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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 11:31:22
August 04 2016 11:30 GMT
#2921
On July 26 2016 00:21 duke91 wrote:
After watching Jaedong vs Fantasy



why are queens not used more often? I get it that they are hard to handle, but usually there is not smooth transition of getting more and more queens to counter mass tanks transition. Usually zerg will just get at some point 20 queens at once. Isn't it better to get a slowly higher queen count?

We would have a Zerg style similar to sk terran, but now its SK zerg, with the zerg roaming around instead now and getting map control


Queens are a lot more vulnerable (since terran generally has more anti-air) and spawn broodling takes 150 mana instead of 75 like irradiate. Terran also doesn't have such key units like a single defiler aside from the first few tanks in their first tank push.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 12:00:59
August 04 2016 11:59 GMT
#2922
I think the main argument against queens is that using queens is hard. To make them cost efficient you have to put a lot of additional APM into it and most players just dont have that to spare. But if you have that extra bit of APM because you are just that awesome than you can totally go for it.

Most of the games where I saw queens being used they were awesome and totally dominated the fights. But there was also some games where the queens didnt do much and were just a wasted effort because the APM wasnt there.
I think it also depends on your opponent. Queens work well if your opponent plays slow and doesnt tax your multitasking too much with multi-pronged attacks and harassment.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
August 04 2016 12:26 GMT
#2923
I've always wondered if delayed defilers in favor of midgame army + ensnare is plausible as a go to strat. The basic premise is to keep tank numbers (so defilers won't be necessary too soon) in check if Terran chooses to pressure or keep him inside his base in fear of the former. Zerg will use many lings and expand behind the pressure.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
August 04 2016 13:02 GMT
#2924
Problem with staying long on lair is that when terran spots it (and it's easy to spot with a casual scan to check tech) terran can just wait untill he gets a critial mass of tanks/m&m and there is no way that zerg can break through.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
joust85
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada53 Posts
August 05 2016 01:53 GMT
#2925
Question:

Is the ASL basically the biggest broodwar tournament out there nowadays?
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
August 05 2016 02:17 GMT
#2926
On August 05 2016 10:53 joust85 wrote:
Question:

Is the ASL basically the biggest broodwar tournament out there nowadays?

Yes
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 06 2016 02:12 GMT
#2927
Day9 is streaming some brood war, explaining tricks and detailing some history as far as I can tell.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51078 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 06:45:13
August 06 2016 06:30 GMT
#2928
On August 06 2016 11:12 B-royal wrote:
Day9 is streaming some brood war, explaining tricks and detailing some history as far as I can tell.


you can chat with him right now on http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Classic BW VODs

or join TL discord and voice chat with him.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 06 2016 11:31 GMT
#2929
Does anybody still have that gif of bisu's units getting stuck on the ramp and where his pylons didn't gave power anymore?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51078 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 11:40:58
August 06 2016 11:39 GMT
#2930
On August 06 2016 20:31 sabas123 wrote:
Does anybody still have that gif of bisu's units getting stuck on the ramp and where his pylons didn't gave power anymore?

[image loading]

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 07 2016 08:49 GMT
#2931
On August 06 2016 20:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 20:31 sabas123 wrote:
Does anybody still have that gif of bisu's units getting stuck on the ramp and where his pylons didn't gave power anymore?

[image loading]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC6D9o0OmN8&feature=youtu.be&t=620

Thanks!
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
StarFoxeR
Profile Joined July 2016
68 Posts
August 07 2016 18:53 GMT
#2932
has anyone else felt like Zerg is more strenuous on keyboard hand than T and P? When I have to spam SD or S whatever early game I end up getting really sore. It seems less repetive with T so my hand hurts less. Anyone else have this issue or am I possibly doing something wrong for this to happen.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 07 2016 22:49 GMT
#2933
No this is normal. Only thing you can do is to play more. If you want a more relaxed playing, pick protoss. Requires the least amount of mechanics aside from pro level.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
August 10 2016 13:20 GMT
#2934
Been a while guys D: how are you all ? Guess what I am already graduated and working as a system engineer in a web hosting company and damn I have been gone for a long time. Also can't believe that sc bw hd remastered thread got shut down with the same old heated arguments that has been around for decades . Thing's around here doesn't change at all hehe. I am just glad BlinDy is still around not sure about other people though haha.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
August 10 2016 14:14 GMT
#2935
There actually hasn't been any heated arguments like in the BW HD thread for years. ^_^
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 10 2016 18:54 GMT
#2936
Apparently OGN is uploading a lot of old vods to their youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Pretty neat
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 19:35:56
August 10 2016 19:33 GMT
#2937
On August 11 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Apparently OGN is uploading a lot of old vods to their youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Pretty neat


I smell OSL in 2017 :D

Gonna post this on Reddit MUHAHAHA. Though I know I'll get ignored but meh.

Edit: Got ninjaed by 4 hours....
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 19:37:24
August 10 2016 19:35 GMT
#2938
On August 11 2016 04:33 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Apparently OGN is uploading a lot of old vods to their youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Pretty neat


I smell OSL in 2017 :D

Gonna post this on Reddit MUHAHAHA. Though I know I'll get ignored but meh.

It's actually on reddit already which is why i saw it

edit: not sure if this means anything, but even if it doesn't it's cool to have it (hopefully all of it) available online.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
August 10 2016 19:48 GMT
#2939
On August 11 2016 04:33 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Apparently OGN is uploading a lot of old vods to their youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Pretty neat


I smell OSL in 2017 :D

Gonna post this on Reddit MUHAHAHA. Though I know I'll get ignored but meh.

Edit: Got ninjaed by 4 hours....

I hope so. We're way overdue. I still have no clue why they haven't done it before. They've had the rights to hold Starcraft tournaments since 2014 but they havent' done anything outside of broadcasting the SonicTV Starleagues.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
August 10 2016 20:05 GMT
#2940
On August 11 2016 04:48 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 04:33 Wrath wrote:
On August 11 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Apparently OGN is uploading a lot of old vods to their youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVOngamenet/playlists?view=1&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

Pretty neat


I smell OSL in 2017 :D

Gonna post this on Reddit MUHAHAHA. Though I know I'll get ignored but meh.

Edit: Got ninjaed by 4 hours....

I hope so. We're way overdue. I still have no clue why they haven't done it before. They've had the rights to hold Starcraft tournaments since 2014 but they havent' done anything outside of broadcasting the SonicTV Starleagues.

As soon as you give them the needed 500k$ for running one I am sure they will gladly start a new Starleague.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
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