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On August 30 2011 23:59 qazwsx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:Eh think i might get some hate mails for this one but to me this is kind of to be expected. I mean the influx of new players from the foreign scene to BW is probably about as close to zero as it gets. I assume that very few young koreans start to pick up BW today as well. Hence are the pro players that are playing BW are most probably the last generation pro BW players. Add to this that the falling numbers of viewers in Korea (so have I heard at least), and very much so in the rest of the world. I mean I know like 10 people that watch SC2 in Sweden, none of them watched BW before. So we end up with a finite number of players and a dropping interest from the world. In the other corner we have SC2 that are growing like a wet sponge in both interest and in amount of prize pools. Thus BW is living on borrowed time at is more a question of when rather then if BW is going down. Funny thing that the downfall of BW might to some extent actually threaten the development of SC2. If that BW players will dominate SC2 as much as many people believe (I have a more "I believe it when I see it approach") it will actually threaten the development of SC2 as the first large scale global esport. A sport where one country completely dominate all other countries have never and will never be great. Thus the last thing SC2 needs is for Korea to become even more dominating, especially now when Europe is starting (imho  ) to get at least a little bit closer to the Koreans. And although BW was large in Korea it really wasnt that great outside of it. I know this blasphemy according to the users of this forum but you might see that you are not to the most objective crowd in this matter. Given that this is the N1 (by far I would think) largest BW community in the foreign world. It is like going to Manchester City and argue that United is the better team User was temp banned for this post. How or why would you temp ban someone for expressing this? Did he hurt your fragile feelings because most of it is generally true? The gestapo mods of this site are the worst I've ever seen, many times I have failed to detect any reasonable rationale to most of their actions and the result is deterring people from posting what they think. This is a general problem with many of the people that run this site- arrogance and indifference to its users. Funnily enough, I only come here for broodwar, so once it dwindles I'll stick to GOM, MLG, wellplayed, S2casts etc- much more professional outfits with less ego crazy staff. Hopefully this site will eventually dissolve into a cultish elitist outback forum, while other sites begin to flourish. Fail mods are fail. I'm looking forward to the ban, I even registered for it :D xx
Because a lot of what was said was blatantly false and unfounded speculation. And no, not all opinions are ok. If TL just allows everyone to say whatever they want, we'd get a very messy forum with lots of vulgar and stupid posts. Maybe next time, he can think before he post.
And he also didn't read the mod note at the top.
It seems that someone has already reported your post before me D:
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BW is in a crisis, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's fading away.
I believe we are about to see some Epic PL competition, if teams disband and their players are properly drafted. For example, let's say Jaedong and Killer join Stars to create the super 4-zerg strategy. What if Baby and Sea Join Khan?
This could rise the level of competition, leading Proleague to be much more entertaining.
I think the future of BW in Korea depends on whether or not OGN can compete with other channels.
Hopefully they can destroy competition.
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On August 31 2011 00:10 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 23:59 qazwsx wrote:On August 30 2011 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:Eh think i might get some hate mails for this one but to me this is kind of to be expected. I mean the influx of new players from the foreign scene to BW is probably about as close to zero as it gets. I assume that very few young koreans start to pick up BW today as well. Hence are the pro players that are playing BW are most probably the last generation pro BW players. Add to this that the falling numbers of viewers in Korea (so have I heard at least), and very much so in the rest of the world. I mean I know like 10 people that watch SC2 in Sweden, none of them watched BW before. So we end up with a finite number of players and a dropping interest from the world. In the other corner we have SC2 that are growing like a wet sponge in both interest and in amount of prize pools. Thus BW is living on borrowed time at is more a question of when rather then if BW is going down. Funny thing that the downfall of BW might to some extent actually threaten the development of SC2. If that BW players will dominate SC2 as much as many people believe (I have a more "I believe it when I see it approach") it will actually threaten the development of SC2 as the first large scale global esport. A sport where one country completely dominate all other countries have never and will never be great. Thus the last thing SC2 needs is for Korea to become even more dominating, especially now when Europe is starting (imho ) to get at least a little bit closer to the Koreans. And although BW was large in Korea it really wasnt that great outside of it. I know this blasphemy according to the users of this forum but you might see that you are not to the most objective crowd in this matter. Given that this is the N1 (by far I would think) largest BW community in the foreign world. It is like going to Manchester City and argue that United is the better team User was temp banned for this post. How or why would you temp ban someone for expressing this? Did he hurt your fragile feelings because most of it is generally true? The gestapo mods of this site are the worst I've ever seen, many times I have failed to detect any reasonable rationale to most of their actions and the result is deterring people from posting what they think. This is a general problem with many of the people that run this site- arrogance and indifference to its users. Funnily enough, I only come here for broodwar, so once it dwindles I'll stick to GOM, MLG, wellplayed, S2casts etc- much more professional outfits with less ego crazy staff. Hopefully this site will eventually dissolve into a cultish elitist outback forum, while other sites begin to flourish. Fail mods are fail. I'm looking forward to the ban, I even registered for it :D xx Because a lot of what was said was blatantly false and unfounded speculation. And no, not all opinions are ok. If TL just allows everyone to say whatever they want, we'd get a very messy forum with lots of vulgar and stupid posts. Maybe next time, he can think before he post. And he also didn't read the mod note at the top. It seems that someone has already reported your post before me D:
It was the BW vs SC2 debate. Read the note at the top before unjustly assaulting moderators.
So sad to hear this, I hope the teams will survive this.
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RIP Oz 
Favorite team since I started watching BW =(((((((
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Really sad to see OZ go
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Wow... this is huge Where will Jaedong go?
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I don't watch BW anymore but still, it's sad to see it fading, I hope at the least they find new sponsors.
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On August 31 2011 00:37 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 00:10 Nemesis wrote:On August 30 2011 23:59 qazwsx wrote:On August 30 2011 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:Eh think i might get some hate mails for this one but to me this is kind of to be expected. I mean the influx of new players from the foreign scene to BW is probably about as close to zero as it gets. I assume that very few young koreans start to pick up BW today as well. Hence are the pro players that are playing BW are most probably the last generation pro BW players. Add to this that the falling numbers of viewers in Korea (so have I heard at least), and very much so in the rest of the world. I mean I know like 10 people that watch SC2 in Sweden, none of them watched BW before. So we end up with a finite number of players and a dropping interest from the world. In the other corner we have SC2 that are growing like a wet sponge in both interest and in amount of prize pools. Thus BW is living on borrowed time at is more a question of when rather then if BW is going down. Funny thing that the downfall of BW might to some extent actually threaten the development of SC2. If that BW players will dominate SC2 as much as many people believe (I have a more "I believe it when I see it approach") it will actually threaten the development of SC2 as the first large scale global esport. A sport where one country completely dominate all other countries have never and will never be great. Thus the last thing SC2 needs is for Korea to become even more dominating, especially now when Europe is starting (imho ) to get at least a little bit closer to the Koreans. And although BW was large in Korea it really wasnt that great outside of it. I know this blasphemy according to the users of this forum but you might see that you are not to the most objective crowd in this matter. Given that this is the N1 (by far I would think) largest BW community in the foreign world. It is like going to Manchester City and argue that United is the better team User was temp banned for this post. How or why would you temp ban someone for expressing this? Did he hurt your fragile feelings because most of it is generally true? The gestapo mods of this site are the worst I've ever seen, many times I have failed to detect any reasonable rationale to most of their actions and the result is deterring people from posting what they think. This is a general problem with many of the people that run this site- arrogance and indifference to its users. Funnily enough, I only come here for broodwar, so once it dwindles I'll stick to GOM, MLG, wellplayed, S2casts etc- much more professional outfits with less ego crazy staff. Hopefully this site will eventually dissolve into a cultish elitist outback forum, while other sites begin to flourish. Fail mods are fail. I'm looking forward to the ban, I even registered for it :D xx Because a lot of what was said was blatantly false and unfounded speculation. And no, not all opinions are ok. If TL just allows everyone to say whatever they want, we'd get a very messy forum with lots of vulgar and stupid posts. Maybe next time, he can think before he post. And he also didn't read the mod note at the top. It seems that someone has already reported your post before me D: It was the BW vs SC2 debate. Read the note at the top before unjustly assaulting moderators. So sad to hear this, I hope the teams will survive this.
He didn't bring up BW vs SC2 though... Just listed some facts(SC2 is growing) and then said how this BW decline could hurt SC2. I don't really understand why he was banned.
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Oh no.... BW's really hurting these days
But I don't wanna say farewell yet T.T
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Well its highly unlikely new sponsors will take over the existing teams so that means I can dream about JD teaming up with Flash or Bisu. JD+Flash would be so broken lol...
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On August 31 2011 00:55 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 00:37 DerNebel wrote:On August 31 2011 00:10 Nemesis wrote:On August 30 2011 23:59 qazwsx wrote:On August 30 2011 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:Eh think i might get some hate mails for this one but to me this is kind of to be expected. I mean the influx of new players from the foreign scene to BW is probably about as close to zero as it gets. I assume that very few young koreans start to pick up BW today as well. Hence are the pro players that are playing BW are most probably the last generation pro BW players. Add to this that the falling numbers of viewers in Korea (so have I heard at least), and very much so in the rest of the world. I mean I know like 10 people that watch SC2 in Sweden, none of them watched BW before. So we end up with a finite number of players and a dropping interest from the world. In the other corner we have SC2 that are growing like a wet sponge in both interest and in amount of prize pools. Thus BW is living on borrowed time at is more a question of when rather then if BW is going down. Funny thing that the downfall of BW might to some extent actually threaten the development of SC2. If that BW players will dominate SC2 as much as many people believe (I have a more "I believe it when I see it approach") it will actually threaten the development of SC2 as the first large scale global esport. A sport where one country completely dominate all other countries have never and will never be great. Thus the last thing SC2 needs is for Korea to become even more dominating, especially now when Europe is starting (imho ) to get at least a little bit closer to the Koreans. And although BW was large in Korea it really wasnt that great outside of it. I know this blasphemy according to the users of this forum but you might see that you are not to the most objective crowd in this matter. Given that this is the N1 (by far I would think) largest BW community in the foreign world. It is like going to Manchester City and argue that United is the better team User was temp banned for this post. How or why would you temp ban someone for expressing this? Did he hurt your fragile feelings because most of it is generally true? The gestapo mods of this site are the worst I've ever seen, many times I have failed to detect any reasonable rationale to most of their actions and the result is deterring people from posting what they think. This is a general problem with many of the people that run this site- arrogance and indifference to its users. Funnily enough, I only come here for broodwar, so once it dwindles I'll stick to GOM, MLG, wellplayed, S2casts etc- much more professional outfits with less ego crazy staff. Hopefully this site will eventually dissolve into a cultish elitist outback forum, while other sites begin to flourish. Fail mods are fail. I'm looking forward to the ban, I even registered for it :D xx Because a lot of what was said was blatantly false and unfounded speculation. And no, not all opinions are ok. If TL just allows everyone to say whatever they want, we'd get a very messy forum with lots of vulgar and stupid posts. Maybe next time, he can think before he post. And he also didn't read the mod note at the top. It seems that someone has already reported your post before me D: It was the BW vs SC2 debate. Read the note at the top before unjustly assaulting moderators. So sad to hear this, I hope the teams will survive this. He didn't bring up BW vs SC2 though... Just listed some facts(SC2 is growing) and then said how this BW decline could hurt SC2. I don't really understand why he was banned.
Because he insulted moderators, said TL was unprofessional and elitist, and didn't read the big warning at the top of the thread? Pretty obvious imo.
Regardless, if the players end up spreading around to different teams (this will likely happen for most of the good players), then we'll get some epic games for next season of proleague, every match will be like an ace match!
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Whichever team picks up JD will dominate PL/WL for sure.
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On August 31 2011 01:12 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 00:55 Kiyo. wrote:On August 31 2011 00:37 DerNebel wrote:On August 31 2011 00:10 Nemesis wrote:On August 30 2011 23:59 qazwsx wrote:On August 30 2011 21:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:Eh think i might get some hate mails for this one but to me this is kind of to be expected. I mean the influx of new players from the foreign scene to BW is probably about as close to zero as it gets. I assume that very few young koreans start to pick up BW today as well. Hence are the pro players that are playing BW are most probably the last generation pro BW players. Add to this that the falling numbers of viewers in Korea (so have I heard at least), and very much so in the rest of the world. I mean I know like 10 people that watch SC2 in Sweden, none of them watched BW before. So we end up with a finite number of players and a dropping interest from the world. In the other corner we have SC2 that are growing like a wet sponge in both interest and in amount of prize pools. Thus BW is living on borrowed time at is more a question of when rather then if BW is going down. Funny thing that the downfall of BW might to some extent actually threaten the development of SC2. If that BW players will dominate SC2 as much as many people believe (I have a more "I believe it when I see it approach") it will actually threaten the development of SC2 as the first large scale global esport. A sport where one country completely dominate all other countries have never and will never be great. Thus the last thing SC2 needs is for Korea to become even more dominating, especially now when Europe is starting (imho ) to get at least a little bit closer to the Koreans. And although BW was large in Korea it really wasnt that great outside of it. I know this blasphemy according to the users of this forum but you might see that you are not to the most objective crowd in this matter. Given that this is the N1 (by far I would think) largest BW community in the foreign world. It is like going to Manchester City and argue that United is the better team User was temp banned for this post. How or why would you temp ban someone for expressing this? Did he hurt your fragile feelings because most of it is generally true? The gestapo mods of this site are the worst I've ever seen, many times I have failed to detect any reasonable rationale to most of their actions and the result is deterring people from posting what they think. This is a general problem with many of the people that run this site- arrogance and indifference to its users. Funnily enough, I only come here for broodwar, so once it dwindles I'll stick to GOM, MLG, wellplayed, S2casts etc- much more professional outfits with less ego crazy staff. Hopefully this site will eventually dissolve into a cultish elitist outback forum, while other sites begin to flourish. Fail mods are fail. I'm looking forward to the ban, I even registered for it :D xx Because a lot of what was said was blatantly false and unfounded speculation. And no, not all opinions are ok. If TL just allows everyone to say whatever they want, we'd get a very messy forum with lots of vulgar and stupid posts. Maybe next time, he can think before he post. And he also didn't read the mod note at the top. It seems that someone has already reported your post before me D: It was the BW vs SC2 debate. Read the note at the top before unjustly assaulting moderators. So sad to hear this, I hope the teams will survive this. He didn't bring up BW vs SC2 though... Just listed some facts(SC2 is growing) and then said how this BW decline could hurt SC2. I don't really understand why he was banned. Because he insulted moderators, said TL was unprofessional and elitist, and didn't read the big warning at the top of the thread? Pretty obvious imo. Regardless, if the players end up spreading around to different teams (this will likely happen for most of the good players), then we'll get some epic games for next season of proleague, every match will be like an ace match!
Uh yeah, it's so obvious that you are wrong and painted yourself into a corner. The poster insulting the mods where, to my knowledge not banned. The person the "mod insulter" quoted was hit by the banhammer. Mkay?
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Next year that we are seen gosu playing is something too far ,isn't it ?
I wanna cry now T-T Please ,it don't happen with KHAN
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NOOOOOOOOO!!!! What am I going to do with my totally sweet hwaseung jacket? I think I'll add it to the broodwar shrine I've made in my closet.
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Oh man
What will happen to our Tyrant
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I lol'd pretty hard at the "Flash is ruining esports" spoiler though.
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FLASH IS RUINING ESPORTS
Everything makes sense now! :D
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August is the worst month every year . Why are all the bad news always coming in august? .
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