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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51038 Posts
February 04 2015 01:51 GMT
#21
On February 04 2015 06:25 lemmata wrote:
Okay. I am now hyped for some TvT.

you should be, its a dynamite matchup
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9176 Posts
February 04 2015 02:31 GMT
#22
yay tvt grand finals. ill be there!
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
February 04 2015 02:35 GMT
#23
tvt is somehow simultaneously my favorite and least favorite matchup. will still tune in regardless tho, esp for sayle
can i get my estro logo back pls
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
February 04 2015 03:31 GMT
#24
Really nice with the Interviews, more awareness of TL for the Afreeca players is always good.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 04 2015 03:57 GMT
#25
I want Leta to play so bad now (
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10410 Posts
February 04 2015 05:31 GMT
#26
terran op. tanks op.

joking. sick round. lets hope for continued amazing games!
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
February 04 2015 06:45 GMT
#27
These writeups really never stop impressing me, great job! The exclusive interviews were really cool, and the wraith spotlight was pretty great too.
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tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
February 05 2015 03:23 GMT
#28
people actually like tvt?
didn't wanna be a debbie downer but tvt is absolutely the worst matchup in bw
pvp can be a little bit exciting and at least zvz ends fast
tvt takes fucking forever, there's almost no tense micro, and no matter who wins it wasn't exciting

zvp and tvz are the most fun to watch
pvt is alright
mirror matches kinda blow
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
February 05 2015 07:46 GMT
#29
Sick embedded gifs!
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
February 05 2015 14:02 GMT
#30
On February 05 2015 12:23 tube wrote:
people actually like tvt?
didn't wanna be a debbie downer but tvt is absolutely the worst matchup in bw
pvp can be a little bit exciting and at least zvz ends fast
tvt takes fucking forever, there's almost no tense micro, and no matter who wins it wasn't exciting

zvp and tvz are the most fun to watch
pvt is alright
mirror matches kinda blow


pvp is the worst imo
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 05 2015 19:31 GMT
#31
On February 05 2015 23:02 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 12:23 tube wrote:
people actually like tvt?
didn't wanna be a debbie downer but tvt is absolutely the worst matchup in bw
pvp can be a little bit exciting and at least zvz ends fast
tvt takes fucking forever, there's almost no tense micro, and no matter who wins it wasn't exciting

zvp and tvz are the most fun to watch
pvt is alright
mirror matches kinda blow


pvp is the worst imo

zvz is almost always boring. tvt and pvp can sometimes be fun to watch (tvt end game, pvp reaver wars)
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myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-07 18:50:33
February 07 2015 18:50 GMT
#32
Great writing! The content kept me reading to the end which a very few articles on TL can do.
Thanks man.
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
February 07 2015 18:51 GMT
#33
On February 04 2015 12:57 icystorage wrote:
I want Leta to play so bad now (

Yeah, Leta knew how to "pew-pew"
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-07 18:55:01
February 07 2015 18:53 GMT
#34
On February 05 2015 12:23 tube wrote:
people actually like tvt?
didn't wanna be a debbie downer but tvt is absolutely the worst matchup in bw
pvp can be a little bit exciting and at least zvz ends fast
tvt takes fucking forever, there's almost no tense micro, and no matter who wins it wasn't exciting

zvp and tvz are the most fun to watch
pvt is alright
mirror matches kinda blow

I'd say it's subjective. I didn't like TvT much, but couple of good games hooked me up and now I enjoy it more than PvP, which I think is truly boring.
TvT is BW chess.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
February 07 2015 20:20 GMT
#35
TvT is awesome, but you have to pay close attention to the game. It's more about strategic positioning than micro(although there is more of that than you're implying imo)
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4208 Posts
February 07 2015 22:13 GMT
#36
On February 08 2015 05:20 Elyvilon wrote:
TvT is awesome, but you have to pay close attention to the game. It's more about strategic positioning than micro(although there is more of that than you're implying imo)

That maybe true, but you still need the patience of a saint to get through the preparation, and footsies to get to the part where stuff actually happens.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 00:39:54
February 08 2015 00:38 GMT
#37
On February 08 2015 07:13 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2015 05:20 Elyvilon wrote:
TvT is awesome, but you have to pay close attention to the game. It's more about strategic positioning than micro(although there is more of that than you're implying imo)

That maybe true, but you still need the patience of a saint to get through the preparation, and footsies to get to the part where stuff actually happens.


Don't think you will notice that if you actually play the matchup. There will be many things to do to keep you busy during the game. (Expanding,harassing,blocking harass, keeping check of front lines, more turrets, tech switch to air etc.)

And as a spectator you will appreciate it only if you can notice strategical value behind the player moves rather than watching it like some action movie
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-08 17:28:51
February 08 2015 17:25 GMT
#38
TvT is actually pretty "boring" when mass-produced cookie-cutter Terrans (yangsanhyung) play each other. I suppose that could be said of any mirror match up, but Terran is the most formulaic race due to its defensive nature and upgrade efficiency.

(EDIT: Okay, it's not actually boring. Like someone said, many enjoyable aspects of TvTs are like go/chess. But the thing is, when I want to watch a game like go, I just watch go.)

It's pretty darn awesome when players with different styles face each other, like Boxer vs iloveoov in the OSL finals.

The semis were pretty entertaining because the styles of the players were sufficiently varied. It think it will also be the case for the finals. I'm also curious as to what kind of cheese will be attempted for the sake of (or just taking advantage of) BO5 mind games and when.
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