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Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 18:11:33
August 09 2010 17:30 GMT
#41
Wasn't Luxury considered OGN's ace player when they reached the proleague finals?
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 09 2010 17:35 GMT
#42
On August 10 2010 01:25 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 00:38 ilbh wrote:
bisu was traded from MBC to SKT1
forGG from OZ to KT
luxury from stars to KT
puma from eSTRO to sparkyz
suny from eSTRO to KT
kwanro from CJ to stars

that is all I can remember now

lol everyone here except for bisu is/was a joke


Huh? ForGG was and is above average (he won a starleague....against the dong himself), luxury was the 2nd best zerg for a few months with unbeatable ZvP, and Kwanro is another above average player. If there guys are jokes then the only people that are "good" must be jaedong and flash now
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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
August 09 2010 17:39 GMT
#43
it depend on how u define s-class
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 17:44:22
August 09 2010 17:42 GMT
#44
On August 10 2010 02:29 hypercube wrote:
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On August 10 2010 01:59 Roffles wrote:
Truth in that. Some games Lux looked completely dominant, but other games like his games vs Best just make me go, "What the hell are you doing?"

Well first off, if you can't beat Best at ZvP, then you clearly have some issues. Also, inconsistency doesn't make you S class overall. Every player can show flashes of brilliance. Like someone mentioned above, even Hyuk looked good against JD a couple of times.


Would you consider forGG or Calm to be S-class for winning a starleague? How about someone like Sea or Leta who consistently perform well in Proleague but had no success in individual leagues?

There are a lot of reasonable criteria we could come up with, like some recent success in individual leagues, good performance in the proleague, no really weak matchups, not in a horrible slump at the moment, etc. But if you try to apply all of these you're left with Flash, Jaedong and maybe Fantasy, Effort or Stork.

Isn't that what S class is all about? Being better than the rest? It only makes sense if you have only Flash/JD and maybe a couple more. Otherwise you get like a ton of S class players...
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newvsoldschool
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 17:57:49
August 09 2010 17:56 GMT
#45
Flash was once from Wemade. Nada came from IS, then KTF, then Wemade. There are many good players that switched to another team, but they're not considered the #1 progamer in their prime (Midas, Gorush), or already know about/recent switches that everyone already knows about (lieak OMGZ Bisu switch to T111!! He'd been fine on MBC regardless. Just did it for the money cuz T1 is just like that.).
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SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
August 09 2010 17:56 GMT
#46
Luxury was essentially what Effort is now: the second best zerg player for a while.

He, Jangbi, and maybe Best and Leta all fall into the same category to me. They had their periods of S-class, but they couldn't sustain it for long enough.
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
August 09 2010 18:03 GMT
#47
How bout GoRush from GO to SKTT1?
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
August 09 2010 18:17 GMT
#48
GoRush from GO to SKT
Nal_rA from GO to KTF
YellOw from KTF to Toona and back
NaDa from KTF to Toona
Reach from Hanbit to KTF
iloveoov almost transferred to KTF from SKT (lol!)
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Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
August 09 2010 18:27 GMT
#49
On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:
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On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:
On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?

edit: yay new icons for translators!

One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all.

You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.


does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong?


It's jaedong that became S class from having the honor of losing to hyuk!
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
August 09 2010 18:39 GMT
#50
GGplay was traded too but then again some time later and he did return to Stars.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
August 09 2010 18:51 GMT
#51
On August 10 2010 03:27 Grebliv wrote:
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On August 10 2010 01:35 Trowabarton756 wrote:
On August 10 2010 01:32 Roffles wrote:
On August 10 2010 01:25 nuke_rush wrote:
Luxury was owning at the time and was considered to be the next big thing. His trade to KT was meant to seriously boost the team. He was near S-class at the time, winning a starleague and owning the proleague. fOrGG was off a starleague win as well, and was a 'second ace' before getting traded due to the fail that is Oz. And since when was Puma good?

edit: yay new icons for translators!

One starleague win over a guy who can't PvZ to save his life isn't even close to being S class. Lux couldn't take a game off Bisu, Flash, or JD at the time (Except for when he 5 pools Bisu on Troy). You can't consider that S class at all. Hell, even Calm won a Starleague. Was he even close to S class at the time? No, not at all.

You can't be S class if you can't take a game off the real S class.


does that mean that hyuk is S class cause he took 2 games off jaedong?


It's jaedong that became S class from having the honor of losing to hyuk!

same one that lost to this and i quote "I decided to attack. I did so hoping to do some damage but the game just ended. "
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 09 2010 18:57 GMT
#52
On August 10 2010 02:14 Roffles wrote:
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On August 10 2010 02:06 yeti wrote:
(Z)July was the best player to be traded. (only golden mouse)
He even won the golden mouse after joining STX
I believe his trades were
MBC—>SKT—>STX


While July's the most decorated (Bisu has 3 MSLs too but ehh), when he was traded, his ZvT and ZvZ were already outmatched by most great players. His third OSL run was probably one of the easiest, thanks to him meeting up with Backho and Best (PvZ duncebuckets).

HOLD IT

Didn't he play ROCK and Backho? How on earth can you say that they are both PvZ duncebuckets? BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES. I'll say it again. BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES.

July lost only ONE game in that OSL that meant anything (A group round loss after he qualified doesn't count). And that was to Backho. Heck, he even beat Best after a failed 4 (5?) pool! Following that OSL, he was one of the only zergs still kicking in the scene, in addition to Jaedong and Luxury. None of the zergs were having any luck with ZvT. Don't believe me? Check old power ranks. If that isn't S-Class, I don't know what is. All revitalized shortly after his SKT -> STX trade.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
August 09 2010 19:20 GMT
#53
On August 10 2010 03:57 Sunyveil wrote:
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On August 10 2010 02:14 Roffles wrote:
On August 10 2010 02:06 yeti wrote:
(Z)July was the best player to be traded. (only golden mouse)
He even won the golden mouse after joining STX
I believe his trades were
MBC—>SKT—>STX


While July's the most decorated (Bisu has 3 MSLs too but ehh), when he was traded, his ZvT and ZvZ were already outmatched by most great players. His third OSL run was probably one of the easiest, thanks to him meeting up with Backho and Best (PvZ duncebuckets).

HOLD IT

Didn't he play ROCK and Backho? How on earth can you say that they are both PvZ duncebuckets? BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES. I'll say it again. BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES.

July lost only ONE game in that OSL that meant anything (A group round loss after he qualified doesn't count). And that was to Backho. Heck, he even beat Best after a failed 4 (5?) pool! Following that OSL, he was one of the only zergs still kicking in the scene, in addition to Jaedong and Luxury. None of the zergs were having any luck with ZvT. Don't believe me? Check old power ranks. If that isn't S-Class, I don't know what is. All revitalized shortly after his SKT -> STX trade.


Yup but July still wouldn´t be S-class, more like L or XL IMO
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sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
August 09 2010 19:38 GMT
#54
On August 10 2010 03:57 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 02:14 Roffles wrote:
On August 10 2010 02:06 yeti wrote:
(Z)July was the best player to be traded. (only golden mouse)
He even won the golden mouse after joining STX
I believe his trades were
MBC—>SKT—>STX


While July's the most decorated (Bisu has 3 MSLs too but ehh), when he was traded, his ZvT and ZvZ were already outmatched by most great players. His third OSL run was probably one of the easiest, thanks to him meeting up with Backho and Best (PvZ duncebuckets).

HOLD IT

Didn't he play ROCK and Backho? How on earth can you say that they are both PvZ duncebuckets? BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES. I'll say it again. BOTH OF THEM HAVE WINNING RECORDS AGAINST JAEDONG ON TELEVISED MATCHES.

July lost only ONE game in that OSL that meant anything (A group round loss after he qualified doesn't count). And that was to Backho. Heck, he even beat Best after a failed 4 (5?) pool! Following that OSL, he was one of the only zergs still kicking in the scene, in addition to Jaedong and Luxury. None of the zergs were having any luck with ZvT. Don't believe me? Check old power ranks. If that isn't S-Class, I don't know what is. All revitalized shortly after his SKT -> STX trade.

What? Julys OSL-run was probably the easiest in the history of SC. Meeting three absolutely horrible PvZ players, two being relative newcomers to the scene, in the only matchup he was good in at the time was probably the biggest stroke of luck ever. Afterwards he didn't really do anything either - I'd say he ranked below JD, lux, yarnc and even kwanro back then.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 09 2010 19:49 GMT
#55
On August 10 2010 03:17 Last Romantic wrote:
GoRush from GO to SKT
Nal_rA from GO to KTF
YellOw from KTF to Toona and back
NaDa from KTF to Toona
Reach from Hanbit to KTF
iloveoov almost transferred to KTF from SKT (lol!)

Were the GO->x transfers really sales? I don't think the situation was exactly the same.

But yeah, those team changes are at the very least comparable to Bisu's transfer...not that many people seem to remember.
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~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
August 09 2010 19:53 GMT
#56
On August 10 2010 03:17 Last Romantic wrote:
GoRush from GO to SKT
Nal_rA from GO to KTF
YellOw from KTF to Toona and back
NaDa from KTF to Toona
Reach from Hanbit to KTF
iloveoov almost transferred to KTF from SKT (lol!)


I was about to come up with this. Transfering your best players would happen a lot more often at the time as GO didn't have money while KTF or Toona were rich. Nowadays,
You could add Goodfriend from Pantech to KTF, even though someone already mentionned it, GF was suppposed to be Nada's heir when this happened.

And this argument about "what's an S class" is pretty stupid. I think it's pretty easy to say that Luxury going to KTF was a pretty big deal. Everyone hyped the twins at that time and, even if it was against Jangbi, Luxury managed to honor the hopes that were put in him. He was a very good player.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
August 09 2010 20:15 GMT
#57
On August 10 2010 01:25 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 00:38 ilbh wrote:
bisu was traded from MBC to SKT1
forGG from OZ to KT
luxury from stars to KT
puma from eSTRO to sparkyz
suny from eSTRO to KT
kwanro from CJ to stars

that is all I can remember now

lol everyone here except for bisu is/was a joke


I thought the Luxury move was a sorta-big deal because he was pretty much the ace for Sparkyz at the time, no? He was a total fail right after, but he was OGN's go-to guy at the time they moved him.

But yeah, the rest were lolz when they moved.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 09 2010 20:43 GMT
#58
Bisu to SKT, July to SKT (and sort of to STX).
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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
August 09 2010 21:34 GMT
#59
Savior been sold to the devils.
is that S-class enough?

the mentionable trades were Luxury and Bisu, they were their previous ace. OGN and MBC had to work to get a new ace.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 09 2010 21:44 GMT
#60
In Gorush and Nal_ra cases, they were simply allowed to go to richer teams since Cho couldn't afford to feed them.

I dunno what the heck was involved in Kwanro's transfer to Stars. The rumors indicate that he was sold for a bag of rice.

Luxury and ForGG were big deals though. Wasn't ForGG even considered as the best Terran by some around his Arena conquest?
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