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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
November 25 2009 11:19 GMT
#701
Calm really paid the price for waiting to morph his two Hydras at his third. If they were burrowed at the choke it would have at least cost Fantasy SOMETHING to break it.

Guess he just couldn't spare the gas? Maybe he figured Fantasy would figure he morphed (but Fantasy has scans too) given that Fantasy already scouted it. One way or another it really hurt him.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 25 2009 11:19 GMT
#702
On November 25 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:
Okay listen guys

Calm didn't do anything wrong that game.

Fantasy just played the ENTIRE game so perfectly, right from the start with the SCV scouting and 2 early overlord snipes, as well as the constant expansion scouting. His 2nd SCV scout also helped a lot by scouting what tech Calm went for, through seeing the hydralisk at the natural.

The only mistake Calm may have made was a rather slower-than-usual lurker morph at 5 (which Fantasy could have easily countered with a dropship, which was already there when Fantasy was destroying 5 o'clock).


calm's thought process:

"well this is fantasy so i should prepare for vultures and maybe a valkyrie"

"wait this is standard M&M"

"gg"
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 25 2009 11:19 GMT
#703
fantasy played perfectly and calm played bad (losing an early ovie, going for a risky 3rd after being completely scouted, etc...)

i guess this was clam playing, not calm!
BW is back
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:20:25
November 25 2009 11:20 GMT
#704
well its hard to lose when your oponnent sends his drones into your marines
Plutonium
Profile Joined November 2007
United States2217 Posts
November 25 2009 11:20 GMT
#705
I'm pretty sure Fantasy didn't lose a single marine until his drop more than halfway through the game.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:21:06
November 25 2009 11:20 GMT
#706
On November 25 2009 20:19 darktreb wrote:
Calm really paid the price for waiting to morph his two Hydras at his third. If they were burrowed at the choke it would have at least cost Fantasy SOMETHING to break it.

Guess he just couldn't spare the gas? Maybe he figured Fantasy would figure he morphed (but Fantasy has scans too) given that Fantasy already scouted it. One way or another it really hurt him.

it wouldn't have mattered, fantasy already had a dropship going towards 7
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EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#707
2 hydra no lurk no ring
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#708
seriously, there is not one thing to criticise about that game. Perfect play by fantasy from start to end.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:22:55
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#709
I feel that calm's mistake is from powering too much drone. I mean, we saw the game against JB and went, zOMG, how did he get 9999 hydras. This time, fantasy caught calm with his pants down.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51640 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:22:42
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#710
On November 25 2009 20:21 EvoChamber wrote:
2 hydra no lurk no ring


lolol
/w SK Telecom T1 Fantasy me 2sunk no ring
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#711
I'm so pissed off at Calm. That was such a disapointing performance.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 25 2009 11:21 GMT
#712
I always thought ZvT is getting mutas to stall enough time to get the gas for lurkers?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
November 25 2009 11:22 GMT
#713
maybe he should've gone standard mutas...
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33650 Posts
November 25 2009 11:22 GMT
#714
Going on to expand at five after being scouted was risky, you might blame calm for that move in retrospect. Sending out the drones to the expansion was a stupid risk, it was likely that terran was going to catch that.

In general I don't understand how he thought he was going to have enough shit to defend 5:00 in time. If his plan was to morph hydras if marines attack, then he must have known he'd need some units to come help while the eggs buy time. I think losing the drones may have messed up his timing for some macro he wanted to do around then.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
November 25 2009 11:22 GMT
#715
On November 25 2009 20:21 SuperArc wrote:
I always thought ZvT is getting mutas to stall enough time to get the gas for lurkers?


Fantasy spotted the Hydra with his SCV.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
November 25 2009 11:22 GMT
#716
On November 25 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:
Okay listen guys

Calm didn't do anything wrong that game.

Fantasy just played the ENTIRE game so perfectly, right from the start with the SCV scouting and 2 early overlord snipes, as well as the constant expansion scouting. His 2nd SCV scout also helped a lot by scouting what tech Calm went for, through seeing the hydralisk at the natural. That completely threw off Calm and made the game flow slowly into Fantasy's planned game layout. Basically, Fantasy had completely read Calm.

The only mistake Calm may have made was a rather slower-than-usual lurker morph at 5 (which Fantasy could have easily countered with a dropship, which was already there when Fantasy was destroying 5 o'clock).


... wow. If you say so.
Plutonium
Profile Joined November 2007
United States2217 Posts
November 25 2009 11:23 GMT
#717
I'm pretty sure Fantasy didn't lose a single marine until his drop more than halfway through the game.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 25 2009 11:23 GMT
#718
i mean the choice of build orders was just plain wrong
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 25 2009 11:23 GMT
#719
On November 25 2009 20:22 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 20:21 SuperArc wrote:
I always thought ZvT is getting mutas to stall enough time to get the gas for lurkers?


Fantasy spotted the Hydra with his SCV.


I know, my question is why didn't Calm go mutas?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:24:56
November 25 2009 11:23 GMT
#720
On November 25 2009 20:21 SuperArc wrote:
I always thought ZvT is getting mutas to stall enough time to get the gas for lurkers?

from what i see, Calm went den + spire into fast queen's nest, so Calm was hoping Fantasy would get turrets for mutas (because spire + den means just a small bunch of mutas into fast lurker transition). But going for quick hive, I think that delayed his lurker timing, which Fantasy scouted with his second scv
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