DJEtterStyle, the Voice of the Foreigners

On February 09 2007 04:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Uhm... DJEtterStyle posted REALLY bm shit.. he judges over gamers FAR FAR FAR above his level..

On February 09 2007 04:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Uhm... DJEtterStyle posted REALLY bm shit.. he judges over gamers FAR FAR FAR above his level..

On February 09 2007 04:20 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Uhm... DJEtterStyle posted REALLY bm shit.. he judges over gamers FAR FAR FAR above his level..

On February 09 2007 05:10 SuperJongMan wrote:
Heen, stop reading fifo comments.
Only chodings do that shit.

On February 09 2007 05:11 Carnac wrote:
what are chodings

On February 09 2007 04:01 Heen wrote:
But don't worry, FiFo is the opposite of PGR. It's full of trash talking noobs who will never experience puberty before death.

On February 09 2007 05:45 SuperJongMan wrote:
Yeah, Korean netizens suck.. so take all their comments with a grain.
Netizens bring out the worst of the bias at times.
Cuz.... most are kids -_-;;

On February 09 2007 05:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:


So it's the GG.net of the Korean SC community?

On February 09 2007 04:43 Manifesto7 wrote:


yawn, so do 99% of the sports casters on tv. Being able to watch and analyze a game is different than playing a game. Come up with some real arguments.

Then some guys reply that foreigners suck so they shouldn't be the ones judging T_T

On February 09 2007 09:18 bErAtEd- wrote:


I don't understand why if we are not able to play at their level that that corresponds to us not being able to talk about it. Many of us (okay all of us) are not professional athletes and cannot throw a football 80 yards with exact precision, but does that mean we cannot analyze a football game or ones performances? These are definitely the words of an arrogant Korean (just this one, not all Koreans are arrogant -- except savior ).

On February 09 2007 09:42 Commentator wrote:


You would still need to prove that the inexperienced that are judging football are in fact significantly knowledgable in comparison to the experienced, otherwise you have to cede the point. But don't bother, since the Koreans don't claim that nothing can be judged by the inexperienced so it's not helping your argument to bring up a counterexample to that claim. Rather, the Koreans are talking specifically about BW. I think it's self-evident that the nature of BW as a "spectator event" has no precedent and needs to be judged of itself.

My impression is that the Koreans have the correct inclination and that the foreigners are inadvertently drawing on a fallacious analogy to popular sports in order to validate themselves.

On February 09 2007 09:53 [Carlodajin] wrote:
I think if there is one reason why I like Koreans so much...is that they are good mannered and respectful to each other...and I always try to give their example to others...

On February 09 2007 09:55 bErAtEd- wrote:


I've been backing you up in everything that you say, but this contribution I question. We are talking about the arrogance of the Koreans in their attitudes of starcraft and you say that they are good mannered and respectful. Please explain?

On February 09 2007 09:57 [Carlodajin] wrote:

See the video to understand me better...
I am trying to say here that Koreans are good mannered above all things...

On February 09 2007 09:57 [Carlodajin] wrote:

See the video to understand me better...
I am trying to say here that Koreans are good mannered above all things...

On February 09 2007 09:59 bErAtEd- wrote:


One video cannot possibly show that every single Korean is good mannered, I still do not see where you are coming from

On February 09 2007 10:02 Carnac wrote:
we were talking about forum trolls, not top notch players, carlo

On February 09 2007 10:03 [Carlodajin] wrote:

I am sorry I will talk about that...

On February 09 2007 10:07 Carnac wrote:
you fail to see the point. we were talking about a specific groups of people, you randomly talking about other groups of persons adds nothing to it

On February 09 2007 10:08 [Carlodajin] wrote:

I am sorry...
In that case my opinion is that bad people is everywhere...but the difference relies on the whole country trend to behave...

On February 09 2007 10:10 bErAtEd- wrote:


Still We weren't challenging Koreans as a whole but that community that says we have nothing to add or no one to judge because we are foreign.

In response to your post do you think I can validly argue that all the arrogance in American is just a few bad people and they are inadequately representing our ability to behave as a group . . . ?

I doubt it

On February 09 2007 10:13 bErAtEd- wrote:
Which leads us right back to where you took us off topic to us stating that this assumption was biased and bullshit -- but you backed them up, so now I'm starting to feel like you are contradicting yourself.

On February 09 2007 10:21 [Carlodajin] wrote:

But valid opinions are always valid...unless they dont make sense...
Sadly opinions are still valid even if they are bad mannered...because I really dislike bad manners...

On February 09 2007 09:49 CTStalker wrote:
The picture in the front of the FF article doesn't load for me (tried to view it on Linux-Firefox and Windows IE/FF). Am I the only one?

On February 09 2007 10:23 bErAtEd- wrote:

Opinions can't be valid, only arguments. And I assure you there validity is not dependent on how much sense they make, but on how they are formed.

On February 09 2007 10:27 [Carlodajin] wrote:

I think opinions are a way of seeing things...so any opinion that says that hurting another person is valid...I think is not due to obvious reasons...and for me hurting another person is invalid and dont make sense...

on another note, what happened w/ androide to make him seem bm during wcg?

On February 09 2007 05:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:


So it's the GG.net of the Korean SC community?

And probably the most painful thing is their opinion on foreigner players. From my experience I know that Koreans think that they have some special talent for StarCraft, but in my opinion they mostly owe it to the great progaming structure in Korea.

On February 09 2007 05:48 EvilTeletubby wrote:


So it's the GG.net of the Korean SC community?

On February 09 2007 06:17 Manifesto7 wrote:
This may sounds presumptious, but I believe the best of our korean contributors have come here because of that Korean netizen attitude. It makes me think that this place has been crafted well.

On February 09 2007 10:55 bErAtEd- wrote:


I wasn't around during the WCG 2005, but watching the WCG documentary I might have insight as to what happened. At the end of the game it appears that Androide said something along the lines of, "I fucked up, but you are still good, gg"

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote: Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T

On February 09 2007 12:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
most of the people in my korean clan are some of the most bm motherfuckers ever. i've been 8 raxed many times vs fellow clan members cuz i'm foreign, kicked out of of games i tried to ob in for no apparent reason. a lot of people won't play me at all. many koreans, mostly young ones, really do not like foreigners. If you wanna see an example of prepubescent korean bm in korean, read the text in game and comments for crayon vs fleta on yglan.

On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote:

He said "I miss, you win, gg"
Think he was referring to failing his timing push that could of won the game for him. Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T

On February 09 2007 13:48 Chill wrote:


He actually said something more along the lines of:
"Me miss"
"But you strong"
"^^"
"gg"

On February 09 2007 10:37 bErAtEd- wrote:
I just feel like a schmuck after backing Carlo up and then reading through this post and reading his reply. We weren't talking about Pros, and we certainly weren't talking about anytime. We were just talking about their view that we are inferior. I just really feel that as much as people say that he tries, there isn't much effort being made on his part.

On February 09 2007 15:13 IdiotWind wrote:
In all fairness, when compared to top korean pros, foreigners really do suck :0 And there is alot of arrogance, imo, with someone who is not 1/10th the skill of a pro to say "the pro should do this or should do that". In any game of incomplete information like starcraft, you are occasionally going to look like an idiot, and occasionally going to look like a genius. For example, everyone critized go)rush for his risky all in hydra move vs rush, saying it's a bad idea.

"GoRush makes his opponent look like god because his ZvP has, incredibly, reached a new low" was a caption from the write up of the game. Granted that was Manablue who wrote that, not the person in question, but the fact remains that there are foreigners insulting the skills of korean pros."

You can say, in all fairness, GoRushes ZvP HAS reached a new low. I say, neither you, nor I, are qualified to say that and 20 some pro league games or whatever field his record vs protoss is drawn from is not nearly enough to say that he is good or isn't. I'm actually quite surprised that the current format is what it is, where a few key matches decide who is best and who is worst. I guess that adds some more excitement, because with a gamei or PGT style play alot of games and top is winner, the best would almost always win, but with very few games it's easier for worse players to win.

Anyway I hope I am not being too critical of the people who put in alot of their own time to bring me those writeups, nor am I asking you to change the way you do them, because those funny sayings below the pictures make me laugh, especially when they insult one of the players, and everyone appreciates the work you do. I'm just saying maybe there's a grain of truth in what the koreans are saying :0

On February 09 2007 16:04 MuShu wrote:
Does someone have the picture? I read the thread but am still not sure of what the picture was.

On February 09 2007 12:24 QuietIdiot wrote:

He said "I miss, you win, gg"
Think he was referring to failing his timing push that could of won the game for him. Also, after silent_control lost to androide, bunch of korean hackers hacked his fan page..rofl poor guy T_T

On February 09 2007 18:13 The Storyteller wrote:


Silent_control has fans?

On February 09 2007 18:26 [Carlodajin] wrote:

Of course...I am one of his fans =)...

On February 09 2007 08:25 DJEtterStyle wrote:
This... this is the greatest thing I have ever seen.

I just don't know what I say, but first off, I'd like to thank the Academy. I mean, they're the ones who make this sort of recognition possible. Then, of course, I have to thank my parents. All those endless singing lessons as a child--how I hated them! But now I understand that they were just preparing me to be... the Voice of the Foreigners.