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United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 08:08:19
May 12 2011 07:35 GMT
#1
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Thanks to disciple for the banner!


Apologies again for the lack of a real MSL post yet--unfortunately, the Elephant in the Room just came out, and we need it to get its proper front-page time... so MSL post will be delayed until after today's games. Ah well. (By the way, read the article! I'm sure a lot of BW fans will appreciate its points. Also intrigue is cool.)

For some reason, the Ro8 of the MSL is still in split format. No clue why. The winner of Jaedong vs Grape plays the winner of Calm vs ZerO, and the winner of Mind vs Hydra plays the winner of Leta vs Flash. Here's to some great games!




Match A:
(Z)Jaedong <La Mancha> (P)Grape
(Z)Jaedong <Monte Cristo> (P)Grape
(Z)Jaedong <Dante's Peak SE> (P)Grape
(Z)Jaedong <Circuit Breaker> (P)Grape
(Z)Jaedong <La Mancha> (P)Grape

Set 1 on May 12, 1800 KST
Rest on May 19, 1800 KST

Jaedong ZvP
Overall: 146-66 (68.87%)
Last 10: 5-5 (L W L W L W W W L L)

Grape PvZ
Overall: 6-2 (75.00%)
Last 10: 6-2 (W W L W L W W W)

Head-to-head: Jaedong 0-0 Grape


       First up is the Tyrant, current #1 KeSPA and Power Rank, against the dark horse, up-and-coming Stork protégé Grape. At a glance, Grape looks like a pushover--some noob Toss from Samsung (whose P line is hardly known for their PvZ... though actually Brave is not too bad at PvZ!) But Grape's vZ is actually no joke: a 6-2 record in Proleague and quite a few wins over Zergs in offline prelims. ...OK, I guess that's a joke when we're talking about Jaedong. Still, Jaedong's last few ZvPs have been a tiiiiiny bit worrying: his last win with a management ZvP was against Snow in an admittedly awesome game. It's not to say that early aggression doesn't win games--it's pretty popular in ZvP for a reason!--and losing to Bisu's PvZ is not exactly embarrassing, but the loss to Horang2 was a bit questionable.

Actually, who am I kidding? As much as I like Grape, he doesn't have a ghost of a chance at taking the series. The last Protoss in this MSL has some bleak prospects. I hope he sneaks a win, though, or Horang2 might be having a few words with him.

Prediction: Jaedong 3-1 Grape





Match B:
(Z)Calm <Circuit Breaker> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Calm <La Mancha> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Calm <Monte Cristo> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Calm <Dante's Peak SE> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Calm <Circuit Breaker> (Z)ZerO

Set 1 on May 12, 1800 KST
Rest on May 21, 1700 KST

Calm ZvZ
Overall: 76-61 (55.47%)
Last 10: 5-5 (W L L W W L L W L W)

ZerO ZvZ
Overall: 79-79 (50.00%)
Last 10: 5-5 (L L W L W L W L W W)
Head-to-head: Calm 4-3 ZerO


       These two both won ZvZs to get here, and get to play another one. Joy. I'm sure we're all ready for another Bo5 of exhilarating muta/ling micro and mind games, only to be followed by the remainder of a TvT Bo5. Sarcasm (or not?) aside, these two are probably the most successful non-JD, non-EffOrt Zergs of the last two and a half years. Of course, "successful" doesn't necessarily mean "consistent"--Calm/Clam duality and ZerO's impressive "beat Bisu, lose to Jaehoon" jump to mind. But guess what? Calm has now qualified for the quarterfinals of 5 of the last 6 MSLs (including a championship) and the semifinals of 2 of the last 4 OSLs, while ZerO will have appeared in 4 of the last 7 MSL quarterfinals and 3 of the last 5 OSL semifinals. That's success if I ever saw it. ZerO's also overcome his "Ro8 curse" with his entrance into his second Ro4 in the last MSL.

Achievements aside, this is ZvZ. Calm has definitely shown better game sense and strategies in his past ZvZs, while ZerO is managing an exactly 50% win rate in the matchup. Though ZerO is cuter, I'd probably take Calm on this one: after all, he's won ZvZ series over EffOrt and CalmJaedong* (oops) to win his MSL.

Prediction: Calm 3-1 ZerO





Match C:
(T)Mind <Circuit Breaker> (Z)Hydra
(T)Mind <La Mancha> (Z)Hydra
(T)Mind <Dante's Peak SE> (Z)Hydra
(T)Mind <Monte Cristo> (Z)Hydra
(T)Mind <Circuit Breaker> (Z)Hydra

Set 1 on May 12, 1800 KST
Rest on May 19, 1800 KST

Mind TvZ
Overall: 48-39 (55.17%)
Last 10: 6-4 (L W W L L W W W W L)

Hydra ZvT
Overall: 16-14 (53.33%)
Last 10: 3-7 (L L L L W L W W L L)
Head-to-head: Mind 1-0 Hydra


       Well folks, Mind just had his first taste of victory in the MSL proper since the Arena MSL. That happened in summer 2008, where he lost to Flash 0-2 in the Ro16. Suddenly Mind is looking scary again, going 10-3 since WeMade finished failing at Winners' League. Admittedly, most of his bolded W's have come from dominating Protoss players: boasting a 15-3 record vP since last Christmas with losses only to Stork (twice) and Kal, it seems he's regained some of the mojo he needed to beat the Revolutionist many years ago. Too bad Hydra's not a Protoss; still, Mind is 4-1 against Zerg since losing to Calm in the OSL, including a win over Hydra himself featuring some sloppy control by Hydra and a clutch defiler/nydus snipe by Mind.

Hydra, on the other hand, is still trying to quell doubts about his ZvT. Yes, he did beat Light twice last month, winning the first with a lings and the second in rather impressive fashion. But though he faced an extremely tough lineup of T's, his 4-6 record against Terran since February leaves something to be desired. For old times' sake (forgive me if I'm too newschool for you!), I'll take Mind here. Don't count Hydra out though; he's still gunning for the gold.

Prediction: Mind 3-2 Hydra





Match D:
(T)Leta <Circuit Breaker> (T)Flash
(T)Leta <La Mancha> (T)Flash
(T)Leta <Dante's Peak SE> (T)Flash
(T)Leta <Monte Cristo> (T)Flash
(T)Leta <Circuit Breaker> (T)Flash

Set 1 on May 12, 1800 KST
Rest on May 21, 1700 KST

Leta TvT
Overall: 67-42 (61.47%)
Last 10: 3-7 (W L L L L L L W L W)

Flash TvT
Overall: 144-49 (74.61%)
Last 10: 8-2 (W W W W W W L W L W)
Head-to-head: Leta 4-9 Flash


       These have been some dark days for Flash fans. He's slumping hard. In fact, he's a mere 19-9 (68%) since March! Sluuuuuuuuuuump! But no worries! The one matchup he hasn't been "slumping" in is TvT: he's gone 20-2 in the matchup since his embarrassing elimination from the last MSL. That's more like it, Flash. His two losses were to a well-executed proxy by Baby and an incredible game by Really.

Leta, on the other hand, has always had a pretty good TvT, despite what his more recent results in the matchup would indicate. Unfortunately for him, he hasn't beaten Flash in over a year, dropping 0-2 to the Ultimate Weapon in WCG Korea and Korean Air 2 OSL, including his famous 50-supply gift into loss on Polaris Rhapsody; during Winners' League, he stalled Flash out for over ten minutes while in a clearly inferior position, hoping to tire Flash so Skyhigh could have a chance. (Flash beat Skyhigh too.) All signs are pointing to a Flash sweep here; good luck, Leta. You'll need it.

Prediction: Leta 0-3 Flash


The end of the post just looks weird without some small text here. Hmm, time to add some more articulation to my string quartet piece so I can go to sleep and enjoy my last day of classes tomorrow! ^^

Thanks to Roffles for posting the Ro8 Schedule.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 07:46:39
May 12 2011 07:39 GMT
#2
Leta will too win a game against Flash >: 3

edit: also, I think the split format is to give all of the winners equal practice time for the next round. You don't want to have multiple entire Bo5's in one night, that's too much, but if you split it so matches are played on separate days then the winners of the matches that get played earlier get more practice time for the next round (especially if the matchup that decides who they're playing is a mirror)
brood war for life, brood war forever
Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
May 12 2011 07:44 GMT
#3
Please win Leta!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
May 12 2011 07:44 GMT
#4
Good show, good show.

Our predictions are essentially identical. Interesting that Hydra vs Mind (unloved MSL champs) will probably be the best series, even with other series involving Jaedong, Flash, and Zero.

Has this not already been one of the best MSL in... years?
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 07:47:45
May 12 2011 07:47 GMT
#5
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Depiction of the ZvP. Except Jaedong is a grape as well. The grape on top being "juiced"....
I like grapes
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7863 Posts
May 12 2011 07:50 GMT
#6
I want Mind to win against Hydra but Mind is 1-12 against Flash in head to head so that would be a really boring semi final :/. So hopefully Hydra wins in some close exciting matches and advances to play Flash.

Hydra v Leta would be cool too but pretty doubtful. Leta v Jaedong finals would be fun also even though his head to head against Jaedong is pretty bad :/.

Anyways cool write up. Love BW news . Thank you
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 12 2011 07:51 GMT
#7
you guys are underestimating grape's chances. when was the last time jaedong actually dominated at ZvP? have you forgotten how he barely 3-2'd snow? he's clearly an underdog, but i don't think think he's going to get rocked as badly as people are expecting him to
brood war for life, brood war forever
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
May 12 2011 07:53 GMT
#8
Jaedong Grape.

Minus the G!
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 12 2011 07:56 GMT
#9
On May 12 2011 16:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Good show, good show.

Our predictions are essentially identical. Interesting that Hydra vs Mind (unloved MSL champs) will probably be the best series, even with other series involving Jaedong, Flash, and Zero.

Has this not already been one of the best MSL in... years?

With Group D, I don't think so. They should've met in Bo5s.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 12 2011 07:56 GMT
#10
I'm surprised you were generous enough to predict Grape would take a game off JD. I'm thinking 3-0 with not a single game close.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 08:02:56
May 12 2011 07:58 GMT
#11
On May 12 2011 16:35 ]343[ wrote:
Achievements aside, this is ZvZ. Calm has definitely shown better game sense and strategies in his past ZvZs, while ZerO is managing an exactly 50% win rate in the matchup. Though ZerO is cuter, I'd probably take Calm on this one: after all, he's won ZvZ series over EffOrt and Calm to win his MSL.

No Kwanro love .+ Show Spoiler +
I know that it's supposed to be the dong. Kwanro is just too awesome.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
May 12 2011 08:08 GMT
#12
On May 12 2011 16:56 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 16:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Good show, good show.

Our predictions are essentially identical. Interesting that Hydra vs Mind (unloved MSL champs) will probably be the best series, even with other series involving Jaedong, Flash, and Zero.

Has this not already been one of the best MSL in... years?

With Group D, I don't think so. They should've met in Bo5s.

Bisu hasn't been in Bo5 since 2009. He probably would have burned out in another theoretical Group or lost 2-0 to a terran like the last Ro16. Seems like a standard league to me!

And the notion that you need all the S-class players is nonsense. The games have been absolutely entertaining overall. No more QQ about Group D please and try to enjoy some brood war here.
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judochopaction
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States533 Posts
May 12 2011 08:13 GMT
#13
thanks for the write up... its a shame leta had to meet flash, i think anyone else would have been better. oh well, ro8 is pretty good.

go zero!
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 12 2011 08:22 GMT
#14
I predict:

Jaedong 3-2 Grape
ZerO 3-1 Calm
Mind 3-1 Hydra
Flash 3-0 Leta
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
May 12 2011 08:30 GMT
#15
I hereby bequeath ]343[ +1 ego

also if jaedong loses, i'll be sad. so sad

and GOOOOOOOOOO LETA
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 08:38:50
May 12 2011 08:36 GMT
#16
On May 12 2011 17:08 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 16:56 NicksonReyes wrote:
On May 12 2011 16:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Good show, good show.

Our predictions are essentially identical. Interesting that Hydra vs Mind (unloved MSL champs) will probably be the best series, even with other series involving Jaedong, Flash, and Zero.

Has this not already been one of the best MSL in... years?

With Group D, I don't think so. They should've met in Bo5s.

Bisu hasn't been in Bo5 since 2009. He probably would have burned out in another theoretical Group or lost 2-0 to a terran like the last Ro16. Seems like a standard league to me!

And the notion that you need all the S-class players is nonsense. The games have been absolutely entertaining overall. No more QQ about Group D please and try to enjoy some brood war here.

Well, I'm enjoying my own type of bw . What I'm trying to say is stuff like JD 3-0 Grape isn't fun for me at least. We just have different tastes, but this MSL is surely better than PDPop. I think Hana Daetoo is better(so far) except for the finals. Big file Ro4 is also good so I'm satisfied with MSLs last year/this year. Hoping for an epic Flash vs Leta gogogo!!!
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 12 2011 08:56 GMT
#17
... Zero has 50% ZvZ? :O
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
May 12 2011 09:07 GMT
#18
Leta, you must WIN!!!!
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 12 2011 09:33 GMT
#19
I'm really sad we rarely get to see Zero play ZvP and ZvT series =(

That said, Jaedong/Calm fighting ^^

Hydra vs. Mind should actually be a rather exciting series so looking forward to that too.
TranslatorBaa!
yesplz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States295 Posts
May 12 2011 09:58 GMT
#20
For some reason, I have a feeling Leta will do better than expected. That or flop 0-3
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
May 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#21
Awesome preview. Poor Leta. Go Jaedong!

That is all.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 12 2011 10:30 GMT
#22
Although it has started already. Thanks for the preview :D
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6077 Posts
May 12 2011 11:18 GMT
#23
Leta and Flash should be a powerful series. Something like Flash and fantasy from bigfile MSL.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Yts
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 12:19:21
May 12 2011 11:40 GMT
#24
On May 12 2011 20:18 oBlade wrote:
Leta and Flash should be a powerful series. Something like Flash and fantasy from bigfile MSL.


Flash vs Fantasy was SIIIIIIIICK doubt this one will live up to it but man I sure am hoping so.
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
May 12 2011 12:18 GMT
#25
On May 12 2011 20:40 Yts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 20:18 oBlade wrote:
Leta and Flash should be a powerful series. Something like Flash and fantasy from bigfile MSL.


Flash vs Fantasy was SIIIIIIIICK doubt this one will live up to if but man I sure am hoping so.

yeahhh i don't think leta is at the same level as fantasy was in TvT :/ but still hoping for some good games. the flash vs fantasy series from the bigfile MSL was super EPIC loll
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
May 12 2011 14:38 GMT
#26
On May 12 2011 16:56 red4ce wrote:
I'm surprised you were generous enough to predict Grape would take a game off JD. I'm thinking 3-0 with not a single game close.

Maybe because Jaedong is 5-5 in his last ZvP matches?...6-5 now
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Dandy4
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States493 Posts
May 13 2011 15:27 GMT
#27
Let's Go Jaedong!!!
Who let the dogs out?
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
May 13 2011 16:09 GMT
#28
Grape 3-1 and I'm not kidding. Flash 3-0, Zero 3-1 and I don't care about Mind vs Hydra.

Samsung Khan Protoss hwaiting!
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2772 Posts
May 13 2011 18:38 GMT
#29
Grape 3-1/3-2 Jaedong and proceed to take the trophy! No one is to tie Nada!

if not... Flash will.
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