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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1204 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-14 18:29:25
February 14 2026 18:07 GMT
#21
Some players who have qualified in the past were evidently not ready, except they made it in through the qualifiers not the ACS. ACS winners rarely won their Qualifiers finals auto-seed match.
JDON MY SOUL!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-15 11:31:37
February 15 2026 11:30 GMT
#22
How is this any different from the qualifier days? Or just a little more variance with bo1 mass bracket? Expect a lot of cheese I guess. Every PvZ is gonna be a hydra bust shitshow.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5119 Posts
February 15 2026 12:03 GMT
#23
Can't wait for ASL!
"you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen" - racebannon
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Ivory Coast857 Posts
February 16 2026 10:03 GMT
#24
you didnt get autoqualified by winning ACS, you still had to win a qualifier(just got seeded into the finals), so how does this really change anything?

I think its probably good
Diiiscoo-oh, thats where the happy people go!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1204 Posts
February 16 2026 16:50 GMT
#25
On February 16 2026 19:03 Return wrote:
you didnt get autoqualified by winning ACS, you still had to win a qualifier(just got seeded into the finals), so how does this really change anything?

I think its probably good

Last two seasons had autoqualification for winning ACS. befor that it was a finals seed. But last two seasons they also opened ACS to players who already had Ro24 qualified in the past. Before that it was exclusively for the not qualified.
JDON MY SOUL!
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
114 Posts
February 19 2026 12:41 GMT
#26
On February 14 2026 01:27 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2026 00:43 Agh wrote:
On February 13 2026 20:42 felleN wrote:
Hopefully we get some great games, a little sad this could replace us getting new faces into the tournament

Never really understood this.
Unless I'm entirely missing something if someone can't qualify they don't deserve to be there.


That is true if you have a healthy competitive scene with way to naturally grow from beginner to the top. BW has not a healthy competitive scene. There is old dogs that have an insane knowledge and skill advantage as well as tourney and stage experience from their pro days. They mostly retain their bubble, although universities were a great attempt to open that up. If you retain all knowledge and don't give people a fair possibility to play the best players regularly, get coachings, stage experience etc. new people will, bar for some very rare exceptions, never be able to close that gap.


Mmmm.. it is hard to get on board with this ''cartel'' argument, it just feels lacking in substance. All the pros stream extensively.. replays are for the most part available... everyone has access to an almost unlimited amount of data.. the ladder exist for a reason, and everyone who can rise to the top of it gets to practice against the very best.. Perhaps the only valid aspect of this argument is that people who can afford to do that for a living can devote themselves full time to practice, but if someone's young hungry and resourceful there's every chance for them to brake through, since in such a dynamic ever-evolving game having solid fundamentals is hardly the only deciding factor (albeit the main one).. It seems to me it's not lack of skill, but lack of composure that causes the ''new dogs'' to fail right at the final stages of qualifiers. If what you're saying was the case - those same final stages of the qualifiers should have been obvious stomps alarmingly often, and they are anything [b]but [/b ]that..
So in conclusion - I think the scene will become rather unhealthy and unnatural if some factor was to be introduced to somehow negate/impair the rightfully-earned experience of them ''old dogs''. One may even say that youth, ambition, still actively-firing hormones and fit/energetic bodies is already plenty enough of a factor in that direction.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1204 Posts
February 19 2026 18:15 GMT
#27
On February 19 2026 21:41 nikolaus8844 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2026 01:27 Miragee wrote:
On February 14 2026 00:43 Agh wrote:
On February 13 2026 20:42 felleN wrote:
Hopefully we get some great games, a little sad this could replace us getting new faces into the tournament

Never really understood this.
Unless I'm entirely missing something if someone can't qualify they don't deserve to be there.


That is true if you have a healthy competitive scene with way to naturally grow from beginner to the top. BW has not a healthy competitive scene. There is old dogs that have an insane knowledge and skill advantage as well as tourney and stage experience from their pro days. They mostly retain their bubble, although universities were a great attempt to open that up. If you retain all knowledge and don't give people a fair possibility to play the best players regularly, get coachings, stage experience etc. new people will, bar for some very rare exceptions, never be able to close that gap.


Mmmm.. it is hard to get on board with this ''cartel'' argument, it just feels lacking in substance. All the pros stream extensively.. replays are for the most part available... everyone has access to an almost unlimited amount of data.. the ladder exist for a reason, and everyone who can rise to the top of it gets to practice against the very best.. Perhaps the only valid aspect of this argument is that people who can afford to do that for a living can devote themselves full time to practice, but if someone's young hungry and resourceful there's every chance for them to brake through, since in such a dynamic ever-evolving game having solid fundamentals is hardly the only deciding factor (albeit the main one).. It seems to me it's not lack of skill, but lack of composure that causes the ''new dogs'' to fail right at the final stages of qualifiers. If what you're saying was the case - those same final stages of the qualifiers should have been obvious stomps alarmingly often, and they are anything [b]but [/b ]that..
So in conclusion - I think the scene will become rather unhealthy and unnatural if some factor was to be introduced to somehow negate/impair the rightfully-earned experience of them ''old dogs''. One may even say that youth, ambition, still actively-firing hormones and fit/energetic bodies is already plenty enough of a factor in that direction.


There is actually some truth to the "cartel argument". It is no cartel but it is the fact they play BW for a living. If you are not already a streamer who can contribute to proleague prizepools, or finance spon matches through viewers or out of their own pocket, it is incredibly difficult to get better after a certain point of skill. You need to play vs the top pros in serious settings in order to grow beyond a certain point. You also need their insights and their situational knowledge. For all of this you need money, or achievements, but usually the monetary aspect comes before the achievements.
JDON MY SOUL!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-21 03:14:10
February 21 2026 03:12 GMT
#28
So watching the first broadcast game here: Snow vs Rush.

Why is Snow playing? Isn't he auto into round of 16 as last year's runner up?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
February 21 2026 03:26 GMT
#29
Arbiter Carriers awesome
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-21 03:49:40
February 21 2026 03:48 GMT
#30
On February 21 2026 12:12 RowdierBob wrote:
So watching the first broadcast game here: Snow vs Rush.

Why is Snow playing? Isn't he auto into round of 16 as last year's runner up?


No idea what's going on. I can't find a bracket.
Here's the liquipedia but not updated:
(Wiki)ASL/21/Qualifier/OPEN/1/Qualifier

No idea about SnOw. There is prize money and it's open to anyone. But possibility they've done away with seeds? Barracks would flip a desk if that were the case.
No idea. Wish it were easier to follow.
+ Show Spoiler +
No idea

tLdr: no clue
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
February 21 2026 04:57 GMT
#31
Queen Hero Best made to the r4.
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China194 Posts
February 21 2026 05:12 GMT
#32
As expected, all the players who made it to the finals were former professional , not amateur players.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
February 21 2026 05:48 GMT
#33
LMAO Dark Archon instant GG
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
February 21 2026 06:03 GMT
#34
I wanted to enjoy this but was impossible to follow or get invested. Afreeca rep posted a separate thread with hashtags and no link to a bracket. Very bizarre. Guess i'm waitin for the ro16. See y'all there.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
February 21 2026 06:10 GMT
#35
Who is HY? This guy is crushing.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
February 21 2026 06:11 GMT
#36
Bliss I guess
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-21 06:24:03
February 21 2026 06:22 GMT
#37
Kinda surprised at the low turnout for this event, especially the lack of foreign players. Thought this would’ve been a cool tourney for a lot of amateur players to enter. Not often you can get a game against a top pro.

Maybe the camera setup was too onerous for many?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey770 Posts
February 21 2026 06:57 GMT
#38
BeSt win it all!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
February 21 2026 08:24 GMT
#39
Broadcast for this was really weird. They would show you the results in the bracket then broadcast the game after you know who’s going to win. Curious approach.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
160 Posts
February 21 2026 11:26 GMT
#40
On February 21 2026 17:24 RowdierBob wrote:
Broadcast for this was really weird. They would show you the results in the bracket then broadcast the game after you know who’s going to win. Curious approach.

if they didn't show the result before casting you still know one of 2 players would win too. I love to watch PvZ recently because I just need to see one of them would be defeat.
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