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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-12-02 03:29:04
November 29 2006 19:44 GMT
#1
(this is NOT a serious post, they "almost" never are ..also I think have seen the pic before too here at tl.net somewhere..)

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http://sc.replays.hu/ (posted by bludger)

Pic thanks to Replays.hu always providing us with replays, replays packs and funny pics. This one is of course racist even though it is done in honor of humor. I do not know who the author is.

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Chatting with geoff about neo-nazi symbolism, I was reminded of an old humorous debate. Is StarCraft racist? Not many black characters, and the few that we can find occupy negative or lowly positions of SCV. Women too don't fare much better. There are several quotes also that at to say the least odd.

Back to the word honor. The Warcraft Book written by Blizzard's Chris Metzen himself http://www.blizzard.co.uk/books/WarcraftOBH.shtml uses the title WarCraft: Of Blood and Honor. The choice of words in reminiscent of the very motto of Hitlerjungend, i.e. Hitler's Youth had it engraved in the uniform blades, which was supposed to highlight the "never surrender" spirit. . Blood and Honor happens also to be one of largest neo-Nazi militant networks today that coincidentally was born out of a lose associations of punk, metal bands & its fans initially.
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Everyone knows too that a few at Blizzard from part of the band called "Level 60 Elite Tauren Chieftain." (a heavy metal band with punk affinity)

This is from their most famous song..

"Farseer to the Warsong clan,
To no matter will I kneel.
Feel the power and the energy,
For the black blood, honor and steel."

* http://wow-dd.svarov.org/MP3/MP3_soubory/Power of the Horde.mp3 The power of the Horde: Storm, Earth and Fire
* http://wow-dd.svarov.org/MP3/Death Dealers Download MP3.htm (other)

The word horde too has often been used as an adjective to describe Nazi members:
"The Nazi Horde." But this is an even older story, as it goes all the way back to the Lord of the Rings and Tolkein **

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_racism

blah blah.. I get carried away in my boredom sometimes. ..

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Some one brought this old debate at newsground and did not get too much sympathy from the forum members. Some of the replies are funny, some not. Let me quote his post:

Posted by Mop-Top (I hope it is not Testie) Starcraft is Sexist and Racist.

1)There was only 2 black people in the whole game
2)1 black was an insignificant worker
3)The other seems to be evil (betrayed UED, helped Kerrigan, and now mixing different species genes.
4)The only girls were a medic, transport, and valkeries and a robot (Which isn't exactly human)
5)Everyone seemed to be a bit redneck

I don't think the firebat is black. I'm pretty sure he ain't.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=227904
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Retarded ytmnd site that points out what many of us might have already noticed when we first played Starcraft.
http://scracism.ytmnd.com/


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Anyway, putting it to a vote

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Poll: Is StarCraft Racist?
(Vote): 28/88!
(Vote): Yea, but just came out subconsiously
(Vote): No, it is racists ONLY to racists minds
(Vote): No more than Command & Conquer
(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): It is just a game dude..
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 29 2006 19:53 GMT
#2
hm.. interesting post.

=.= poor africa in that pic.

i think all those blood and honor and things are just coincidences drawn from our culture and use of those objects as symbols etc...

anyway another female in the game -> razsagal? lol :D
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bearnet2001
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Argentina335 Posts
November 29 2006 20:16 GMT
#3
Kerrigan is both female and arguably the most important character in the storyline...
wXs.Havok
Profile Joined October 2006
Argentina529 Posts
November 29 2006 20:23 GMT
#4
it isnt strange that most MILITARY units are male.

Also you have 3 high range characters that are female

Kerrigan is some kind of Lt.
Raszagal is the LEADER of the Dark Templars.
And the Valkyrie chick has higher range than the wraith captains.
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
November 29 2006 21:36 GMT
#5
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
November 29 2006 21:45 GMT
#6
ultra-anti-rascist just busting to point the finger at people and say YOURE RASCIST

jesus fucking christ just like the fucking idiots who pointed out that OMFG THERE ARE NO BLACK PPL IN THE SHOW "FRIENDS" THEREFORE ALL THE PPL IN IT the director, producer, actors etc etc ARE ALL RASCIST OMFG SUE UR FUCKING ASS

gg well... uhh... there are no black actors... so what?
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Dahlia...
Profile Joined September 2005
United States409 Posts
November 29 2006 22:03 GMT
#7
Duran represents Cubans well. ;;
alpskomleko
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Slovenia950 Posts
November 29 2006 22:07 GMT
#8
It's a safe guess the Matriarch was female as well. As far as female protoss goes, of course.
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Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
November 29 2006 22:15 GMT
#9
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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
November 29 2006 22:32 GMT
#10
This is just stupid. Starcraft is not racist - only for those who want it to be.
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
November 29 2006 22:49 GMT
#11
lol everyone is taking this seriously
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
November 29 2006 22:50 GMT
#12
Very funny pic.
Racism only exists for the weak.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
November 29 2006 22:57 GMT
#13
On November 30 2006 07:49 GroT wrote:
lol everyone is taking this seriously


I'm not :p

Nice pic btw, love the Koreans.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
November 29 2006 23:00 GMT
#14
Marines are commies
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
November 29 2006 23:04 GMT
#15
Roflmao, the one for Japan is hilarious.
LordofAscension
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States589 Posts
November 29 2006 23:20 GMT
#16
It is just a game. But really look @ Nova. She is the heroine to a game that never got made. It's just a game. The game itself isn't racist since it doesn't put any race "down". At worst SC plays favorites. Sometimes I think people dig a little too much to what isn't there.

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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
November 29 2006 23:30 GMT
#17
Hilarious pic ^^ and...

OMG!1! OMG!1! There are no Asian or Eskimo characters in brood war, RACISM!1! RACISM!1! PURE EVIL I TELL YOU !1!

USA are NAZIS, you can't deny it, just look at the san diego naval base:
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I'll call Nada.
Dametri
Profile Joined September 2005
United States726 Posts
November 29 2006 23:38 GMT
#18
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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
November 29 2006 23:39 GMT
#19
i'm pretty sure tassadar was a nigger
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j0ehoe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States2705 Posts
November 29 2006 23:48 GMT
#20
its only racist if youre jesse jackson and you got bored out of making up racial claims in real life situations (kinda like the strip club shooting, where 2 cops were black and anothre 2 were spanish)

if it was racist, the marines would be black, since theyre the first to die.

id like to add in tho cuz i foudn it hilarious when i read it, a quote from a zvt guide from (sadist? idk, whoever made the hilarious zvt guide a few months back with pics on luna)

"if you see a nigger in a space suit running around, be sure to kill it"
Only communists disconnect.
Dametri
Profile Joined September 2005
United States726 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-29 23:58:05
November 29 2006 23:57 GMT
#21
On November 30 2006 08:39 vGl-CoW wrote:
i'm pretty sure tassadar was a nigger


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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
November 30 2006 00:00 GMT
#22
ahahaha
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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-30 00:22:30
November 30 2006 00:11 GMT
#23
What about D2? Why's the only black guy a paladin, huh? Oh crap Harry Potter's talking about witchcraft, that's the devil's work!! And what's up with cactuars from Final fantasy 7? Shit we've been subconsciously brainwashed by Squaresoft since day one...

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There are supremacists with websites, their own musics albums out, and marching around proclaiming their rights, but WHO CARES about them when there are such obvious conspiracies in gamess!?
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Some one brought this old debate at newsground and did not get too much sympathy from the forum members. Some of the replies are funny, some not. Let me quote his post:

[quote]Posted by Mop-Top (I hope it is not Testie) Starcraft is Sexist and Racist.

[/QUOTE]

Ahahahaha

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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
November 30 2006 00:25 GMT
#24
Some of the replies are far funnier than the initial pic..lol*3
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
November 30 2006 00:34 GMT
#25
helo thar Japan!

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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
November 30 2006 00:37 GMT
#26
lol africa

anyways, its just a game

besides as long as blizz makes fan fucking tastic games, i'm not complaining
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
November 30 2006 00:48 GMT
#27
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Nipin
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2 Posts
November 30 2006 00:49 GMT
#28
the swastika was originally hindu/buddhist, so I won't even go into that. Besides terran, its kinda hard to tell what gender the units are. If you look at most any military around the world, 95%+ of the troops are male. In the US, women can't even serve in the infantry or submarines etc. So you might as well say all of mankind (lawl i said mankind instead of human kind, quick, castrate me) is sexist. If you look at how much supply you use up and how much of that supply is comprised of SCV's, there is a rather high % of black people in your average game of SC. WTF is up w/ ppl and "racism aganst blacks"? Where are the hispanic units, the Indians, the Asians? But if you look at the leading countries in the current "space race thingie", next to all of the astronauts etc are white males. In short, the entire idea of SC being racist/sexist is nothing but utter stupidity. Cream cheese and potato salad are both very tasty.
Potato
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
November 30 2006 02:06 GMT
#29
IIRC the terran colonies were founded by prison trash exiled from earth...given the racial contents of our prisons today I'd say terran diversity in BW is fairly represented.

Allowing women to fight as grunts defeats the purpose of fighting in the first place
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-30 08:35:49
November 30 2006 02:43 GMT
#30
Too subtle if you ask me but while you are mentioning diversity, is it just me or do probes say "Shocran" when you clik on them? - thanks in Arabic -

here found it ~
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Protoss/Probe/pprYes03.wav
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 30 2006 02:59 GMT
#31
what now? probes are jews??

oh, duh, that's way that neo-nazi guy in the vulture offens whipes them out







PD: i read physician post, i just found it funny
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 30 2006 03:04 GMT
#32
On November 30 2006 08:39 vGl-CoW wrote:
i'm pretty sure tassadar was a nigger


yeah i always felt like he was saying "YO will?"
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dancefayedance!~
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
November 30 2006 03:05 GMT
#33
OMG AHAHA THE AFRICA PICTURE IS FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
November 30 2006 03:06 GMT
#34
Only thing who might be considerd as racism is that SCVs are indeed black.
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
November 30 2006 03:16 GMT
#35
Hahahaha that picture's hilarious. Love the hydralisk.
There's crashing?
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
November 30 2006 03:18 GMT
#36
lol africans never evolved and lol @ the japan one, so funny.
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
November 30 2006 03:22 GMT
#37
the only one i find wierd is when Firebats "burn" my jewish probes...

and they always want to give me a smoke fuckin druggies
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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
November 30 2006 03:29 GMT
#38
omg yes!
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lawl mart v2.0
Profile Joined November 2006
United States108 Posts
November 30 2006 03:32 GMT
#39
wtf scvs arent black
i have said this over and over they are not black!
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
November 30 2006 03:35 GMT
#40
On November 30 2006 09:37 Yogurt wrote:
lol africa

anyways, its just a game

besides as long as blizz makes fan fucking tastic games, i'm not complaining

notice how africa doesn't have their own b.net server...wtf discrimination? -_-; Bah w/e
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
November 30 2006 08:34 GMT
#41
found the file ~
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Protoss/Probe/pprYes03.wav
does it say "Shocran"?
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-30 09:02:52
November 30 2006 08:51 GMT
#42
Damn why does everyone think the SCV is black? It's just a combination of poor lighting in the suit and he's supposed to be a farmer-tanned redneck. Listen to this voice, people! Clearly a stereotypical (caucasian!) redneck.

Also Kerrigen looks black to me. Didn't she have braids?

[Edit]
Also, a lot of Blizzard's characters are winks at pop culture. Dropship woman-> Aliens. Black Palladin -> Othello. The hard-ass grunt marine is from everywhere.

Also the lack of blacks and all the 50's style stuff (medics, Terran cut-scenes) could be based on the fact that the SC world is heavily influenced by the book Starship Troopers.
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
November 30 2006 08:53 GMT
#43
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-30 10:50:50
November 30 2006 10:45 GMT
#44
# sweatpants - you know, you are 100% right.

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Here is some of the wav files of scvs
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Terran/SCV/TSCYes03.wav
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Terran/SCV/TSCYes02.wav
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Terran/SCV/TSCYes01.wav
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Terran/SCV/TSCYes00.wav
http://www.15tc.com/donnelod/Sound/Terran/SCV/TSCWht03.wav
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Solstice[gm]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)76 Posts
November 30 2006 11:33 GMT
#45
On November 30 2006 07:57 KizZBG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2006 07:49 GroT wrote:
lol everyone is taking this seriously


I'm not :p

Nice pic btw, love the Koreans.


*insert Hydralisk babble here*

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Canada723 Posts
November 30 2006 15:32 GMT
#46
Japan was completely rofl.
bludger
Profile Joined December 2006
Hungary2 Posts
December 01 2006 20:53 GMT
#47
I took the pic out for replays.hu, but not i made it, but i am sure it is not made for racist, so I think you see it wrong!
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
December 01 2006 21:30 GMT
#48
obviously, all the protoss were chinese
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
December 01 2006 22:38 GMT
#49
# bludger

It is just silly debate but it is still humorous. You made the picture? Were did you find it? Just curious.
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bludger
Profile Joined December 2006
Hungary2 Posts
December 01 2006 23:52 GMT
#50
I get it from my friend who, gets it from he's friend, so I don't no who made it...
x_woof_x
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States659 Posts
December 02 2006 00:58 GMT
#51
the scvs are mexican, thats why they are working , biuldnig, and mining minerals
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MyLittlePwny
Profile Joined July 2006
Canada171 Posts
December 02 2006 01:26 GMT
#52
The only racism is when i lose to a z. sergragation thx.
When all else fails, Blame the guy who cant speak english.
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