an MSL winner" is that Calm won his MSL through playing only ZvZs. The only games he played against another race was against Terran (three games): one game against the infamous Sea and two against ForGG. If you are a halfway decent zerg, you should be winning against these two considering how bad ForGG is right now and how badly Sea always does in individual leagues.
Recent games are showing that Calm isn't anywhere near the level Jaedong or Effort are in all three respective matchups and those two are the guys that should be winning the MSLs and OSLs. His MSL games against Best and Light were bad and his OSL ZvT against Fantasy was even worse. He could possibly be slumping or maybe he, like Casy, got on a lucky one matchup road to stardom.
Which brings me back to my point. OGN zergs generally know how to deal with terrans as seen with Type B's MSL game against Fantasy and Hogil's OSL games against Flash and Mind. There should be no surprise that they can win against a terran save perhaps Flash considering how hard he's rolling everyone right now.
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
Because it's fantasy. Did you see him kick the shit out of Calm in OSL? Then a few days later he beat calm again in the ace match (although he did lose, which forced an ace match in the first place). Calm, the guy who just won an MSL? Yeah, that guy.
We are talking about the fantasy who barely keeps his TvZ stats above 50%.
On December 02 2009 09:57 DreaM)XeRO wrote: wait.. GOOD GOD WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED HERE THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS. I HAVE A FUCKING PAPER TO WRITE YOU SICK FUCKS -____- oh god
I have to write a paper too, but these results have the opposite effect for me
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
Because it's fantasy. Did you see him kick the shit out of Calm in OSL? Then a few days later he beat calm again in the ace match (although he did lose, which forced an ace match in the first place). Calm, the guy who just won an MSL? Yeah, that guy.
Uh, Calm played like shit in that ace match and in the OSL. In the OSL game he was just completely lost and in the ace match he decided to throw away a huge advantage.
On December 02 2009 02:39 Lebesgue wrote: Jesus. I thought SKT would roll over hite. Haksoo and type-b beating Bisu and Fantasy... Shocking...
What's shocking about tybe.b beating fantasy?
Yeah that's the thing I'm confused about...Type B is actually quite a good player, especially against terran. I'm not sure why people are simply writing him off.
Because it's fantasy. Did you see him kick the shit out of Calm in OSL? Then a few days later he beat calm again in the ace match (although he did lose, which forced an ace match in the first place). Calm, the guy who just won an MSL? Yeah, that guy.
Uh, Calm played like shit in that ace match and in the OSL. In the OSL game he was just completely lost and in the ace match he decided to throw away a huge advantage.
Uhh, I think most people kind of knew type B was a pretty good player from his MSL(?) performance against Leta when Leta didn't suck dick. It was when Leta was cleaning house in proleague and dismantled Lux with like 2 tanks and a wraith.
Type-B is a good player, its not too surprising of a result. Type-B is a good ZvT/ZvZ player and Fantasy hasn't been performing too well lately. Bisu losing vs a random Protoss is more of a WTF? Considering how he has been embarrassing people lately.
I was hoping to see Leta vs Best of all the matches, but Jung Laden struck again. In Fantasy vs Type-B, you would think with all those air units, Fantasy would at least get valkryies or science vessels.
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