Remember when Flash said he will announce something important after the finals? Well, he couldn't wait that long.
KT revealed that Flash will go for surgery for his wrist injury.
Since March, Flash started to complain about the pain in his wrist. After going through several MRI scans, the cause of the pain is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, which can be eliminated through nerve decompression(?) surgery.
For the sake of Flash's wrist injury, KT looked for the best treatment center in Korea and even brought along a personal physiotherapist to Shanghai for the recent canceled SPL Finals.
After returning from China, Flash went to the hospital again to receive treatment. Doctor said if Flash increases his practice time, his pain will increase as well. The best solution for him to get rid of the pain is undergo surgery.
After thinking thoroughly about the suggestion, Flash decided to undergo surgery after SPL Finals and OSL.
Flash said, "There was a period that the pain caused too difficult to pick up a mouse. The team has been giving me support and even though I've been receiving treatment, the pain is still there whenever I play. After considering for quite some time, in order to maintain my career as a progamer, I decided to go for surgery.
It is reported that, it will take about 30 to 40 days to recover after the surgery. Flash will be getting treatment along and will be in his best condition to welcome '11-'12 season.
Flash：Not retiring!
Flash's announcement left people bewildered for he said "We must win for a reason". [SPL Finals] Finally, the answer is revealed.
Many people wonders if Flash going to retire after the finals. On the 12th August, KT told us that,"In order for Flash to continue his career, he will undergo surgery for his wrist."
Flash will schedule his surgery after SPL and OSL.
The fans are glad to hear that Flash is not retiring and they wish Flash to have a smooth surgery.
So this is why he's been shaky recently... Well, I expected that... too bad. If this surgery will make him play less and worse, what if he loses the game pace? I will be very very upset, come back soon Flash.
On August 12 2011 18:46 BearStorm wrote: Oh wow, I wonder how risky the operation is. If it is safe and effective, then why wasn't the surgery an automatic decision?
Because he had too much invested in the current season to take surgery immediately.
I apologize in bringing SC2 into the BW forums but I was wondering if it was possible for TLO himself to take this surgery as well? Since he does have Carpel Tunnel himself.
My dad had surgery for CTS about 15 years ago and hasn't had any problems since. I don't know anything about how it works or risks, I assume its generally considered a very last resort because of the recovery time.
Best of luck to him, a month playing practicing very little or not at all must be torture for a guy as competitive as him.
On August 12 2011 18:51 Kaoriyu wrote: I apologize in bringing SC2 into the BW forums but I was wondering if it was possible for TLO himself to take this surgery as well? Since he does have Carpel Tunnel himself.
I dont think it was as severe as Flashs.
I hope he recovers quickly and without problems, I like having a person you can always know will probably take games (mostly for my liquibets lol) and having a player to use as a measure for how good the other players are more easily. I do feel however that I dont think we´ll see Flash domination for at least half a year after this.
On August 12 2011 18:51 Kaoriyu wrote: I apologize in bringing SC2 into the BW forums but I was wondering if it was possible for TLO himself to take this surgery as well? Since he does have Carpel Tunnel himself.
Yes i think TLO can go for the surgery if he wanted to do so .
@_@ I kind of don't even want him to wait until after the next few games. If it's really that serious where it's super fucking painful to even move a mouse why would he try to at all? Just go get the surgery and sit out the next few months. It'll suck hard to see the pain on his face during the games.
Reading through some stuff about CTS surgery, some interesting reports
It is not uncommon for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Symptoms to return within two years of surgery, even when surgery goes well, if repetitive stress activities continue through routine use of a person's hands at work or at home. When Symptoms return, hand surgeons will consider performing a second surgery, but will not perform a third surgery. Medical text books advise against more than two surgeries for CTS.
Carpal Tunnel Surgery is not a permanent fix.
Peak improvement (the best level of improvement a patient can reach) may take a long time (up to 10 months).
Hopefully Flash takes good care of himself after the surgery and improves his hand posture and all that to prevent a repeated injury.
Good, the early rounds of next season hardly matter so long as Flash retains his career. He has the chance to win dual starleague and proleague finals with his team, and any of the 3 will be a major deal.
On August 12 2011 19:01 xBillehx wrote: @_@ I kind of don't even want him to wait until after the next few games. If it's really that serious where it's super fucking painful to even move a mouse why would he try to at all? Just go get the surgery and sit out the next few months. It'll suck hard to see the pain on his face during the games.
He's probably sticking to the moto " No Pain , No Gain " truly a terminator in disguise . LEE YOUNG HO
Mmm, I don't want to come off as a pessimist and I'm definitely not a doctor, but I have severe CTS and when I went in, they told me the recovery process would be about 6 months of wearing a wrist brace, and some patients never recover completely. I'm sure those cases are rare, but still, 30 days sounds like a very short recovery time for him to be at his best.
Congratulations on your first translation :D you did a great job, and I'm glad that this was the news and not that he would be taking 6-12 months off to rest up. I want to see someone win that platinum mouse haha
Yeah, heard about the news from WaxAngel and talked about it in the other thread also. Thanks to Wax though!
Great news indeed. Broodwar cannot lose icon/player like Flash right now. And i'm sure he will be top notch after the recovery. All i hope is that it won't happen again after the surgery and recovery.
I'm glad this is taking place! simply put, the competitiveness of the BW scene would suffer with Flash's exit, the modern day terran throne can have no other :D thanks for this info!
This is awesome news! It seemed pretty unlikely that Flash would retire, but confirming it is great and in my totally ignorant opinion, getting the surgery to permanently deal with his wrist problem is the best solution long term. Fighting!
On August 12 2011 20:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I wonder how Flash's wrist is doing currently considering it got to the point that he could barely pick up a mouse. SPL GF and OSL is no joke!
And is it confirmed that he is dropping out of the MSL?
Anyways, definitely good news regardless! Flash Fighting!
On August 12 2011 20:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I wonder how Flash's wrist is doing currently considering it got to the point that he could barely pick up a mouse. SPL GF and OSL is no joke!
And is it confirmed that he is dropping out of the MSL?
Anyways, definitely good news regardless! Flash Fighting!
On August 12 2011 20:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I wonder how Flash's wrist is doing currently considering it got to the point that he could barely pick up a mouse. SPL GF and OSL is no joke!
And is it confirmed that he is dropping out of the MSL?
Anyways, definitely good news regardless! Flash Fighting!
On August 12 2011 20:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I wonder how Flash's wrist is doing currently considering it got to the point that he could barely pick up a mouse. SPL GF and OSL is no joke!
And is it confirmed that he is dropping out of the MSL?
Anyways, definitely good news regardless! Flash Fighting!
On August 12 2011 20:39 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: And is it confirmed that he is dropping out of the MSL?
The current MSL will continue in October, so assuming he gets the surgery at the end of this month, I'd say maybe. It depends on the recovery time but if it's only 30 days, he should be fine by then.
I thought they said he didn't have carpal tunnel... :[...
Surgery is hit or miss, for some people it can cure CTS forever, and for others it just gives relief before it relapses (could be 2 years, 5, 10, etc.). Given Flash's rigorous training schedule this will only prolong his progaming career shortly, but I feel it will ultimately force him into retirement. Best of luck to Flash.
lol i can't believe you guys bought this bullshit ...
it's obvious that Flash needs to replace his current mechanical arm since it's been reaching its expiry date ... carpel tunnel? lol yea right ...
this korean dude i know who works in the auto-robotic industry risked his life to leak out this picture, rumors have it that this is gonna be Flash's new arm ...
another interesting fact when Flash stating that he would not retire, who in his right (read: human) mind would do that when he's got all the fame and money? you might have missed this tiny detail, but in fact, it tells us all about who Flash really is ...
On August 12 2011 22:24 nayumi wrote: lol i can't believe you guys bought this bullshit ...
it's obvious that Flash needs to replace his current mechanical arm since it's been reaching its expiry date ... carpel tunnel? lol yea right ...
this korean dude i know who works in the auto-robotic industry risked his life to leak out this picture, rumors have it that this is gonna be Flash's new arm ...
another interesting fact when Flash stating that he would not retire, who in his right (read: human) mind would do that when he's got all the fame and money? you might have missed this tiny detail, but in fact, it tells us all about who Flash really is ...
Thank god he's going for surgery, the question of if he'll still be competitive to his peers after a 40day break is an entirely different one. However, Flash' star sense is not something that's going to disappear in the blink of an eye, so we can all believe in his strong recovery and domination! (So JD, you have 40DAYS TO WIN AN MSL COME ON!)
I did not know Flash's wrist problems were THAT bad -_-
sucks... the fact that you're getting surgery means that it's the last resort. I can't believe he's been surviving and doing well in everything despite this. amazing.
He could use this time of recovery to analyze other progamers' games, looking for the big picture instead of just practicing in a semi-mechanical manner.
On August 12 2011 18:52 heyoka wrote: My dad had surgery for CTS about 15 years ago and hasn't had any problems since. I don't know anything about how it works or risks, I assume its generally considered a very last resort because of the recovery time.
Best of luck to him, a month playing practicing very little or not at all must be torture for a guy as competitive as him.
Assuming it's a work related injury like Flash's, did your dad continue doing the same thing after his surgery?
Thank god the bonjwa stays. And ya he sure is gonna go play SC2 and get bored to death because there's like nothing to do for somebody as fast as him. *shrug*
I have doubts about that 30-40 days number...Flash might be out of it for 3 months or so. He's gonna have a lot of catching up to do when he comes back, I hope it goes well.
TY translation. This is great news. Flash will get healthy and Bisu might be able to take #1 PR in his downtime lol. But seriously, I hope Flash returns 100% from surgery so you have my best wishes Flash!
Never believed that he would retire/switch to Starcraft's sequel, personally i thought he would need a longer break for recovery, but if its 1-2 months then its ok, its Flash himself after all.
Only thing that really concerns me is what littlefighter already mentioned, and that he may further injure himself in practicing for the upcoming events. These are high-tension environments for him... also, when will the OSL conclude? If Flash is going to get the surgery until after all of that, and we assume that he goes to the finals, that's still a pretty long period of time before he receives the surgery right? :S
Even though I'm a big SC racist and hate terran. I hope he comes through his surgery stronger so I can continue disliking him(winning everything) with a vengeance, without Flash it just won't be the same.
It's weird saying wrist surgury is good news, but I'm excited that he isn't retiering. The translation lead me to believe though that he will be dropping out of the MSL though?
This sounds like standard PR. CTS surgery takes months to recover from, if at all. Them saying "he should be ready to play 30 days after" is the absolute best case scenario, but the high likelihood is that when he starts playing en masse again, the problem will come back :\
On August 13 2011 03:50 rift wrote: This sounds like standard PR. CTS surgery takes months to recover from, if at all. Them saying "he should be ready to play 30 days after" is the absolute best case scenario, but the high likelihood is that when he starts playing en masse again, the problem will come back :\
So the surgery doesn't also prevent a future problem, and it can redevelop if he continues his rigorous practicing and schedule? That's absolutely terrible if true.
And also, somebody already ask, but is there any confirmation that he will indeed drop out of the MSL?
Oh nice, maybe he can switch to SC2 after surgery. Can't wait to see him there. Does this mean that OSL and MSL will be postponed, or will he drop out.
it's so unfortunate that he's so young and in order to continue working, to continue his career, he needs SURGERY.. we just aren't evolved for computers 'n stuff.
all the best flash, I am really excited to be able to see you continue playing, just take it easy.
On August 12 2011 18:52 heyoka wrote: Best of luck to him, a month playing practicing very little or not at all must be torture for a guy as competitive as him.
Yea... hope he takes that recovery time seriously so he doesn't mess up the healing process.. Flash hwaeeting T_T
On August 13 2011 03:50 rift wrote: This sounds like standard PR. CTS surgery takes months to recover from, if at all. Them saying "he should be ready to play 30 days after" is the absolute best case scenario, but the high likelihood is that when he starts playing en masse again, the problem will come back :\
So the surgery doesn't also prevent a future problem, and it can redevelop if he continues his rigorous practicing and schedule? That's absolutely terrible if true.
And also, somebody already ask, but is there any confirmation that he will indeed drop out of the MSL?
That depends on WHAT causes the carpal tunnel syndrome in the first place, and what procedure they elect to do. But yes, relapse is quite possible.
You are going to have surgery The recent media reports on my wrist situation were not very accurate. If I do not have surgery, my hand will never be cured, so surgery is the only option. I was suppose to have the surgery earlier, but many things has happened and the date keeps getting pushed back, also because I was still confident in my skills. But things have gotten worst. When I told my doctor "it's affecting my skill level" the doctor immediately suggested that I should have surgery, he said he was waiting for me to say that(T/N: ??? Doctor seem to worry about Flash's skill level?). If the surgery is successful, I will be able to play BW with 100% power*. The doctor is highly regarded in this field, the chances are high.
*he said in another part of the interview that he is current running on 70-80% power due to wrist.
Anything to say to the fans? Doctor said my surgery can be successful, but it can also fail. No matter what the surgery is, the mental strength of the patient is the most important. I want to play bw again asap, fans don't worry too much. Trust me. I believe everything will be ok.
Flash also revealed that he was in his BEST shape for over a year during the Shanghai 2011 Final.
He also said that he has greatly improved his TvP match up. (This is his worst match up with only 70% win rate ^.^)
As long as he keeps his apm up with his left hand, during recovery a smooth transition wont be bad . He's just gonna have to practice hard with his right hand when he gets back
This is making me kinda nervous, I hope it all goes well and he returns to the top tier of gods. Lets just hope that in 6 months hes back to poundin brewskies with Thor and zeus
I consider this good news, such surgeries tend to have very good results - with full recovery in most cases. It depends on the case, but I'm sure Flash's team has secured for him the best medical testing, to conclude that it's the right approach. Hopefully he will be back before long in full power.
We have to win for a reason? I don't see a real reason here except winning for the sake of winning. Plus I always figured that Flash would get surgery on his wrist, and I'm sure I'm not alone here. So...what did Flash really "reveal"?
On August 12 2011 18:52 heyoka wrote: Best of luck to him, a month playing practicing very little or not at all must be torture for a guy as competitive as him.
I've gotta agree to this, but I believe if anyone has the mental discipline to handle what Flash is going through, it's Flash himself. If I remember correctly almost every progamer has retired after experiencing wrist problems, e.g. iloveoov and ggplay I think? Sometimes, the hardest workout is the one you don't do.
All the best to him, I hope this isn't the beginning of his decline though even though I admit I'm sick of seeing him dominate absolutely everyone for the past 2 years.
Recovery doesn't seem THAT long honestly. I wouldn't be able to imagine a long period of time with such domination suddenly missing. I hope all goes well with the surgery.
On August 13 2011 12:29 sCfO20 wrote: If Flash can't compete after his surgery, there's always room for him in SC2.
Requires a lot less APM, and is arguably much easier.
Just sayin...
You know, it's posts like this that make BW fans dislike SC2 fans. I know you're really into your game, but put yourself in our shoes. Imagine every time there was a thread about a SC2 player you really liked, some random person coming in saying "he should just switch to LoL." Turns out, that's pretty much what happens over here, be it a post game interview or a retirement announcement.
I know, here you have a marginally more legit point, since there is at least some chance that the surgery won't take and he won't be able to play BW at a high level any more. At the same time, when a large portion of the BW community has been following this story for months, fretting about whether or not one of the greatest players to ever play the game is going to be forced to retire for medical reasons, it's pretty damn insensitive to come into a thread that has the first good news about him in weeks and suggest he stop playing the game we love.
I really hope the surgery goes well and that he can come back to pro gaming in full form. I also hope that he can play the FPL finals without too much pain. Can't imagine that pressure + the pain at the same time. It must be insane.
On August 12 2011 18:51 Kaoriyu wrote: I apologize in bringing SC2 into the BW forums but I was wondering if it was possible for TLO himself to take this surgery as well? Since he does have Carpel Tunnel himself.
Dario is doing well again without Surgery :-)
I suspect there is a lot more BW / SC2 players who have RSI or CTS than publically known. Unless it gets too severe people tend to just ignore it (which isn't smart in hindsight)
On August 13 2011 12:29 sCfO20 wrote: If Flash can't compete after his surgery, there's always room for him in SC2.
Requires a lot less APM, and is arguably much easier.
Just sayin...
You know, it's posts like this that make BW fans dislike SC2 fans. I know you're really into your game, but put yourself in our shoes. Imagine every time there was a thread about a SC2 player you really liked, some random person coming in saying "he should just switch to LoL." Turns out, that's pretty much what happens over here, be it a post game interview or a retirement announcement.
I know, here you have a marginally more legit point, since there is at least some chance that the surgery won't take and he won't be able to play BW at a high level any more. At the same time, when a large portion of the BW community has been following this story for months, fretting about whether or not one of the greatest players to ever play the game is going to be forced to retire for medical reasons, it's pretty damn insensitive to come into a thread that has the first good news about him in weeks and suggest he stop playing the game we love.
As I like watching great play, I love watching Flash play, I think he is extremely entertaining, I would be very sad to see him gone. But when you see how good he is in his current diminished form, I trust him to come back as strong as ever. He's among the three best strategic mind in bw, and with his competitive spirit, I don't see that changing because of a few months stop. Hope he does win that OSL ! (and that KT wins PL finals, but that's something else^^ )
And lol @ the few (at least they seem less numerous this time) sc2 people hoping for it to have real consequences so that Flash switches... (that's a bit like... egocentric you know ?) Shows how much they respect their scene... Pretty funny when you see the reactions to "The elephant in the room"...
On August 13 2011 12:29 sCfO20 wrote: If Flash can't compete after his surgery, there's always room for him in SC2.
Requires a lot less APM, and is arguably much easier.
Just sayin...
You know, it's posts like this that make BW fans dislike SC2 fans. I know you're really into your game, but put yourself in our shoes. Imagine every time there was a thread about a SC2 player you really liked, some random person coming in saying "he should just switch to LoL." Turns out, that's pretty much what happens over here, be it a post game interview or a retirement announcement.
I know, here you have a marginally more legit point, since there is at least some chance that the surgery won't take and he won't be able to play BW at a high level any more. At the same time, when a large portion of the BW community has been following this story for months, fretting about whether or not one of the greatest players to ever play the game is going to be forced to retire for medical reasons, it's pretty damn insensitive to come into a thread that has the first good news about him in weeks and suggest he stop playing the game we love.
Just sayin...
stop beeing a drama queen... really
It has nothing to do with being a drama queen next time i see a sc2 player for what ever reasons retire i am going to go OH LOL He is going to LoL after all he can earn his money now in lol sucks to be a sc2 fan though since your players now are now changing games ? I think i am going to do that now from now on fight fire with fire . Wait let me change lol to Dota 2 after all it has going bigger in terms of fan base when it releases ^^.
I wish Flash a speedy recovery and hope he can remain the god of Brood War.
But I'm worried. There is this nagging concern in the back of my mind that, even if nothing goes wrong, he won't be the Elder God the scene knows and loves when he comes back.
Probably unfounded. He needs the surgery. I will be glad when 2012 comes and my worries are proven silly.
Well it's good that Flash is having his problem fixed before it got too out of hand. Glad he's not retiring. It's too bad he won't be around to play in the last MSL. Would have been a fitting way to end it all, with Flash becoming the only player to ever win a 4th MSL.
On August 14 2011 01:39 red4ce wrote: Well it's good that Flash is having his problem fixed before it got too out of hand. Glad he's not retiring. It's too bad he won't be around to play in the last MSL. Would have been a fitting way to end it all, with Flash becoming the only player to ever win a 4th MSL.
On August 14 2011 01:39 red4ce wrote: Well it's good that Flash is having his problem fixed before it got too out of hand. Glad he's not retiring. It's too bad he won't be around to play in the last MSL. Would have been a fitting way to end it all, with Flash becoming the only player to ever win a 4th MSL.
beesuit maybe now? XD
Oh crap that's right if Bisu wins he'll have a 4th MSL title. GO JAEDONG!
On August 12 2011 18:51 Kaoriyu wrote: I apologize in bringing SC2 into the BW forums but I was wondering if it was possible for TLO himself to take this surgery as well? Since he does have Carpel Tunnel himself.
CTS surgery usually isn't really an option unless the person still has consistent pain and discomfort for a while, usually a few months. Surgery is usually a good option however for someone like Flash, who probably has CTS pretty severely, because the surgery itself is generally very effective. The reason it is considered a last option however is because a lot of people can have a CTS flair up where they can return to normal in up to a week or so if they just do some basic relaxation and stretches before use of the wrists. But when the nerve is unable to be relieved through non-surgical practices and still causes heavy discomfort and pain for an extended series of weeks then it is probably best to just get surgery.
Best of luck to Flash. hope he has a very speedy recovery!
Props to Flash for his huge passion, willing to keep playing even after surgery. Unlike many other progamers, Flash is still at an age when he can choose to take another path and the intelligence to follow that through and succeed.
I wish him speedy recovery.
Oh the other hand, good news for Bisu. Bisu for 4th MSL, kk?
On August 14 2011 06:19 nodule wrote: This is bad. Carpal Tunnel surgery takes a long time to recover from, and is usually a temporary solution at best
Not true. CTS surgery usually needs no more than 12 weeks to recover from, most of the time a lot less depending on the severity of the CTS. Also the surgery is the best long term solution. Most people who get this surgery never have a reoccurred of CTS related problems. CTS surgery is absolutely not 'a temporary solution at best".
That article is an interview of flash and he talks about doing the surgery after osl and spl. He mentioned the surgeon is famous and he is hopeful about the surgery and asks that fans believe in him.
Also something about only being at 70-80% right now and 100% after the surgery.
I feel this surgery is a long time coming for him, I'm happy he's found a doctor that has properly diagnosed his problem. Wishing for a speedy recovery post surgery, fighting~!
I know exactly the pain he's going through. Loving gaming and not being able to move the mouse or hit my hotkeys without experiencing incredible pain is very scary. My recovery time was a month each for both of the times it happened to me, I did not get surgery because I couldn't afford it. I hope Flash recovers quickly.
On August 14 2011 07:49 dukethegold wrote: So it indeed is carpal tunnel!
Props to Flash for his huge passion, willing to keep playing even after surgery. Unlike many other progamers, Flash is still at an age when he can choose to take another path and the intelligence to follow that through and succeed.
I wish him speedy recovery.
Oh the other hand, good news for Bisu. Bisu for 4th MSL, kk?
What? "unlike many other"?
Flash is at the age of 20, and all pro gamers are at age range of 15-30 which is all the way through still the age when people can choose to take another path and be intelligent to follow that through and succeed. For an example many people have gone to med school as way older than 30 and been succesful doctors, its all about will to act.
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