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SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
May 18 2012 14:50 GMT
#161
It's a shame they had to retire as they were up-and-coming players, but at least they played for the game that they truly loved and that is very respectful. GL to both
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
May 18 2012 15:54 GMT
#162
No Killer!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
May 18 2012 15:57 GMT
#163
brave never got to play another pvt
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
May 18 2012 22:07 GMT
#164
Really sad to see Brave leave, such an interesting player... But it doesn’t really come as a shock; they are forced to stop playing the game they love and have devoted so much time into. I expect a lot more of retirements before the full switch to SC2.
-_-
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
May 18 2012 22:32 GMT
#165
tiss sad. gonna miss these two.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
May 18 2012 23:47 GMT
#166
This hurts a lot. I followed every single Killer game I thought he was gonna be the future of Oz and perhaps even zerg. Now I know there is no future.
menaceko
Profile Joined May 2012
United States58 Posts
May 19 2012 00:04 GMT
#167
noooo Brave

nooooooooo
BW: Nal_rA, JangBi, Grape, Stork, Brave, Bisu, mini, Horang2, BeSt, Movie, Jaehoon, Pusan, Kal, Shuttle, Reach, Anytime SC2: PartinG, Squirtle. HerO, NonY, MaNa, MC, HuK, SaSe, WhiteRa, Genius, Inori, Oz, ToD, JYP, KilleR(SangHo), VINES, TAiLS, NaNiwa
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#168
Ah Killer ... I still remember when you were getting nuked by Boxer. You were supposed to be the heir to the Dong but things just didn't work out with Oz's dissolution. I was looking forward to seeing how Killer transitioned to SC2 but its better that he moves on and doesn't continue being a pro for a game I suspect he didn't like.
ellerina
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines452 Posts
May 19 2012 04:35 GMT
#169
I always thought they had real BW talent, sad to see them go.
Still round the corner there may wait , A new road or a secret gate /And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I /Shall take the hidden paths that run/West of the Moon, East of the Sun
NekoFlandre
Profile Joined March 2011
United States497 Posts
May 19 2012 04:54 GMT
#170
Wow, I didn't really expect this.

Farewell in your endevours!

Both of you had good games, be well.
Kitty Flandre....even more scary..
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
May 19 2012 05:03 GMT
#171
sad about retirements, i hope they find happiness in whatever they may do now, expecting a lot of retirements when the hybrid pl ends
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
May 19 2012 05:13 GMT
#172
MINIDONG NOOOOOO
Jaedong plz
googolplex
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States280 Posts
May 19 2012 06:11 GMT
#173
poor killer
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
May 19 2012 07:54 GMT
#174
Before T8 happened, Killer was starting to look good. Really good.

Good luck Killer and Brave!
May the BeSt man win.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
May 19 2012 10:15 GMT
#175
Brave??? He's decent.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 19 2012 12:01 GMT
#176
On May 19 2012 19:15 pyrogenetix wrote:
Brave??? He's decent.

I expect a lot of other decent players to retire. They've worked so hard breaking out making name for themselves, and now BAM new game. start over.
Air2gear
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
177 Posts
May 19 2012 12:12 GMT
#177
Ah shucks, I always rooted for Killer when he played.
Hope for the best for Killer and Brave.
SatelliteNoodles
Profile Joined June 2011
220 Posts
May 19 2012 12:21 GMT
#178
Minidong noooooooo!!!!!
GIVE ME COMMAND... - Yell0w ­­­
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 13:31:15
May 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#179
Damn, Killer never reached his potential for sure, and Brave prehaps even more so. I think any P with a good record in PvZ right from the beginning is worth watching out for imo. Damn Samsung had a really nice lineup of homegrown players starting to emerge before things got fucked up, i think in 1-2 seasons they may well have been top again.

I'm surprised there's not more retirements really, I expect a few more in the near future at least... does anyone think Jaedong for example, would have the motivation to learn a whole new game? He's looked like he's had enough for ages now, after the dual starleagues. It's a shame really, because as a big fan of him i think it's kinda sad how Flash is so much more revered when imo Jaedong at his peak was as good if not better. When did he last lose a series against a P, 2009? Has the second highest vT ELO despite it being the worst matchup statistically through almost the whole history of BW, no other Z comes close to some of the best ZvT he's shown. And vZ he managed to keep 80% for a long period, and still today 72% despite it being a 'coinflip', (even Calm once called it such). All this while everyone is targeting him specifically with abusive special builds.

Remember the ensnares vs Fantasy before queens were cool? dual stack mutalisks? turning an 0-2 final into 3-2, figuring out a counter-strategy on-the-fly.. meanwhile Flash loses a final being 2-0 up and then just repeats the 14CC ecocheese risk to beat Jaedong, knowing there's only early pool that can directly counter it and has no good follow up. 1rax CC vs 12hatch on a balanced map i would take JD any day. He's still 23-22 head-to-head vs Flash in spite of balance, sometimes downright awful maps and abusive TvZ strategies. Not to put down Flash at all. Just think JD has an edge. Bisu will not get as much credit as deserved either i suspect, unfortunately it's entirely his fault for that though.


ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
May 19 2012 15:12 GMT
#180
As much as I like both games it's stupid to incorporate 2 games in a league, Killer and Brave are up and coming hardworking players who don't have the star powers of Flash / Jaedong yet they're forced to practice a new game. Fucking stupid
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
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