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On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
1.his muta micro isnt that good
2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning
3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins
i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap
Sick muta micro/harass is when ur mutas keep the terran in his base and allows you to get hive tech up before he even starts science facility let alone finish starport like with skyhigh, I have never seen a current pro game where someone else did the kind of thing Shine did successfully. I fail to see how his build is all in. I think of all in as 4, 5 pool, 2hatch muta and lurker( win the game right there or die). Even if he lost his guards and mutas, he had hive tech up and could easily gone to defilers as the terran shouldnt have any tanks after all that zerg air assault.
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On October 25 2009 06:17 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:
1.his muta micro isnt that good
2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning
3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins
i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap Sick muta micro/harass is when ur mutas keep the terran in his base and allows you to get hive tech up before he even starts science facility let alone finish starport like with skyhigh, I have never seen a current pro game where someone else did the kind of thing Shine did successfully. I fail to see how his build is all in. I think of all in as 4, 5 pool, 2hatch muta and lurker( win the game right there or die). Even if he lost his guards and mutas, he had hive tech up and could easily gone to defilers as the terran shouldnt have any tanks after all that zerg air assault.
What?
You seem to forget that you'll be very behind in ground upgrades, ground tech, and general appropriate hatcheries for the ground unit production.
It's not as easy to transition as you imply.
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Shines muta micro against Skyhigh was sick. I'm annoyed he advanced over Violet but I can't deny he played really well
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On October 25 2009 07:25 Jayme wrote:
What?
You seem to forget that you'll be very behind in ground upgrades, ground tech, and general appropriate hatcheries for the ground unit production.
It's not as easy to transition as you imply.
You seem to forgetting that during the time your opponent(assuming around the same skill level as you) is fighting your army, harassed with zerglings, you will be sitting comfortably on 3 bases. if he does survive, he will have to rebuild some his buildings(which some WILL go down with guardians and lings), scv back up at main and natural, and rebuild army witch will be horribly reduced if not destroyed.
During all this a progamer should be able to macro up with 3 bases supporting him or even expand. By no means should his opponent, if he survives, will have that much better production, economy, or army to make the game anywhere near hopeless for the zerg.
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Awww, Violet lost... Not suporised though that Skyhigh got eliminated. He hasn't been that hot lately.
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Skyhigh's TvZ and TvP seem horrible, his TvT is sick though. Pretty disappointed in him.
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sorry if i'm being a complete idiot, but...
where can i watch the games? didn't get to stream them, anyone know where the vods are?
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On October 25 2009 09:18 magh wrote:
sorry if i'm being a complete idiot, but...
where can i watch the games? didn't get to stream them, anyone know where the vods are?
They should be in the TLPD soon if not already under VOD list or whatever. Alternatively you can go to youtube and check the account nevake for them. Alternatively-er you can go to jon747 on youtube and see if he has the games uploaded.
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VIOLET NO!!!! I gotta say Shine is on fire.. No wonder Wemade is doing so awesome (Not that I'm complaining)
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I LOVED this game. Seriously. Most fun I've ever had watching a BW-game.
This was a great game but imo it was in no way "well played". There were a lot of great tricks and good decisions but there were even more terrible decisions. And the unit control of both players (especially Violet's - except for the drops of course) was terrible at times.
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On October 25 2009 06:08 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 06:02 lone_hydra wrote:
Don't hate on Shine. 1) He's not your stereotypical mediocre zerg. Dude has his own original ZvT build and sick muta micro and dude beat Bisu.
2) Everyone's bitchin about how medicore zergs keep on advancing over more "worthy" ppl. The only arguably mediocre zergs that have advanced in the MSL had mediocre competition/slumpers. There hasnt been any other "mediocre zergs" advancing through the OSL, arguably Kwanro, but he had Jangbi to go through. 1.his muta micro isnt that good 2.3 gas guards is not an original build, its a crappy allin that depends on unlucky scanning 3.all 3 of his winning zvts in the osl/msl have been allins i dont like most of the players he's eliminated, but it pisses me off that he wins with this crap
Well if it works, it works. I thought Violet, in the long run, did more damage to himself through those drops and I was a bit disappointed when he didn't get reavers earlier to deal with that all those lurkers keeping him contained to take advantage of the amount of damage his storm drops were doing. As for Skyhigh, his m&m control against Shine was absolutely woeful, like it always is, and he got Valkyries when their usefulness, that is to deter mutalisk harrassment, was at an all time low.
Shine did pretty well but I personally think it was more of Skyhigh (awful micro and positioning of units) and Violet (throwing away units too often and rather poor use of the dark archon's ability) shooting themselves in the foot that gave Shine the circumstances to win like how he did. You may think his mutalisk micro is poor, but the fact still stands that he absolutely schooled Skyhigh with them to the point that Valkyries were out when all the mutalisks had already morphed into Guardians.
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His muta micro isn't good? I should just stop here, that's clear bias.
How is 3 gas guardians an allin? Progamers mostly opt for guardians only after their mutas have done significant damage, which is a result of--good muta micro.
What a ludicrous statement.
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Lmfao what happened here?
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