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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
March 31 2020 17:52 GMT
#1


this was back in January 2020
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
March 31 2020 18:51 GMT
#2
This video was insightful and at the same time entertaining. jinjin5000, you are a highly valued treasure and a bulwark of the broodwar community. Much appreciated, thank you!
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blackmanpl
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
63 Posts
March 31 2020 19:01 GMT
#3
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-31 19:36:55
March 31 2020 19:34 GMT
#4
On April 01 2020 04:01 blackmanpl wrote:
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.


I mean look at most ZvPs from 2010-2011, late game defilers were normal - seems weird they're not anymore!
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
March 31 2020 20:22 GMT
#5
On April 01 2020 04:01 blackmanpl wrote:
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.

...what? Snow said nothing of the sort. Horang2 talked a little bit about defilers, and Snow said Zero should be less predictable (everyone agreed on this, actually).
TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway385 Posts
March 31 2020 21:03 GMT
#6
So nice that these translation videos keep coming! Thanks again jinjin5000
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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-31 21:32:46
March 31 2020 21:31 GMT
#7
Prepared competitive games have an extra dimension that normal ladder games dont usually have. Its much about analyzing your opponent, coming up with a suitable play and theres also alot of mindgames involved. Some players are better than other players at that so thats an extra factor to take into consideration.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8093 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-01 01:10:01
April 01 2020 01:08 GMT
#8
On April 01 2020 04:34 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2020 04:01 blackmanpl wrote:
Snow saying that Zero and Action are bad, and giving them advice to use defilers in zvp :D

That's like some of foreign bw commentators' golden insights.


I mean look at most ZvPs from 2010-2011, late game defilers were normal - seems weird they're not anymore!


Also reminds me of how until around 2010/2011 it was totally normal for zergs to use ultras in late-game ZvP. Then some point around then they all realized that hydra/lurker/ling was just way more cost-efficient I guess?

But yeah definitely feels like late-game zvp doesn't happen often enough.

Thanks for the sub jinjin!
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InDi
Profile Joined April 2010
Spain90 Posts
April 01 2020 02:12 GMT
#9
The problem with Z's is they can win way too easily just making hydras ZvP, so funny
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-01 04:58:58
April 01 2020 04:58 GMT
#10
like shine's face expressions throughtout the entire vid

also i remembered around jan (most probably after this vid?) there was a castermuse league game where shine beat snow lategame using ling-defiler-guardian composition without making a hydra. great response by shine in that case :D
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 01 2020 06:51 GMT
#11
Thanks again! The way they differentiated some of the Zs and their styles by switching around the macro - all-in components was really interesting, never really thought it that way.
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Ollin
Profile Joined December 2017
Poland77 Posts
April 01 2020 08:10 GMT
#12
Am I old school then if i'm still using defilers? What is best than using plague on those protoss scums?
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
April 01 2020 13:36 GMT
#13
Another great one! Thanks jinjin!
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
April 01 2020 15:30 GMT
#14
On April 01 2020 13:58 ggsimida wrote:
like shine's face expressions throughtout the entire vid

also i remembered around jan (most probably after this vid?) there was a castermuse league game where shine beat snow lategame using ling-defiler-guardian composition without making a hydra. great response by shine in that case :D

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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-01 16:04:36
April 01 2020 16:03 GMT
#15
0:50 Finally the truth is said by a progamer… SH SH SH SH so easy there is absolutly zero skill involved in 6h mass hidra or 973 or 9734.
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AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
April 01 2020 21:11 GMT
#16
Thank you. Such talks are very interesting.
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
April 01 2020 22:03 GMT
#17
Poor Miso
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
April 01 2020 22:37 GMT
#18
I'm confused, it is showing everything for me in Korean, where is this Translated?
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FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
April 01 2020 22:55 GMT
#19
On April 02 2020 07:37 GGzerG wrote:
I'm confused, it is showing everything for me in Korean, where is this Translated?

There are english subtitles
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10008 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-02 08:14:38
April 02 2020 01:36 GMT
#20
When are any of these guys gonna win a title?

Hurts because Snow's my fav player..
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