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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
December 07 2007 13:27 GMT
#401
nope
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32091 Posts
December 07 2007 13:29 GMT
#402
yes its funny
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28716 Posts
December 07 2007 15:11 GMT
#403
On December 07 2007 04:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2007 03:55 SonuvBob wrote:
On December 07 2007 03:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nope.

TL.net wasnt ran by witch hunters at that time. He was mocked and defriended but his hacking didnt get a thread with evidence and lame sarcastic humor.

Wasn't his map hacking well known before TL.net was around?


Nick has had several hacking incidents and I think TL.net was around in 2002? Even earlier.. it was around then that Nick hacked. I could be wrong and if I am I am sorry. But this is what I think anyways, Nick would know the date of his temporary immaturity (he has grown since then obviously!)


testie was first caught hacking in like 2000 or so, pretty certain it was tao-of-gaming that exposed him then. (he was playing a tourney, was told to screenshot during the game which was how you detected maphack back then, and sent them the screenshot which had minerals exposed which could only be due to maphack. )
then he sort of got his redemption, although people were still super suspicious, until there was a tourney hosted by clanbase in early 2002(february). I then, without really knowing how, suddenly remembered a game I had played against him 7 months prior to that, which proved him still hacking. tl.net was not around at that time, teamliquid.cjb.net might have been, but the exposure and thread happened in the battlereports.com replay section (a replay with 353 comments.. )

testie denied that it was him playing and it generated some discussion (basically some friends of testie stuck up for him, everyone not dumb did not) on the forums that were present at the time, (clanbase had some threads, im not sure what others though, possibly cloira or something.) but teamliquid.net was not one of them. you can be certain that it would have been posted here before any other place if we had the site.
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himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
December 07 2007 15:38 GMT
#404
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
December 07 2007 16:26 GMT
#405
On December 07 2007 04:56 himurakenshin wrote:
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On December 07 2007 04:51 Mango wrote:
What are you trying to prove here???
Oh nooos, Chill made a little mistake in his timeline, I think you got your point clear afther 4pages of nagging. So now let this discussion rest and lets all flame LastShadow a bit more.

Gj on the thread btw! I was almost feeling sorry for him being flamed all the time, but this thread puts things in a different perspective.


I finished my discussion with Chill sometime ago, this eri guy started something else


anyways this was one of my favorite lastshadow threads hahahaha:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=58538


I know we're not allowed to bump old threads without reason but I have to say that thread is one of the funniest I've ever read. Especially the part where the girl asks him to type it all out but in one paragraph. Hahahah XD
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
December 07 2007 18:53 GMT
#406
On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.

Hopefully, one day in the distant future, Chill too can earn our trust again, and make up for his terrible transgressions in this thread.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32091 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 20:17:27
December 07 2007 20:16 GMT
#407
On December 08 2007 03:53 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.

Hopefully, one day in the distant future, Chill too can earn our trust again, and make up for his terrible transgressions in this thread.


If we don't burn him at the stake first!

edit: and there's a big difference between testie n shadow, in that testie isn't annoying as shit and doesn't trashtalk everyone he sees.
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iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 21:51:01
December 07 2007 21:48 GMT
#408
Testie is awesome from what I saw in his WCG interview.. I'm a HUGE fan!

but no more hacking ok, not worth it!

edit:
On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.


NO WAY he can do the same as Testie.. his game timing is WAY off
Xellos <3
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
December 09 2007 19:20 GMT
#409
The reps are awesome, he mass 30+ vultures at 8 mins. I learned how to play Terran.

+ Show Spoiler +
LOL THAT WAS FUNNY TO WATCH
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
December 09 2007 21:47 GMT
#410
There's a difference between mineral hack and map hack. While both are considered bad by the community, i remember hearing about korean progamers sometimes practicing with it on (as long as their opponent agreed) to learn the timings of the game better.

On the other hand, mineral hack has done nothing good at all for lastshadow, in fact just made him worse. What better way to ruin the real sense of timing in starcraft then by making units cheaper? If he does try to get back without mineral hacking he's probably gonna have a hard time and he's definately not going to "dominate" or whatever like he did before with HaX.
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HonkHonkBeep
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
China353 Posts
December 09 2007 21:48 GMT
#411
If you're maphacking with your opponent's permission you can just play with vision.
God is cruel; sometimes he makes us live.
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
December 10 2007 13:45 GMT
#412
I know some korean players which used to use maphack on bnet, and they say they learned timing really well. One korean told me its a good way to learn because he said once you know what information you need, you can then learn to scout well to find that information.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
December 10 2007 21:53 GMT
#413
On one hand we got some people who maphack to learn timings to improve their game, and on the other we have lastshadow who rigged maps so he can make worthless shadowrush guides and brag about his wins
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25989 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 21:56:26
December 10 2007 21:56 GMT
#414
On December 10 2007 22:45 himurakenshin wrote:
I know some korean players which used to use maphack on bnet, and they say they learned timing really well. One korean told me its a good way to learn because he said once you know what information you need, you can then learn to scout well to find that information.


Isn't it actually the opposite? You need timing because you have to make assumptions without scouting. How would being able to see what your opponent is doing give you better timing?
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 22:07 GMT
#415
I've played with vision of opponent on a couple times and to be honest by mid game you won't even have time to look at their base.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5521 Posts
December 10 2007 22:12 GMT
#416
Well when you use maphack, after a while you would be able to look at how many units you have, and have a good estimate of what their going to have. Which you could use to time your pushes.

You could learn all this through playing/replays but I assume using MH is faster and possibly more accurate.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
December 10 2007 23:08 GMT
#417
On December 11 2007 07:12 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Well when you use maphack, after a while you would be able to look at how many units you have, and have a good estimate of what their going to have. Which you could use to time your pushes.

You could learn all this through playing/replays but I assume using MH is faster and possibly more accurate.

its true. Playing with MH is like playing and watching replay at the same time. I've always claimed this and i still think its a good way to practice. But of course, its not fair to your opponent so i guess playing with shared vision is the way to go.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 13 2007 17:37 GMT
#418
Well... LastShadow aka LightDark's reign of terror on WGT has now ended. After starting with a good rec only playing TvP and making bold claims on reaching A rank then apologizing, he pretty much stopped playing upon realizing he could not TvZ to save his life and dropped like 12/15 games.

Anyways then WGT admins decided, this guy doesnt deserve another chance to "prove himself", at least not on WGT. ban.

ggnore
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5521 Posts
December 13 2007 20:13 GMT
#419
On December 14 2007 02:37 Xeris wrote:
making bold claims on reaching A rank then apologizing


Apologizing? For not getting A? Explain more! I'm confused!
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
December 13 2007 20:16 GMT
#420
oh dear i just saw this thread hahahaha...
i thought the lastshadow thingy would've died down by now.
"I couldn't stop myself from having unreal macro and sick timing senses."
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