EPTThe next King of the Zerg?
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suffeli
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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B) its gonna be me anyway JJu will decimate the starleague | ||
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Dealer
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What did he ever do =] | ||
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On May 18 2004 12:16 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote: A) Where is JJu B) its gonna be me anyway JJu will decimate the starleague You mean he will defeat every 1 in 10 opponents?  | ||
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[pG]RaGe
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On May 18 2004 12:16 Dealer wrote: hmm, Gyuntae? =[ What did he ever do =] He had one of the most clutch ZvPs of any zerg user that I have ever seen. I think the only ttoss player that ever broke the "GyunTae Contain" is Reach:\ | ||
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suffeli
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Hyuk Vs Freshen Hyuk Vs Nada Hyuk Vs Xellos | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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On May 18 2004 12:31 Bill307 wrote: That still means the same thing .decimate v : kill in large numbers | ||
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TeCh)keke
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luminosity_
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Niza is OVER-fucking hyped. He's on Nada's team, so they probably practice all the time. If the team manager thought that Niza could beat nada consistently, he would obviously give Niza a higher spot on the team. | ||
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Bill307
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v : To select by lot and kill one in every ten of. Plus that was the original use of the word "decimation" in Roman times. What happened to your love of Roman history, Steve?  | ||
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Bill307
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 .On the flip side, I highly doubt that Zerglee or Silver will become the next King of the Zerg . | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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On May 18 2004 12:48 Muhweli wrote: Actually JJu has been playing for a long time but only recently has been doing good in the leagues, I would've considered him to be there? Also I'm not quite sure of Junwi's past - how oldschool is him? Junwi[tnc] has been around the west channels forever, and replays have been floating around him. However, he has not been pro very long - came in with a bang and left right after. Same goes for a lot of these guys - both Jju and especially GoRush has been around forever - GoRush was the guy who beat I.Love_Star in the wcgc tourney way back in 2k. It's just that they start showing up in the big leagues lately. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
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suffeli
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My vote goes to Hyuk as he is sort of a crossbreed of Blackman and Chojja(as Muhweli put it), he has excellent micro/macro and stunning gameplay. Just wait and watch him do a clean sweep!  | ||
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suffeli
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The oldschoolers ChRh and IntoTheRain have also gone into a horrible slump which they might not recover anymore. Boxer and Yellow might be the next ones to join them? | ||
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ky[Z]
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Ack1027
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Do you practice to take out Nada and the top people or practice to maintain your position by taking out the newcomers? I'll make an analogy, take it or leave it. You are killing an ant pile, you can either kill all the thousands of worker ants or just kill the queen and be done with it. The thing is if you fail to kill the queen you will get bitten dozens of times and possibly get infected [ I.E. The ' Slump ' ] If you kill all the worker ants you will still have a minimalized ant problem yet they will continue to keep coming. What I'm trying to say is, there will be infinite newcomers to the pro-gamer scene as long as Starcraft is still played. I think it's just up to the individual to decide who they want to take out. And yes it saddens me that IntoTheRain, Boxer, and recently Yellow are doing poorly. However it does not WORRY me because Boxer is the best player there ever will be, Yellow is the most consistent player there ever will be, and IntoTheRain just has that special something that I think will keep him a legend to speak of. | ||
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suffeli
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On May 18 2004 15:24 Abyss_Bahamut wrote: I think the newcomers are doing very well because I think the psychological part of being a old-school progamer is hard. Do you practice to take out Nada and the top people or practice to maintain your position by taking out the newcomers? I'll make an analogy, take it or leave it. You are killing an ant pile, you can either kill all the thousands of worker ants or just kill the queen and be done with it. The thing is if you fail to kill the queen you will get bitten dozens of times and possibly get infected [ I.E. The ' Slump ' ] If you kill all the worker ants you will still have a minimalized ant problem yet they will continue to keep coming. What I'm trying to say is, there will be infinite newcomers to the pro-gamer scene as long as Starcraft is still played. I think it's just up to the individual to decide who they want to take out. And yes it saddens me that IntoTheRain, Boxer, and recently Yellow are doing poorly. However it does not WORRY me because Boxer is the best player there ever will be, Yellow is the most consistent player there ever will be, and IntoTheRain just has that special something that I think will keep him a legend to speak of. You are probably right. As long as Broodwar is played there always will be people cheering wildy after Boxer and Yellow. Btw your anylogy fits perfectly to the Boxer&Niza incident. | ||
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baal
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On May 18 2004 12:29 Bill307 wrote: You mean he will defeat every 1 in 10 opponents? lol | ||
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suffeli
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![[image loading]](http://gallery.isgsa.org/albums/userpics/10001/toona/normal_gamer.jpg) Toona SG, Silver~~ | ||
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myaccountmessup
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On May 18 2004 12:42 suffeli wrote: Some nice Hyuk replays: (courtesy of ygclan.com) Hyuk Vs Freshen Hyuk Vs Nada Hyuk Vs Xellos are the replays 1.10 or 1.11 | ||
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suffeli
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ApollyoN
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edit: really though, what is up with all the votes for niza??? are you guys joking  | ||
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myaccountmessup
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On May 18 2004 16:40 suffeli wrote: 1.11 O.K. | ||
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FAKESTEVE WILL RULE!! | ||
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On May 18 2004 12:51 suffeli wrote: Junwi has been the washed out enemy of the public for some time now. He isn't just what he used to be. HE WILL BE BACK! never underestimate Public Enemy. ![[image loading]](http://gallery.isgsa.org/sigh1.jpg) On May 18 2004 22:44 Gryffindor_us wrote: Ogogo is on Toona? When did that happen? Anyone heard any rumors about NaDa leaving Toona to go back to KTF? Ogogo has joined in KOR team now, accompany with Zeus, Cloud, Casy and so on. | ||
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Madox-101
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and OgOgO won wcg2003 while Blackman only achieve 3rd place in wcg2002 with yellow 2nd | ||
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bigMommA
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On May 18 2004 22:58 Madox-101 wrote: OgOgO is not overrated coz no one rates him but u could say Blackman's overrated coz everybody rates him to be so good. and OgOgO won wcg2003 while Blackman only achieve 3rd place in wcg2002 with yellow 2nd i bet only half of us or less overrate blackman while the other half picks blackman as most favorite zerg. | ||
mensrea
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The poll had some possibilities, but a poll based only on when the players started playing the game isn't really very interesting. Who cares if the player is "new" like ipx or an old school player like Niza who's found his game recently. The question you really asked (it says so right in the title of your thread) is who will be the next Zerg King. And in properly answering this question, it's ridiculous to disqualify players like Niza or GoRush because they happen to be "old school." The fact is, what we're all interested in isn't to see "which of the REALLY NEW zerg players will become the next Zerg King." That may take YEARS to find out. The better question is "who will be the next Zerg King AMONG ZERG PLAYERS NOT NAMED YELLOW OR CHOJJA." Or "who will be the next Zerg King among the new wave of Zerg users (not named Yellow or Chojja)." Or something like that. We're seeing a mini changing of the Zerg user guard right now, partly due to the recent decline in the play of established Zerg users like Yellow and Chojja - and partly due to the maturing tournament skills of players like GoRush, JulyZerg and Jju. Then, there's Niza, who may turn out to be more hype than anything else, but who's still impressive enough to scare the heck out of tournament opponents in Korea - at least for now. Either way, these are exciting times if you're a Zerg fan. Bottom line: no poll asking who might be the next dominant Zerg a la Yellow or Chojja should have players like Jju, GoRush, JulyZerg or even Niza off the list. I like the poll. The idea's great. But your options leave a lot to be desired. | ||
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suffeli
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The fact that I left alot of players out of the poll was due to the reason that polls hold only 7 options in them. A player rising from the pits of the "your average" mud is a rarity and I've not seen such a thing in this game... Yet... Gundam after winning one major league(can't remember which) has gone into a such bad state that I think he is impossible to recover from. Gorush, Yellow, Jju and hell even Mymyung and the other oldschoolers have a steady win/lose rate but It has been awhile that they have been making heavy noise in the grand finals. Though I am not claiming that any of these players don't have the potential to get back to their prime, killer-superstar shape again but I personally believe that it takes a new fresh face that will burst into the first spot example like the instoppable force iloveovv did. Then again, one year in the pro-gaming scene is a long time and anything can happen. I'm really looking forward if Niza can prove he is worth the hype. But... I must agree, when I think about it, the poll has some major flaws in it. | ||
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mensrea
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Anyway, like I said, I think the poll idea itself is excellent! | ||
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Dealer
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Well, Yellow certainly did not fail time after time, Chojja has had his moments, JJu is looking quite hot lately and Gyuntae was never in the same league as those players. In fact i don't even think Gyuntae is good enough to be compared with many of the players in the poll =) | ||
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Kpone
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On May 19 2004 05:51 Kpone wrote: At last someone admit blackman is really overrrated, he was crushed by boxer at wcg whereas Niza 2-0'd boxer. Tell me who is overrated... Still i don't say Niza will be the next Yellow but no one can deny his talent. I tend to think ogogo suxx but he recently beated the marine and yellow maybe he's getting better .. Wait and see... Horrible comparison. Boxer is in a major slump right now, whereas in 2002 he was in his prime. Boxer raped the shit out of Yellow several times, did he not? Are we to say that because of this, Yellow is not as good as Niza? Sure, Yellow beat Boxer his fair share, too, but he still lost a lot to Boxer. Terrible comparison, in my opinion. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On May 18 2004 12:16 Dealer wrote: hmm, Gyuntae? =[ What did he ever do =] He made a lot of sunkens :D | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On May 18 2004 14:56 suffeli wrote: I considered putting Jju, Gorush and Gyuntae put the point is that they have been around forever and have not been able to break thru to the finals and personally, I highly doubt they never will. And as I said earlier the poll is about "new wave" of zergs. My vote goes to Hyuk as he is sort of a crossbreed of Blackman and Chojja(as Muhweli put it), he has excellent micro/macro and stunning gameplay. Just wait and watch him do a clean sweep! Gorush, best ZvZ on the planet. Qualified for OGN starleague for the second time in a row. Only now starting to get his Offline play in order, may make a lot of noise | ||
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On May 19 2004 13:16 Tien wrote: since when was gorush best zvz in the world? Until he dethrones Yellow in a best of 5 I am not convinced that he has the greatest ZvZ in the world. Winning Yellow one game doesnt mean jack. Well he is something like 3-0 against Chojja and 7-1 against Jju. The only ZvZ game I remember him losing anytime recently was against Jju in the last OSL. It's true he hasn't gone toe-to-toe with Yellow in a series but his results in other ZvZ matches have been looking good for him. | ||
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lefty
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On May 19 2004 18:21 Niza wrote: niza is more dominating than yellow. yellow is more trickwise guy, not as aggressive as niza. remember how niza raped boxer 2-0. he never backed out with his mutas. he just kept it going and going. on the other hand, if it was yellow, he would have backed out, and expand, and try some other shit wtf u talking about yellow is renown for his aggressiveness | ||
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Roberto Baggio! | ||
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Madox-101
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next zergie king definitely OgOgO. | ||
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Mr.Royle
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On May 18 2004 12:42 suffeli wrote: Some nice Hyuk replays: (courtesy of ygclan.com) Hyuk Vs Freshen Hyuk Vs Nada Hyuk Vs Xellos very nice especially the one vs nada . | ||
Plexa
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(bump for lulz and nostalgia) | ||
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but the 2nd/3rd choices were pretty accurate | ||
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KlaCkoN
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On October 16 2008 21:06 Plexa wrote: Oh how naive we all were (bump for lulz and nostalgia) How come? The results were quite exellent imo 2004 lets see that's not even a year until July starts dominating in a very serious fashion. And he's second on the poll. After him there is savior and he well, became the next zerg king after july The fact that niza is first is lol but all in all I think the poll was surprisingly correct. | ||
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GTR
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he was like a goodish zerg (there were better out there) best known from me as the guy who has played the quickest ever game on OGN ever (4pooling yooi on requiem) | ||
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village_idiot
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IPXZerg only 12% of votes. Terrible, terrible. | ||
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On May 18 2004 16:44 ApollyoN wrote: ipxzerg is so amazingly talented, with some more time to grow he could definitely be the best edit: really though, what is up with all the votes for niza??? are you guys joking this man got it right | ||
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uknable
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i hope savior becomes king of zerg again =D | ||
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God, Savior used to wear the IPXZerg back on WGT looking for people to noob bash, before he became The Maestro... | ||
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alffla
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AWESOMEEEE lol omg who is niza XDDDD nice bump plexa | ||
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SilverSkyLark
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then I looked at the date....jeez | ||
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On October 16 2008 22:33 SassO wrote: looooolniza, is really good.. july will always be a hard zerg as long as he keeps playing! | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=55915 Check op and first comment. LOL | ||
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On October 16 2008 22:35 lolaloc wrote: July is like the zerg version of Nada. uuhm.. nope cant compare ANYONE with NaDa | ||
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Ryshi
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-At that time, he was considered one of the highest apm zerg (not sure was it 300s-400s). Chojja had high apm too I think, but he was part of old school thus not on the list. -Someone uploaded some awesome replays of him playing during or before this thread was made (raping boxer/nada or someone similar) -He never dominated, but probably because of charismatic reasons or amazing play from one or two games it made him be favoured in this poll These points are just my impressions of him in 2004, so it may be wrong. | ||
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raiame
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On October 16 2008 23:23 EvoChamber wrote: I love how you can still vote in these ancient-ass polls. Just increased Ma Jae Yoon by 1%! =] | ||
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On October 16 2008 22:42 IntoTheWow wrote: This made me remember: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=55915 Check op and first comment. LOL LOLOL Oh man. I'd love to show that thread to every guy who downtalked Flash now... | ||
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StarN
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"Next King of Terran?" | ||
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RaGe
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On October 16 2008 23:30 PH wrote: LOLOL Oh man. I'd love to show that thread to every guy who downtalked Flash now... I just did. | ||
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pubbanana
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He also made Pantech's Proleague roster when most people expected him to be a practice partner. So yeah, Niza was mildly amazing. | ||
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Fen
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On October 17 2008 00:29 AnyOne wrote: everyone shud vote for ipxzerg >_< People really shouldnt. Its interesting to be able to look back at what votes were back in the day. People shouldnt be going back and screwing with the results now. | ||
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Eatme
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Now get off my lawn  | ||
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Mindcrime
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This was right around the time the hyuk vs. zergman ultrarush rep was circulating wasn't it? | ||
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Djabanete
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You heard it here first. | ||
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