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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators!
One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all.
You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.
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On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.
does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong?
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Bisu's the one that comes up to my mind.
+ Show Spoiler +but keep on losing please :3
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.
i rmember luxury owning flash in ever08.. haha
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July to MBC? Does that count? He was still decent when he was there...
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class. does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong?
Obviously. Hyuk's #1 right?
But yeah, the guy got a very favorable draw in Lost Saga against Hwasin (probably the toughest), Zero (Couldn't ZvZ to save his life), and Jangbi.
Lux was always pretty good at ZvZ (Probably 2nd best behind JD at the time), and always had decent ZvT thanks to 2 hatch mutas and some sick muta control. His ZvP was always questionable though, but good enough to beat Jangbi.
But to the guy above, nah, July doesn't count. He was on POS (Piece of Shit/Pirates of Space whatever you wanna call it), which eventually turned to MBCGame Hero.
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On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.
acctually the thing that made luxury a dangerous player is him being inconsistent
and at that time no one knew to zvz a side him and jaedong (talking at the time of 2008)
and he did took flash out of 2-0 in batoo osl only to lose 3-2 to best .
he's just too inconsistent he can win 2-0 flash (who was at his 1st prime u can even argue that it was the 2-0 that caused the first slump).
but lose to a mediocre player after (not that best was mediocre at that time).
luxury at certain times was S class and certain times b- (building the pattern so selling games wouldn't seem so transparent i guess)
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Idra from eSTRO to CJ?
He's no less S-class than some of the names mentioned...
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On August 10 2010 01:44 r33k wrote:
July to MBC? Does that count? He was still decent when he was there...
You mean July to SKT?
July was raised in MBC you know. And no, when he transferred to SKT and later to STX, he was no longer at the top, except his ZvP.
Bisu is the biggest sale. He was expensive and it paid off.
ForGG and Luxury to KT also deserve mentions. Both were at their peak, playing like S-class candidates, and then slumped into mediocre after being purchased.
According to TLPD, Nada was on KT before moving to WeMade. He is known for his consistency. I wonder if his transfer counted.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 10 2010 01:52 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class. acctually the thing that made luxury a dangerous player is him being inconsistent and at that time no one knew to zvz a side him and jaedong (talking at the time of 2008) and he did took flash out of 2-0 in batoo osl only to lose 3-2 to best . he's just too inconsistent he can win 2-0 flash (who was at his 1st prime u can even argue that it was the 2-0 that caused the first slump). but lose to a mediocre player after (not that best was mediocre at that time). luxury at certain times was S class and certain times b- (building the pattern so selling games wouldn't seem so transparent i guess)
Truth in that. Some games Lux looked completely dominant, but other games like his games vs Best just make me go, "What the hell are you doing?"
Well first off, if you can't beat Best at ZvP, then you clearly have some issues. Also, inconsistency doesn't make you S class overall. Every player can show flashes of brilliance. Like someone mentioned above, even Hyuk looked good against JD a couple of times.
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On August 10 2010 01:46 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class. does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong? Obviously. Hyuk's #1 right? But yeah, the guy got a very favorable draw in Lost Saga against Hwasin (probably the toughest), Zero (Couldn't ZvZ to save his life), and Jangbi. Lux was always pretty good at ZvZ (Probably 2nd best behind JD at the time), and always had decent ZvT thanks to 2 hatch mutas and some sick muta control. His ZvP was always questionable though, but good enough to beat Jangbi. But to the guy above, nah, July doesn't count. He was on POS (Piece of Shit/Pirates of Space whatever you wanna call it), which eventually turned to MBCGame Hero.
Didn't Lux beat Leta and Flash on that run too? Leta I'm sure about, Flash nsm.
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Well the new FA is coming up for Leta and Hyuk... so that's two potentially S-class players.....
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 July was the best player to be traded. (only golden mouse)
He even won the golden mouse after joining STX
I believe his trades were
MBC—>SKT—>STX
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United States23455 Posts
Jaedong almost left last year due to his parents wanting him to move to a better team, but he stayed put cause all his best friends are on the team, etc.
Leta moving would be the biggest FA move since Bisu to SKT1.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 10 2010 02:06 yeti wrote:July was the best player to be traded. (only golden mouse) He even won the golden mouse after joining STX I believe his trades were MBC—>SKT—>STX
While July's the most decorated (Bisu has 3 MSLs too but ehh), when he was traded, his ZvT and ZvZ were already outmatched by most great players. His third OSL run was probably one of the easiest, thanks to him meeting up with Backho and Best (PvZ duncebuckets).
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On August 10 2010 02:02 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:46 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class. does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong? Obviously. Hyuk's #1 right? But yeah, the guy got a very favorable draw in Lost Saga against Hwasin (probably the toughest), Zero (Couldn't ZvZ to save his life), and Jangbi. Lux was always pretty good at ZvZ (Probably 2nd best behind JD at the time), and always had decent ZvT thanks to 2 hatch mutas and some sick muta control. His ZvP was always questionable though, but good enough to beat Jangbi. But to the guy above, nah, July doesn't count. He was on POS (Piece of Shit/Pirates of Space whatever you wanna call it), which eventually turned to MBCGame Hero. Didn't Lux beat Leta and Flash on that run too? Leta I'm sure about, Flash nsm.
well leta lost to him on the msl cant rem if the r of 8 or r of 4
but i do rem leta being the better player and luxury taking him out with ruse all his games were either comebacks or trickery or 4 pool lol
god i love luxury i think on the 4th set when he made a huge comeback it was the only time i heard diggity, a very quiet and humble commentator, to shout "this is incredible" and indeed it was lol. after leta there was no real threat a side stork maybe that lost to jangbi in the semi
flash lost to leta and bisu and jaedong never reached the r 16
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On August 10 2010 02:02 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:46 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?
edit: yay new icons for translators! One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all. You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class. does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong? Obviously. Hyuk's #1 right? But yeah, the guy got a very favorable draw in Lost Saga against Hwasin (probably the toughest), Zero (Couldn't ZvZ to save his life), and Jangbi. Lux was always pretty good at ZvZ (Probably 2nd best behind JD at the time), and always had decent ZvT thanks to 2 hatch mutas and some sick muta control. His ZvP was always questionable though, but good enough to beat Jangbi. But to the guy above, nah, July doesn't count. He was on POS (Piece of Shit/Pirates of Space whatever you wanna call it), which eventually turned to MBCGame Hero. Didn't Lux beat Leta and Flash on that run too? Leta I'm sure about, Flash nsm.
Luxury defeated Leta with a 4 pool and tricky play if I remember correctly. Leta was hailed as the son of the god at the time. A tournament favorite. I really doubt Luxury's ability to defeat Leta straight up.
Don't forget that July met Rock, along with Backho and Best in his final OSL run. It's criminally negligent to dismiss Rock's contributions to other people's careers.
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On August 10 2010 01:53 Aim Here wrote:
Idra from eSTRO to CJ?
He's no less S-class than some of the names mentioned...
Yeah, because Idra totally has proleague appearances right?
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luxury won the starleague way after he already moved to KT
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On August 10 2010 01:59 Roffles wrote:
Truth in that. Some games Lux looked completely dominant, but other games like his games vs Best just make me go, "What the hell are you doing?"
Well first off, if you can't beat Best at ZvP, then you clearly have some issues. Also, inconsistency doesn't make you S class overall. Every player can show flashes of brilliance. Like someone mentioned above, even Hyuk looked good against JD a couple of times.
Would you consider forGG or Calm to be S-class for winning a starleague? How about someone like Sea or Leta who consistently perform well in Proleague but had no success in individual leagues?
There are a lot of reasonable criteria we could come up with, like some recent success in individual leagues, good performance in the proleague, no really weak matchups, not in a horrible slump at the moment, etc. But if you try to apply all of these you're left with Flash, Jaedong and maybe Fantasy, Effort or Stork.
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