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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-26 23:23:37
November 25 2006 04:51 GMT
#1
Battle.net & its current state

Battle.net has been a key element in Blizzard's past success by keeping a loyal captive market. A free service and a healthy competition environment have been the ideal tools to foster the use and popularity of Battle.net. The two current alternatives have not managed to replace their original ladder. The number of Battle.net users has not grown despite the addition of new games, even if we include South Korea (the largest group of battle.net users) as it should have. The current service of their servers dedicated to StarCraft gives the appearance of lack of care and sloppiness.

When it comes to Blizzard, die fan hard and all, I always tried to stay on the Zen path and let them have it when they merited it but I failed most of the time since I have being at heart a passionate fan of their products and company. I have been for the most part biased even when I delude myself that I am criticizing them. Nevertheless I have been relatively benign for quite a while, so it is time now to stir up the rabble again, and recover the middle path.

So what is up with Battle.net for us StarCraft users? Exactly why do some games made, seem to never disappear for months? Is it a server bug? Or is it a new form of pointless abuse? Why the increasing numbers of "too many server requests" or "latency too high" notices when our numbers have not essentially changed? Why do I get a straight " Go to Jail " trip every time I press the current Battle.net ladder option? Why still no ladder still? Who is in charge of up-keeping Battle.net? Is it a one man team? They are against private servers in general, particularly if they are commercial, and yet every single successful private server has been because it had a successful ladder. They have three choices: to offer a decent ladder at Battle.net with a more aggressive anti-piracy/anti-abuse/cheating stance, or openly allow private servers to run commercially run ladders, and last but not least, perpetuate their current state of stagnation. With the first two they retain their loyal captive market, with the last option they lose it gradually as they have been doing.

How hard can it be to provide us with a decent ladder? We did it and almost on no resources and minimal man power. Why delegate the task to multiple partners all of which have no community support and have failed? The WCG Zone should have worked, but it was launched before it was ready. The initially bugs and initial difficulties turned almost everyone away. It was simply too complicated for many. They are backed by ICM/Smasung, offer decent prize money but somehow they missed the formula. I asked Fifo editor-in-chief why has WCG Zone not become successful in South Korea, his answer was a phlegamitc "no comment."

And what about WGTour, the other promise for a ladder alternative in Battle.net? Most know already my opinion on the matter. Why on earth would Blizzard delegate their ladder to amateurs that will invariably run it to the ground, "if" it ever manages to occur? They have a track record of endless staff abuse of their own system and their solution to any problem is almost invariably a site ban with years of clan-mentality harassment by their staff of who ever is foolish enough to complain. Bottom line their achievements were running an almost all manner vision ladder in their early years followed by a failed ladder almost as long as Blizzard's own. Sometimes I believe it was the ultimate Blizzard joke on us. They gave us our own chocolate.

Most of us have been patient waiting for Blizzard, and in the meanwhile buying most of their games. We complain every now and then but very few actually ever complain in a sensible matter even though if the occasional good points are raised. Check for example this latest rant by PepsiVsCoke, at Battle.net forums. The classic battle.boy angst outburst? Or calculated rude rant in hopes for reaction. No doubt we have been spoiled in that past and a culture of endowment has grown but even after 6 years of asking for a no cheating environment, or something close to it, and a decent ladder, nothing much as changed. I guess we should be content with what we have but it is aspiring for more, that makes us all better. It just kills me to see old games like CS keep growing and growing, that have no private server restrictions, dominating e-Sports outside South Korea. I love Blizzard, there I said it, but I want more, so sue me.

Battle.net is holy ground for Blizzard or at least it should be. It is the main reason, after making top quality games, of their massive success every time the publish a new title. The have a golden captive market that has remained loyal. Who? Battle.net users. The total numbers of Battle.net users, despite the addition of new games, has not grown as it should have. StarCraft specifically in the West has shrunk to a mere 17% (or less) of total StarCraft users (who are generally about a shrinking third of total Battle.net users). It is a free service after all and all its games are enjoyable. Why then the lack of growth?

Battle.net should always be running smoothly and it should be always with a limited and contained amount of abuse. Why? To keep their captive market happy and growing, to keep their games succesful and of course to keep selling their products. At least from a historical perspective but then, then came WoW. WoW has its own servers. Now they have a new captive market, far greater than all its previous games combined. Are we doomed? From a business perspective, and of course as a customer too, I still think it is well worth their money to continue up-keeping and servicing their old games with the same quality they run their newest products.

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Post dedicated to angst battle.boy, PepsiVsCoke.

From an article for StarCraft blog site: http://star-fire.ca/category/backfire/
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-25 05:04:47
November 25 2006 04:54 GMT
#2
Jesus christ, this is like...awesome. <3<3<3 Entropy! :D

Well I finish reading it, and I must say I am 100% with you. It is a shame that they are just not DOING anything against our bad and laggy servers, against hackers, against abuse and more. I really, really, want Blizzard to release a Ladder, where we all can play, to clean up the servers, and to Please, have a good amount of people to take care of our stuff.

I laughed when I saw PepsiVsCoke post, "Veta" tried to play the smart guy on the thread, and came up with some stupid shit..."Play games that take real skill like War3 or D2". Ha..Ha...Ha...Way to make me laugh.

We really, should get organized and invade the fuck out of Battle.net forums so they finally pay attention to us, and to What WE want.

Well written Entropy.<3
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
November 25 2006 05:02 GMT
#3
Nice post ^^;
good read
Official Entusman #21
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
November 25 2006 05:09 GMT
#4
ye very well written.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
November 25 2006 05:11 GMT
#5
Well Bnet for SC is so old now with no major revisions(The last one being the server split I guess, anyone remember how painful it was to have to log on 20 times back in the day to get on the same server with your friends?)

The lag issue is pretty inexcuseable, could be very easily fixed. I think Blizzard just never really had long term plans for SC being such a popular game and basically anyone who still plays are the ones who suffer for it.

HOWEVER basically no other RTS(That i have played) does it better than SC except for WC3. Its actually pretty sad when a big name RTS comes out and uses Gamespy as its matchmaking service, haaa.
Broom
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
November 25 2006 05:25 GMT
#6
Well, Im just thankful that they still support multiplayer this long. I cant think of another game company that supports their games more than Blizzard. Id like some of the changes you mentioned, but theyre mostly minor annoyances. The functionality of Battle.net is still there.
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DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
November 25 2006 05:30 GMT
#7
read somewhere in an old article that battle.net for starcraft/diablo/warcraft, etc, makes "decent" money through their advertising, so it's not like blizzard is putting any extra money in to keep it up
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
November 25 2006 05:44 GMT
#8
If you compare the support that blizzard gives to its games,it goes like this:

WoW:
WC3
D2 LOD
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Starcraft.

Like anybody else have said, if we had a ladder type like WC3 has, i believe much of us would be very very content, and the community would grow.


I think the community is dying mainly because there is no ladder to play. There are a lot of events, but they're really for entertainment and do not bring new users to play. People are getting frustrated of not finding games (like myself) constantly. Yes, i know, there are channels like clan x17, op tot), op tl-west blabla, yet if you want to go mass gaming, it is almost impossible, and more over, you are lucky if you find someone about your level.

Most people level are either very good players, or very newb
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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-25 05:48:37
November 25 2006 05:48 GMT
#9
your on a rampage physician =D

a good one at that!

keep em comin
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
November 25 2006 05:51 GMT
#10
Well written Physician.......good post.....I agree with it completely....Blizzard pays too much attention to its other games........we deserve better!
Huge iloveOov fan
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
November 25 2006 06:07 GMT
#11
eh, blizzard still is a business, and they are out to make money. i agree with you and all, but i can definitlely understand why they'd focus on their newer (more people buying) games than they would on the now 8 year old starcraft. plus, it's not like they've forgotten sc.. blizzcon? sandlot?
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
November 25 2006 06:09 GMT
#12
well done physician <3
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 25 2006 07:54 GMT
#13
I don't know what you're complaining about. The amount of money that Blizzard invests into Starcraft right now (something) is far greater than the amount of money that they get out of it currently (nothing). Witness Sandlot and patches 8 years after the game is released. Eight years! How many other companies do that? They do more than should be expected.
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
November 25 2006 07:58 GMT
#14
blizzard does make money off starcraft (battle.net) though
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2936 Posts
November 25 2006 08:04 GMT
#15
fuck why wont pgt come back, ntc is full of tosses that only 2 gate zealot regardless of map/position. the abyss has everyone packed into 1 channel.
Fuck KeSPA.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
November 25 2006 08:08 GMT
#16
seems to me they've just been scaling back bandwidth for sc on bnet for a while now. it's terrible in ways it never was in sc's heyday
when they really get to know you they will run
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2936 Posts
November 25 2006 08:21 GMT
#17
what ever happened to pgt anyways, i was away when it disapeared
Fuck KeSPA.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 25 2006 08:22 GMT
#18
On November 25 2006 17:21 oshibori_probe wrote:
what ever happened to pgt anyways, i was away when it disapeared


got hacked (((
sensitive subject.
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
November 25 2006 08:23 GMT
#19
eh why bother preaching to the choir
everyone knows this
Moderatorfollow me on twitter if u think ur so tough @BooyaCow
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2189 Posts
November 25 2006 08:24 GMT
#20
You can't really accuse Blizzard of neglecting SC when the latest patch came out *this year*.
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