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[CSL+] Duke versus Georgia Tech - Page 5

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StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
November 09 2009 13:38 GMT
#81
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)
Retired BW Noob
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 09 2009 15:37 GMT
#82
ALL of the Duke guys cheated!!!!

HAXXXXXXX
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8140 Posts
November 09 2009 18:25 GMT
#83
btw in my interview i mean to say your_killer is awesome, not attackzerg LOL
Free Palestine
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 18:31:00
November 09 2009 18:25 GMT
#84
On November 08 2009 01:37 hazelynut wrote:
- Who do you think will make the finals from the West Conference, and how do you think Georgia Tech would fare against them?
▲ I haven’t really paid much attention to other divisions but I would say UT. They were great last year and it looks like they’re just as good this year, plus AttackZerg is a great guy.

WTF OZZIE
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 10 2009 03:49 GMT
#85
On November 09 2009 15:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2009 15:16 SilverskY wrote:
On November 09 2009 14:56 LeoTheLion wrote:
uhh, isn't that kind of retarded? what if people viewed stream and cheated

That's what we were worried about too.


There's always a possibility of cheating. There are things we can't stop, and I think this was definitely a matchup worth live streaming for the CSL fans. Our hope is that people are above cheating and respect themselves, their opponents, and the league enough to not resort to something like that.. It'd be the same as a hacker imo.


Yes I know, but something like delaying the stream by 15 or 30 minutes reduces the possibility of cheating by a lot, while still allowing for a stream.

Some cheating may be unintentional, i.e. the team watching in the same room as the player playing, and the sound is on. Even if the player doesn't want to cheat, he'll still hear stuff, and it's hard to ignore "OMG OMG PROXY RAX" when you hear it.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 10 2009 03:49 GMT
#86
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17010 Posts
November 10 2009 03:58 GMT
#87
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing
Moderator
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
November 10 2009 05:01 GMT
#88
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2009 15:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
On November 09 2009 15:16 SilverskY wrote:
On November 09 2009 14:56 LeoTheLion wrote:
uhh, isn't that kind of retarded? what if people viewed stream and cheated

That's what we were worried about too.


There's always a possibility of cheating. There are things we can't stop, and I think this was definitely a matchup worth live streaming for the CSL fans. Our hope is that people are above cheating and respect themselves, their opponents, and the league enough to not resort to something like that.. It'd be the same as a hacker imo.


Yes I know, but something like delaying the stream by 15 or 30 minutes reduces the possibility of cheating by a lot, while still allowing for a stream.

Some cheating may be unintentional, i.e. the team watching in the same room as the player playing, and the sound is on. Even if the player doesn't want to cheat, he'll still hear stuff, and it's hard to ignore "OMG OMG PROXY RAX" when you hear it.

a delay of like 2 or 3 minutes would probably be enough. The main problem here is actually figuring out how to delay the stream through livestream
blabberrrrr
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 10 2009 05:31 GMT
#89
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 10 2009 05:35 GMT
#90
On November 10 2009 14:01 blabber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 15:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
On November 09 2009 15:16 SilverskY wrote:
On November 09 2009 14:56 LeoTheLion wrote:
uhh, isn't that kind of retarded? what if people viewed stream and cheated

That's what we were worried about too.


There's always a possibility of cheating. There are things we can't stop, and I think this was definitely a matchup worth live streaming for the CSL fans. Our hope is that people are above cheating and respect themselves, their opponents, and the league enough to not resort to something like that.. It'd be the same as a hacker imo.


Yes I know, but something like delaying the stream by 15 or 30 minutes reduces the possibility of cheating by a lot, while still allowing for a stream.

Some cheating may be unintentional, i.e. the team watching in the same room as the player playing, and the sound is on. Even if the player doesn't want to cheat, he'll still hear stuff, and it's hard to ignore "OMG OMG PROXY RAX" when you hear it.

a delay of like 2 or 3 minutes would probably be enough. The main problem here is actually figuring out how to delay the stream through livestream


If player A takes a hidden expo, player B may never find that expo in a game. But if the commentator says "A is taking an expo at 7!!!" three minutes later B hears it and recalls to 7.

Best case scenario is if games are cast after they are completed.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 10 2009 05:36 GMT
#91
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8140 Posts
November 10 2009 06:01 GMT
#92
Leo you need learn to trust people a little more man lol
Free Palestine
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 10 2009 06:04 GMT
#93
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.

there was trust between our teams. i know how much cooler it is to watch the games live than watch delayed replays.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8140 Posts
November 10 2009 06:09 GMT
#94
On November 10 2009 15:04 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.

there was trust between our teams. i know how much cooler it is to watch the games live than watch delayed replays.


I kinda got the feeling you guys didn't trust us at all. What with cameron kicking our ob out of the match and then starting it immediately after and all....
Free Palestine
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 10 2009 06:10 GMT
#95
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.


The point is, that wasn't practical at that moment because there were already 100 people in the channel. Sure in the future it can be worked out so this is no problem, but for that time it wasn't very efficient.

Plus, people likely wouldn't cheat.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 10 2009 06:13 GMT
#96
On November 10 2009 15:09 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 15:04 OneOther wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.

there was trust between our teams. i know how much cooler it is to watch the games live than watch delayed replays.


I kinda got the feeling you guys didn't trust us at all. What with cameron kicking our ob out of the match and then starting it immediately after and all....

there was no reason to create more potential problems when you could have watched the stream, just like we were
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8140 Posts
November 10 2009 06:15 GMT
#97
On November 10 2009 15:13 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 15:09 Ideas wrote:
On November 10 2009 15:04 OneOther wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.

there was trust between our teams. i know how much cooler it is to watch the games live than watch delayed replays.


I kinda got the feeling you guys didn't trust us at all. What with cameron kicking our ob out of the match and then starting it immediately after and all....

there was no reason to create more potential problems when you could have watched the stream, just like we were


that's your opinion but it doesn't give you the right to kick our ob out without discussion
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8140 Posts
November 10 2009 06:16 GMT
#98
+ the first game was completely lag free and there was no reason to believe that the 2nd game would of been any different.
Free Palestine
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
November 10 2009 06:18 GMT
#99
The main reason why that happened was because our first CSL. We wanted to obs Nony play but one of the CSL admins stated that there were no obs allowed in any of our games.
Graphics
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 10 2009 06:21 GMT
#100
On November 10 2009 15:15 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 15:13 OneOther wrote:
On November 10 2009 15:09 Ideas wrote:
On November 10 2009 15:04 OneOther wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:36 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 10 2009 14:31 Xeris wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:58 Empyrean wrote:
On November 10 2009 12:49 LeoTheLion wrote:
On November 09 2009 22:38 StarN wrote:
I can vouch for them, none of the Duke guys cheated. (and I go to UNC :X)


I didn't say Duke or GT cheated. I'm just saying that it might be a better idea to have a delayed stream, or to even cast the reps.


I pushed for this but Xeris kept on PMSing


I pushed for people to remove the sticks from their anuses, and it worked.

In the future though, we'll coordinate these big matches so that we can get a delay. Although at the time, it'd be really annoying to 100 people on my stream to watch me sit in the channel for 20 mins waiting for a game to be played, etc.


They don't have to watch you for 20 min waiting in channel. Just say stream starts 30 minutes after the matches start. Until then just play a vod or something.

there was trust between our teams. i know how much cooler it is to watch the games live than watch delayed replays.


I kinda got the feeling you guys didn't trust us at all. What with cameron kicking our ob out of the match and then starting it immediately after and all....

there was no reason to create more potential problems when you could have watched the stream, just like we were


that's your opinion but it doesn't give you the right to kick our ob out without discussion

are you actually still bitching about that? the player didn't want obs and he asked about five times to leave politely (actually kicked him once). he came back and wouldn't even respond to the player. if there's a stream, which already creates possibilities of cheating, we are not going to an obs in when the player doesn't want it. and how does first game being lagless mean the second game will be the same? it's two different players lol. and there was no obs in the first game either besides duran.
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