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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 28 2009 01:35 GMT
#181
On October 28 2009 10:13 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 10:09 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Crap, I have Hyuk, Effort, Fantasy, and Skyhigh on FPL ._.


It is a win win situation, isn't it? You don't lose any points for a player losing a match.

Unless you have one of them in your anti?

Yeah no matter what happens you get at least 6 points. Although i guess its kinda bad in that 1/2 of your top 4 players are going to lose. So good in that you know you're getting at least a certain amount, bad in that your max is capped pretty low.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 01:36:51
October 28 2009 01:36 GMT
#182
On October 28 2009 10:12 TheYango wrote:
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On October 28 2009 09:56 3 Lions wrote:
winning 40% of the time is not very favorable

edit: I don't think Hyuk is a "huge" underdog, but he is definitely an underdog against Effort.

No one's saying he isn't the underdog. That much is obvious. But there are people who are treating that match like Effort winning is a foregone conclusion when 1) Hyuk has been playing well lately and 2) ZvZ is quite possibly the most volatile matchup in the game.

EDIT:

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 09:10 fusionsdf wrote:
never said its impossible. Just some SKT fans have unrealistic expectations and are treating hyuk like he has equal/better chances than effort.

Which is, of course, ridiculous. Hyuk, win or lose, is the big underdog.

It seems that most likely, both sides are actually in agreement, but are arguing at a position that neither side holds.


there are people on this very page arguing that hyuk is the favorite against effort...last page now

hyuk has a had a couple (literally a couple) impressive zvz victories lately. People shouldn't get ahead of themselves. I personally think hyuk is 30/70 underdog
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
October 28 2009 01:43 GMT
#183
Hyuk I BELIEVE!
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 01:49:40
October 28 2009 01:48 GMT
#184
On October 28 2009 10:36 fusionsdf wrote:
there are people on this very page arguing that hyuk is the favorite against effort...last page now

hyuk has a had a couple (literally a couple) impressive zvz victories lately. People shouldn't get ahead of themselves. I personally think hyuk is 30/70 underdog

Likewise, people are saying that Hyuk can basically be counted out entirely.

I'd give the match 40/60, but given that these percentages are not an exact science to begin with, it's sort of splitting hairs.

EDIT: I see no one on the last page that's explicitly saying Hyuk's the favorite. Quote me?
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:01:19
October 28 2009 02:00 GMT
#185
On October 28 2009 10:35 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 10:13 dukethegold wrote:
On October 28 2009 10:09 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Crap, I have Hyuk, Effort, Fantasy, and Skyhigh on FPL ._.


It is a win win situation, isn't it? You don't lose any points for a player losing a match.

Unless you have one of them in your anti?

Yeah no matter what happens you get at least 6 points. Although i guess its kinda bad in that 1/2 of your top 4 players are going to lose. So good in that you know you're getting at least a certain amount, bad in that your max is capped pretty low.


Yep, I'm 3rd in FPL right now and it kind of sucks that 2 of my players will definitely lose today. And if Hyuk wins, well, Effort's (possibility of a 6-win-)streak dies too (although I get streak breaking points).

edit: HYUK IS THE FAVOURITE
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 28 2009 02:03 GMT
#186
HYUK POWER
Peace~
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:11:23
October 28 2009 02:06 GMT
#187
(P)(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)(Z)Hydra
(Z)(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)(Z)EffOrt
(P)(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)(P)Snow
(T)(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)(T)sKyHigh
Closer: < Tornado >

3-1 SKT:CJ
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:35:22
October 28 2009 02:08 GMT
#188
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)Hydra
+0 Points

(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)sKyHigh
+0 Points

(P)Bisu < Tornado> (T)sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score (Nevermid, I don't get these 4 Points)
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +13 points if it goes according to my wishes?
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
October 28 2009 02:10 GMT
#189
I'm going to cheer for cj after reading the interview. Go CJ!
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:13:05
October 28 2009 02:12 GMT
#190
On October 28 2009 11:08 kOre wrote:
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)Hydra
+0 Points

(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)sKyHigh
+0 Points

(P)Bisu < Tornado> (T)sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +17 points if it goes according to my wishes?


Why would you get +4 for SKT winning?
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 28 2009 02:14 GMT
#191
On October 28 2009 11:08 kOre wrote:
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)Hydra
+0 Points

(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)sKyHigh
+0 Points

(P)Bisu < Tornado> (T)sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +17 points if it goes according to my wishes?

Dont you have CJ entus? how do you then get +4 points for SKT winning 3-2? and iirc a win in a normal game is +2 not +1.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
October 28 2009 02:18 GMT
#192
T1 3-0 CJ

No bias...
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:34:42
October 28 2009 02:19 GMT
#193
several things are wrong

you get 1 point for line up, 2 points for winning (ace included)

team wins give you 1 point per player on your team

3-2ing gives you 4 points from your team.

edit:

the best outcome is
Hydra
Hyuk
Bisu
Skyhigh
Hyuk (+1 streak bonus)

this gives:
Hyuk: +2 set win, +2 ace win, +1 team win, +1 streak, +1 streak break, +2 ace match appearance, +1 line up appearance = 10
Bisu: +2 set win, +1 set appearance, +1 team win = 4
Iris: None
CJ: +1 for going 2-3

Edit: forgot about hyuks streak break, that's another point for hyuk.

AND forgot bisu gets 2 points for a 6 game win streak, oops. so bisu in ace gives 16, hyuk in ace gives 15.

someone check though, this might be wrong I have better shit to do like study for econ :/


vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
October 28 2009 02:36 GMT
#194
C'mon CJ, kick my birthday off in style! Because mafia sure as hell didn't....
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 28 2009 02:49 GMT
#195
On October 28 2009 11:36 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
C'mon CJ, kick my birthday off in style! Because mafia sure as hell didn't....


Happy birthday bud!
(hope this helps a little)
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
October 28 2009 02:58 GMT
#196
BeSt will be losing until STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM x 10000000000000.

SKT1 3-0. Hyuk will keep on winning to spite everyone who thinks they know who the best Zerg is.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 28 2009 03:19 GMT
#197
Hopefully I will be streaming this at

http://www.livestream.com/quickstriker

Could change to OGN at my discretion though, so be warned.

Casting in english, quickstriker will not be present.
RIP Aaliyah
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 28 2009 03:21 GMT
#198
On October 28 2009 11:08 kOre wrote:
Anyone know what results would get me the most points because I'm still not 100% sure how the point system works.

1. I have Bisu, Hyuk, Iris, and CJ Entus on my FPL.
2. Bisu currently has a 4 game win streak.
3. Hyuk has a 1 game win streak.
4. EffOrt has a 4 game win streak.
5. sKyHigh has a 2 game win streak.

So I think this is what I want?

(P)BeSt < Outsider SE > (Z)Hydra
+0 Points

(Z)Hyuk < Moon Glaive > (Z)EffOrt
+1 Points for Hyuk winning
+1 Points for Hyuk breaking EffOrt's 4 game win streak

(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)Snow
+1 Points for Bisu winning

(T)fantasy < Fighting Spirit > (T)sKyHigh
+0 Points

(P)Bisu < Tornado> (T)sKyHigh
+2 Points for Bisu's 6 game win streak
+1 Points for Bisu breaking sKyHigh's 3 game win streak
+4 Points for Bisu winning Ace Match
+1 Points for CJ's 2-3 score
+4 Points for SKT's 3-2 score (Nevermid, I don't get these 4 Points)
+1 Points for Bisu being on SKT
+1 Points for HyuK being on SKT

So a grand total of +13 points if it goes according to my wishes?

You'd want Iris to come out and win ACE.
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
October 28 2009 03:28 GMT
#199
SKT T1 is serious, Boxer isn't in the line up

GO CJ!
Xellos <3
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
October 28 2009 03:29 GMT
#200
On October 28 2009 11:36 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
C'mon CJ, kick my birthday off in style! Because mafia sure as hell didn't....


Happy Birthday!
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