This video was insightful and at the same time entertaining. jinjin5000, you are a highly valued treasure and a bulwark of the broodwar community. Much appreciated, thank you!

blackmanpl

65 Posts

March 31 2020 19:01 GMT

Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.

Qikz

United Kingdom12022 Posts

March 31 2020 19:34 GMT

On April 01 2020 04:01 blackmanpl wrote:
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.

I mean look at most ZvPs from 2010-2011, late game defilers were normal - seems weird they're not anymore!

QOGQOG

834 Posts

March 31 2020 20:22 GMT

On April 01 2020 04:01 blackmanpl wrote:
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.

...what? Snow said nothing of the sort. Horang2 talked a little bit about defilers, and Snow said Zero should be less predictable (everyone agreed on this, actually).

TiQ.SinGi

Norway385 Posts

March 31 2020 21:03 GMT

So nice that these translation videos keep coming! Thanks again jinjin5000

KameZerg

Sweden1767 Posts

March 31 2020 21:31 GMT

Prepared competitive games have an extra dimension that normal ladder games dont usually have. Its much about analyzing your opponent, coming up with a suitable play and theres also alot of mindgames involved. Some players are better than other players at that so thats an extra factor to take into consideration.

Ideas

United States8121 Posts

April 01 2020 01:08 GMT

On April 01 2020 04:34 Qikz wrote:

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I mean look at most ZvPs from 2010-2011, late game defilers were normal - seems weird they're not anymore!

Also reminds me of how until around 2010/2011 it was totally normal for zergs to use ultras in late-game ZvP. Then some point around then they all realized that hydra/lurker/ling was just way more cost-efficient I guess?

But yeah definitely feels like late-game zvp doesn't happen often enough.

Thanks for the sub jinjin!

InDi

Spain90 Posts

April 01 2020 02:12 GMT

The problem with Z's is they can win way too easily just making hydras ZvP, so funny

ggsimida

1148 Posts

April 01 2020 04:58 GMT

#10

like shine's face expressions throughtout the entire vid

also i remembered around jan (most probably after this vid?) there was a castermuse league game where shine beat snow lategame using ling-defiler-guardian composition without making a hydra. great response by shine in that case :D

Akio

Finland1838 Posts

April 01 2020 06:51 GMT

#11

Thanks again! The way they differentiated some of the Zs and their styles by switching around the macro - all-in components was really interesting, never really thought it that way.

Ollin

Poland77 Posts

April 01 2020 08:10 GMT

#12

Am I old school then if i'm still using defilers? What is best than using plague on those protoss scums?

VioleTAK

4315 Posts

April 01 2020 13:36 GMT

#13

Another great one! Thanks jinjin!

Alpha-NP-

United States1242 Posts

April 01 2020 15:30 GMT

#14

On April 01 2020 13:58 ggsimida wrote:
like shine's face expressions throughtout the entire vid

also i remembered around jan (most probably after this vid?) there was a castermuse league game where shine beat snow lategame using ling-defiler-guardian composition without making a hydra. great response by shine in that case :D

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