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This is my respone to Ideas' '"Why STX SouL Will Win the Proleague"
I love CJ. Two or so years ago, I was intially a Sparkyz fan. With them trading away Shine, Luxury and Spear, and relying solely on Miracle Boy Leta for their wins (even more than Hwaseung and Jaedong!), I have lost some respect for them and thus I'm now a CJ fan. Mainly due to the fact IdrA resides on that team, as well as housing some of my favourite players.
Front Row, Left to Right:  IdrA, AzAng,  Movie,  Kwanro, jjonga, Nbs, Memory, Orion
Middle Row, Left to Right: BByong, MIsO, Devil, Hydra, Style, EffOrt, Much
Back Row, Left to Right: Coach Kim, Iris, sKyHigh, Snow, DarkElf, sAviOr, Coach Na
Anyway, back onto those 5 topics.
1) Hunger
After winning the inaugural Shinhan Winners League over Hwaseung in an extremely close contest, CJ have never been more eager to take the overall title of SPL 08-09 champions. They have been previously unlucky in 2007 R2 (where they lost to Lecaf (now Hwaseung) ) and 2006 R2 (losing to MBC). The two teams they lost to would eventually win the Grand Final of that respective year.
While results show that CJ have been most dominant in the All-Kill format, their last Proleague win was the pmang cup some 4-5 years ago. This was when the likes of Nal_rA, Midas and GoRush were still on the team. With new talent replacing these greats, such as Movie, Skyhigh and Effort, they definitely have what it takes to take #1.
2) The Aces
Along with STX, CJ have arguably the most solid lineup out of all six post season teams.
CJ, unlike STX, have two top-class players they can rely on. This flexibility allows them to play around with their lineups, if needed.
2.1
There is no denying this, Effort has been the rising Zerg star of 2008-2009. After losing a match to ToSsGirL only 18 months ago, he has put in the effort (hah, puns) to improve. Because of this, he is one the hottest players at the moment. Although being eliminated from the current OSL with a 1-2 record, he is still alive in the MSL, with a nice 1-0 buffer against UpMagic. He also surprised many people by defeating Jaedong 2-0 (a result basically unheard of, especially in JZvZ) in this seasons GOM Classic. With July's somewhat sub-par ZvZ skills, Flash's mini-slump and Iris' current skill level, Effort looks to be the main contender for that trophy in GOM, who ever he faces.
CJ wanted a Zerg to replace Savior after his Bonjwa days have past, and after a couple of tough years looking at Orion and Kwanro, they have found it with Effort.
2.2
I foresaw current Terran ace Skyhigh's ability to rise up to become the next big Terran when I saw his Starchallenge game against Calm a couple of years ago. Ever since then, he has slowly gone up the ranks, and broke through with his impressive reverse all-kill against Hwaseung in the Winners League final and making it to the Round of 4 of GOM's Classic in Season 2.
Unfortunately, he has broken out of his standard form though. Uncharacteristic losses to the 'pseudo-invincible-in-July' July in GOM's Round of 8, along with failed cheesing of ZerO (twice) in the MSL, has seen him eliminated in all individual leagues for this season. Giving him the ability to concentrate purely on Proleague, will he have what it takes to overcome Leta twice this weekend? We will have to wait and see.
3) The Brains
This trio of players, sAviOr, Iris and Much, have been around CJ ever since it's take-over by the corporation itself in 2006. These three have also been the staple of the CJ lineup for the past 3 years. All three were drafted by CJ/GO themselves, and have been fed and raised in the CJ house.
While their mechanical skills may not be up to scratch as the other players, they provide the ability of helping out those with the mechanics. These three are the most important tools CJ have at their possession at this current time. Expect to see crowds go wild when Savior and Iris play.
4) Back-Up
4.1
Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy).
I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about  )
4.2
Funnily enough, Kwanro has also been around for as long as Savior, Much and Iris (he was drafted into the team at a ripe age of 14). Only recently though, he has been showing GOOD results (2-1 Flash anyone?). Because of this, he is in the first Quarter-Finals of his Major League career.
The reason why Kwanro stands out of the crowd of those other zergs is because of Style.
Style of aggression, never ending assaults. Similar to how July played his Zerg back in the day. These days, forumers will be shocked if they see a 12 hatch or even 3 hatch play from him.
4.3
I have to admit one thing here, Nbs sucks. I don't really see anything out of him that makes him a better player than Snow or even Jjonga. If CJ sent him out against Horang2 on Colosseum, then so be it. Good luck to him.
4.4
Now here is someone I am excited about. Hyped by IdrA as 'bigger than Movie', Snow has unfortunately shown two lackluster performances against Bisu and Bogus in the last two weeks. If it's nerves, fine. Lack of skill? Don't think so. Seeing replays of him makes me think that he is truly good. Lets hope that CJ send him out next week if they win against hite this weekend.
4.5
Most notable for winning PGL Season 4 over Lx last year, Orion hasn't been able to be sent out mostly because of CJ's excellent Zerg line.
If CJ want variation in their line-up, Orion is one to look for.
4.6
jjonga, Devil and Hydra have been showing good performances in both GOM and the just-finished Minor League. These three can be surprise packets in the lineup, but won't probably be shown anytime soon. Possibly next season though? Only time will tell.
5) Weaknesses
5.1 - Sniping
If teams play their players well, CJ can be easily defeated by a good line-up. Three unfavorable match-ups can end up a defeat for CJ. Fortunately, hite haven't done their homework and have sent out favourable match-ups for CJ.
5.2 - Fatigue?
It could be possible that Effort and Skyhigh may be overworked due to the two-game policy KeSPA has imposed. Nether the less, I know these guys are strong, and will overcome.
6) Final Words
CJ 화이팅!
Sorry if there are any mistakes in spelling or grammar, I just wrote this up while eating breakfast.
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9070 Posts
good morning then 
its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
I will be really surprised if CJ gets knocked out by Hite.
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+ Show Spoiler [I was stupid, see below] +On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:4.1Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy). I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about ) Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster. Edit to remove image.
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On July 15 2009 09:47 disciple wrote:good morning then its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it
Piratezerg, mustachezerg, and that other one...i forget his name lol, but he must be good ^^
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On July 15 2009 09:51 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:4.1Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy). I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about ) Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster. Edit to remove image.
http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/month_details.php?calendar_year=2009&calendar_month=7#event_1458
Line 3
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Nice read GTR, I hope CJ can pull this off =/
Also, good morning!
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On July 15 2009 09:53 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 09:51 Pyrthas wrote:On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:4.1Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy). I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about ) Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster. Edit to remove image. http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/month_details.php?calendar_year=2009&calendar_month=7#event_1458Line 3 ????? Lolol I didn't even think to check. I sure look stupid now. Edit: But now I'm curious. Does that mean he was put back on the roster, or are you allowed to use more people for the playoffs, or what?
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On July 15 2009 09:47 disciple wrote:good morning then its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it
I wanted to make one for Samsung with just a firebathero-gif, but decided against it.
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He was put back on the roster.
The only reason why CJ removed him was that he could concentrate on MSL more.
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Even if I posted that I'd be okay with STX going all the way, my heart is with CJ. I hope they take it.
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Whats with the 2 game policy? 1 player can only play up to 2 games I presume(Does that mean you can send say skyhigh to play games 1 and 2, but then can't send him for ace?)?
I can't believe Kwanro has been with CJ as long as the 3 greats. Good luck to him now. and i'm extremely glad Iris is TvTing twice against Hite. Hes ace at that match up.
cool write up also. CJ fighting!
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for that group picture
2nd row question marks are miso_lt, devil, by.hydra and the guy you have labeled as devil is by.style
3rd row ?'s are by.snow, coach na, and the guy you have labeled as coach na is coach kim
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On July 15 2009 10:18 IdrA wrote:
for that group picture
2nd row question marks are miso_lt, devil, by.hydra and the guy you have labeled as devil is by.style
3rd row ?'s are by.snow, coach na, and the guy you have labeled as coach na is coach kim
thanks, i expected you to come in and help complete the picture
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yo seriously that savior pic with him wiping his mouth looks badass
just wanted to say that
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Aw shit time for me to make one.
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Definitely cheering for CJ in this matchup. (:
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Kentor
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Those banners are sweet. Really nice writeup, I like seeing everyone's opinions on why they are routing for which specific team .
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It would be good to give more details on why you think the match ups favour CJ. I haven't been following PL closely so I'm not familiar with the Hite players' forms.
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gl CJ your gunna need it hahahaha ahhhhh hahahahahahahah ahhhhhh hahahahaahahaha (evil laugh)
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On July 15 2009 14:35 HatchetWound wrote:
gl CJ your gunna need it hahahaha ahhhhh hahahahahahahah ahhhhhh hahahahaahahaha (evil laugh)
Well, if you're saying they'll need luck vs. jaedong I'd think they'll just send out skyhigh to beat him, lol.
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i would love a fan series of these threads for each team
edit: whats the two-game policy?
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On July 15 2009 13:58 Kentor wrote:
CJ vs SKT finals gogogo
sAviOr v Oov Ace @ finals gogo!
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On July 15 2009 15:12 Twilight Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 14:35 HatchetWound wrote:
gl CJ your gunna need it hahahaha ahhhhh hahahahahahahah ahhhhhh hahahahaahahaha (evil laugh) Well, if you're saying they'll need luck vs. jaedong I'd think they'll just send out skyhigh to beat him, lol.
as long as jaedong doesnt 4 pool then yea skyhigh doesnt have a chance
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Nah, we need Savior vs. Bisu at Grand Final
Savior beats Bisu and goes on to win every game for the rest of 2009.
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On July 15 2009 15:57 T.O.P. wrote:
Nah, we need Savior vs. Bisu at Grand Final
Savior beats Bisu and goes on to win every game for the rest of 2009.
You sir, give me hope.
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Great read. Could've been a bit more biased though! CJ for the win!
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2009 - Year of the Swarm and CJ has Savior and Effort. Guess who gonna win the proleague?
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CJ ENTUSSS!!!
they got this.
especially with Bo7 maps
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SkyHigh as an S class player what?
There are 4 other terrans a head of him on the ELO. and he hasnt done so hot in the individual leagues so far.
yeah he did reverse all kill Oz, but i mean its Oz right? after jaedong (5pool rofl wtf? )easy wins huh? (not really but you know what i mean)
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On July 15 2009 21:45 StorrZerg wrote:
SkyHigh as an S class player what?
There are 4 other terrans a head of him on the ELO. and he hasnt done so hot in the individual leagues so far.
yeah he did reverse all kill Oz, but i mean its Oz right? after jaedong (5pool rofl wtf? )easy wins huh? (not really but you know what i mean)
Its okay we still got the deeper zerg lineup 
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On July 15 2009 21:45 StorrZerg wrote:
SkyHigh as an S class player what?
There are 4 other terrans a head of him on the ELO. and he hasnt done so hot in the individual leagues so far.
yeah he did reverse all kill Oz, but i mean its Oz right? after jaedong (5pool rofl wtf? )easy wins huh? (not really but you know what i mean)
Skyhigh is on the same level as Calm and Kal. strong A player
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Don't call Kwanro a backup, that man is pimp #1.
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I'm incredibly disappointed in CJ that they didn't put up Much ;___; I for one think he's still a very relevant player, even if the CJ staff seems to disagree.
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On July 15 2009 23:10 Crahptacular wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed in CJ that they didn't put up Much ;___; I for one think he's still a very relevant player, even if the CJ staff seems to disagree.
His 3-7 in his last ten suggest the CJ staff is right...
But I'm inclined to believe he would've been better than Nbs. Snow might've even been the best choice. Go figure, they know more than I do. Go CJ.
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Goddamn CJ has 7 capable players (Effort, Savior, Kwanro, Much, Movie, Iris, and Skyhigh) to play in a BO7...
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On July 15 2009 23:10 Crahptacular wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed in CJ that they didn't put up Much ;___; I for one think he's still a very relevant player, even if the CJ staff seems to disagree.
Much has a good mind for strategy. He's probably more useful not playing but helping his team mates formulate strategy.
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On July 16 2009 11:55 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 23:10 Crahptacular wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed in CJ that they didn't put up Much ;___; I for one think he's still a very relevant player, even if the CJ staff seems to disagree. Much has a good mind for strategy. He's probably more useful not playing but helping his team mates formulate strategy.
Much is most likely a mastermind along with savior and iris planing out strats for all their MU's
CJ ftw!
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So with the next round on the way it does seem like CJ has a good shot at making the finals. It's going to be really, really tough beating SKT1, but I think they have a decent chance of beating Khan and Oz.
This PL format actually doesn't just favour teams with depth, it favours teams with depth + one super duper player who has a 99% chance of winning aces.
CJ's good A class players (Iris, SkyHigh, Kwanro, maybe Movie) should be able to at least hold Khan to a draw to rely on Effort for the last ace the way they did with Hite, and those same players should be able to 4-2 Oz before Jaedong comes into play.
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GTR i always thought you were a Sparkyz fan, when did you switch to CJ?
regardless, I'm so happy they got through to the next round, especially movie winning an ace match and effort getting his revenge against yarnc in the super-ace. i don't think any team outside of SKT1 can stand up to CJ's line, it would be such a ridiculous finals match up if they faced each other, i would seriously go crazy.
that super ace match i was so on edge, holy shit
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i switched when greg joined the team a long time ago and sparkyz sold off half of it's members to ktf
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