Hey Guys,

I have been searching for an APM live tool for a while now and this one here seems awesome! The only problem is that it doesn't work at all for me. Basically, I start up the APM tool and it works great on the desktop, but then when I start up BW it does not recieve any of the clicks or keystrokes that I make, so basically my APM slowly trickles down to 0. So for some reason the program is not overlaying itsself with starcraft. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there any way to fix it? I am running windows vista right now.

Thanks guys, and a great program, I am always amazed at what ppl can do.

RaGe

Belgium9950 Posts

July 20 2007 19:31 GMT

#106

windows vista?

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Canada395 Posts

September 06 2007 04:17 GMT

#107

Nice looking program, i'll give it a shot.

Stylize

United States56 Posts

September 06 2007 05:47 GMT

#108

Does it self update? Or do we check up with you

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Canada395 Posts

September 06 2007 06:10 GMT

#109

Its not meant to run with only starcraft. It's meant to run in windows to monitor APM without needing to update after each patch of ANY game or whatever you do. However I find that after testing it out a few times there seems to be a big difference between the APM shown in this program and BWChart.

I tried hitting the ALT+A command and have enabled
approximatebwchartapm=1
bwchartappxshortcut=1

However after 3 games vs comp just to test it, it seems that there is no difference either way. The program shows considerably higher APM compared with BWChart on the replay.

Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong?

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Hmm after doing some looking around, it seems that BWChart doesn't count the first 2 minutes of spam/actions which is probably why there's a difference in my APM. I'll just try starting it a minute or two later then.

YinYang69

United States255 Posts

September 06 2007 09:44 GMT

#110

It says my APM is around 290 when its only 180ish. It's still a nice program though keep up the solid work!

TehKris

Norway322 Posts

September 07 2007 18:26 GMT

#111

Remember to restart it after the game starts.

Also, I too believe this shows too high apm. An example: in bwchart or a similar program, a rallypoint will count as 1 apm (I think), and attack move aswell (just 2 examples), but with the live detecter, setting a rallypoint with "r" will count as 2 apm (1 for clicking "r", one for clicking on the ground), and the same with attack-move. I also thought I had to high apm when I was just messing around and quite easily got over 250 apm in a fun game.

Piy

Scotland3152 Posts

January 28 2008 16:01 GMT

#112

This is really awesome

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P.S the reason everyones apms are spiking with it is because it monitors ALL actions, even for the first 2 minutes, which I believe BWchart leaves out.

My APM has one from 300 to about 400 on it.

SikLyric

United States125 Posts

January 30 2008 20:46 GMT

#113

Is anyone else getting a message that the file was expired?

FieryBalrog

United States1381 Posts

January 31 2008 00:14 GMT

#114

Obviously it shows too high an APM, zdd himself knows this. Its unavoidable unless the program works directly with Starcraft. The reason is BW chart only counts real actions as actions (training, moving, selecting an actual unit, attack moving) as actions. This program counts every key press and every mouse click as an action. So if you click on some random area of the map, this will record it and your APM will go up, but on BWchart, it will just ignore it. Also it counts attack move as two actions, it will count spell casts as 2 actions (select spell, select target), etc.

edzwoo

United States469 Posts

January 31 2008 00:43 GMT

#115

On January 31 2008 05:46 SikLyric wrote:
Is anyone else getting a message that the file was expired?

Maybe because the first post is a year old.

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

January 31 2008 09:02 GMT

#116

http://rockify.net/zdd/APMDetector.rar
it should even be ICCup compatible, but I havent tested

caution.slip

United States775 Posts

February 05 2008 11:39 GMT

#117

One thing i've noticed is this program counts keystrokes and mouseclicks, where as programs like the APM plugin for ADLoader (and I imagine bwchart) counts commands.

There is a slight difference here

Ingame if you press "r" "click" "r" "click" repeatedly you set the rally for a building, but if you press R before the click finishes, the GAME does not recognize that you pressed R, and the "set rally" option doesn't appear, however a program like this APM reader that just counts strokes WILL recognize those actions

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

February 05 2008 11:53 GMT

#118

Yes, and thats a limitation of the way way this program was created.
The advantages are:
1. It is independent from patches (or even from Starcraft)
2. It is compatible with Antihacks like on ICCup

The disadvantages are:
1. It flickers
2. It is inaccurate.

axel

France385 Posts

February 05 2008 16:23 GMT

#119

Are y sure it's 100 % compatible with iccup ah?
Because i heard "hackers" must be spotted 2 or 3 games before being really banned and i don't want this happens to me rite?

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

February 05 2008 16:38 GMT

#120

I think it currently works, but it is forbidden and may be detected by a future launcher. So there is a risk.