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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
August 06 2025 13:00 GMT
#9761
On August 06 2025 20:43 TMNT wrote:
Were the organizers on crack or something? I guess this is what happens when you let one guy (who is not that competent anyway) decide all the groups and maps on his own preference.


are the groups handpicked? no rng at all?
Free Palestine
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
August 06 2025 13:39 GMT
#9762
On August 06 2025 22:00 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2025 20:43 TMNT wrote:
Were the organizers on crack or something? I guess this is what happens when you let one guy (who is not that competent anyway) decide all the groups and maps on his own preference.


are the groups handpicked? no rng at all?

Yes. Groups in ASL and qualifiers are always handpicked. Normally they do it to ensure a balanced distribution of PTZ in all groups.

No ideas how we have a 4Z group this time. Could have easily switched Bisu and a Terran in group B to group D so we can have a TTZZ and PTZZ group. Instead, you have PTTT and ZZZZ Genuinely baffling.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
August 06 2025 14:06 GMT
#9763
Pvz question: when did 1 gate FE become standard opening? I feel like it just didn’t exist basically in the kespa days.
Free Palestine
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8612 Posts
August 06 2025 14:27 GMT
#9764
Effort is with Best , Mind and some beautiful ladies! they have a lot of viewers and are receiving many donations !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey680 Posts
August 06 2025 15:39 GMT
#9765
On August 06 2025 23:06 Ideas wrote:
Pvz question: when did 1 gate FE become standard opening? I feel like it just didn’t exist basically in the kespa days.

Yes! That is what I mean.
Turrican
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey680 Posts
August 06 2025 15:42 GMT
#9766
On August 06 2025 22:39 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2025 22:00 Ideas wrote:
On August 06 2025 20:43 TMNT wrote:
Were the organizers on crack or something? I guess this is what happens when you let one guy (who is not that competent anyway) decide all the groups and maps on his own preference.


are the groups handpicked? no rng at all?

Yes. Groups in ASL and qualifiers are always handpicked. Normally they do it to ensure a balanced distribution of PTZ in all groups.

No ideas how we have a 4Z group this time. Could have easily switched Bisu and a Terran in group B to group D so we can have a TTZZ and PTZZ group. Instead, you have PTTT and ZZZZ Genuinely baffling.

Nothing wrong with PTTT. I love PvT. Also, last season Speed proved there was much to TvT we haven't ever seen, even Boxer days.
Turrican
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51576 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-06 22:53:23
August 06 2025 22:53 GMT
#9767
On August 06 2025 23:06 Ideas wrote:
Pvz question: when did 1 gate FE become standard opening? I feel like it just didn’t exist basically in the kespa days.


sometime during the post-kespa/ssl era, i'd say 2015-2016ish? thank bisu for popularizing it.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1112 Posts
August 07 2025 01:26 GMT
#9768
Pretty sure it's Mini
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
568 Posts
August 07 2025 03:01 GMT
#9769
bisu killed a lot of zergs just with the opening when he started streaming

mini perfected abusing the opening
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 07 2025 03:01 GMT
#9770
How about ramps with destructible objects? Kinda sad tight walls are a thing of the past now
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8612 Posts
August 07 2025 09:47 GMT
#9771
Tulbo vs Larva right now!

Effort is watching! Maybe we will have a K league later !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-07 10:17:45
August 07 2025 10:16 GMT
#9772
On August 06 2025 14:34 prosatan wrote:
We have ASL 20 RO 24 Groups !!

I will write them here , without spoilers. If you guys think i should use spoilers , tell me and i will edit them!

Group A: Sharp , Ample , Larva , Stork

Group B: JyJ , TY , Bisu , Speed

Group C: Mini , Saber , Soma , sSak

Group D: Queen , hyun , effort , calm

Group E: Rush , Paralyze , Jaedong , Mong

Group F: hero , BTS , Royal , Barracks


ugh, some of these groups might be among the worst ever made.
Group A is reasonable. makes Sense given their ASL points. But given their current shapes, anyone can win this group. Ample is in good shape, but Larva seems to be a slight bit behind where he should be, stork is stork, and Sharp I cant place at the moment because is not super active.

Group B is a set-up for Bisu to fail, but he might win. Speed and JyJ have great odds vs Bisu. TY is a downgrade Speed so not giving him very high odds.TY also not mega awesome at TvT whereas JyJ and Speed are.

Group C looks like a Mini and Soma victory pretty clean cut. SoMa is strongest in this group and should take it. He is an all rounder and excells at everything except odd timing all in builds. Mini's style works well vs ssak and saber. ssak is largely standard but sometimes tries to all in on odd timings, which Mini excells against, but SoMa is sometimes weak against. Saber is standard macro centric, which Mini, Soma and Ssak are good against.

Group D is a crime against humanity. They probably made this group purely because we had terran and protoss groups before, but no zerg group I am sure.

Group E could actually be a big surprise in the waiting. Paralyze is super aggressive and really good against standard Terran timing attacks. Paralyze has great fight control and shuttle templar play. Both Rush and Mong could get surprise defeated by this. Mong is a downgrade Rush. Similar styles but more prone to mistakes and oversights. Jaedong is good vs Paralyze but weak vs Rush, but should edge out over Mong. Probably Rush + any of the other three.

Group F appears pretty clean cut but actually is not. HerO appears like the clear best player, but both RoyaL and Barracks can pull off nasty TvZ games. BTS I am giving decent odds in ZvZ, but ZvT vs RoyaL and Barracks I am counting him out. Royal va Barracks is a 50/50 coin toss. Cant call this group yet tbh.

JDON MY SOUL!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
August 07 2025 10:28 GMT
#9773
The Barracks Killer game 1 from the ASL qualies is amazing



also lol shuttle never change
this is a quote
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey680 Posts
August 07 2025 10:36 GMT
#9774
On August 07 2025 19:28 goody153 wrote:
The Barracks Killer game 1 from the ASL qualies is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb0lEwA6iGc

also lol shuttle never change

Wow, Shuttle really pulled off a shuttle play there.
Turrican
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2440 Posts
August 07 2025 17:29 GMT
#9775
On August 06 2025 22:39 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2025 22:00 Ideas wrote:
On August 06 2025 20:43 TMNT wrote:
Were the organizers on crack or something? I guess this is what happens when you let one guy (who is not that competent anyway) decide all the groups and maps on his own preference.


are the groups handpicked? no rng at all?

Yes. Groups in ASL and qualifiers are always handpicked. Normally they do it to ensure a balanced distribution of PTZ in all groups.

No ideas how we have a 4Z group this time. Could have easily switched Bisu and a Terran in group B to group D so we can have a TTZZ and PTZZ group. Instead, you have PTTT and ZZZZ Genuinely baffling.


If I had to guess, they're trying to get more Protoss in the Ro16 by having zergs knock each other out.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8612 Posts
August 08 2025 09:06 GMT
#9776
Action is with Calm and JD and they are having a discussion ! Maybe it is an important one !!

Also, we have Zero vs Mini in a BO 7 (i think it is a chinese sponsor!)
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8612 Posts
August 09 2025 09:45 GMT
#9777
Flash vs Stork and Rain vs hero right now!!

Let's watch Flash back in action !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5358 Posts
August 09 2025 10:10 GMT
#9778
On August 09 2025 18:45 prosatan wrote:
Flash vs Stork and Rain

Easy win for Flash
FBH #1!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
August 10 2025 01:51 GMT
#9779
Does anyone know if the prelims for ASL are totally open? Like anyone can participate? Or do they have requirements?
Free Palestine
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51576 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-11 09:37:20
August 11 2025 09:36 GMT
#9780
you have to be in korea (or at least, be able to play your matches at tr24 low i.e. located in china/japan/eastern russia) and be able to make it to the offline event in the case you qualify. also i think you need to be over 18.
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