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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 09:06:05
January 11 2010 08:50 GMT
#41
On January 11 2010 15:22 ItsBigfoot wrote:
the only thing about bisu is, yes, technically he could be in, but so could jangbi/best/pure/flying/some others, so it's best to cut it off at 4, or else I'd have backho fans telling me he should be included as well***





*** if backho fans actually exist

I can personally say that Backho fans DO exist.

On the issue of Bisu, I think the thing to remember is that while his single-game performance has been very lackluster, he's still way more likely to take a Bo5 than Jangbi/Best/Pure/Flying, and Violet. Yes, Violet's winning games, but that's because he hasn't been *in* any of the individual leagues. He hasn't played a Bo5, oh I dunno, EVER?
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ItsBigfoot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States432 Posts
January 11 2010 09:05 GMT
#42
On January 11 2010 17:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 15:22 ItsBigfoot wrote:
the only thing about bisu is, yes, technically he could be in, but so could jangbi/best/pure/flying/some others, so it's best to cut it off at 4, or else I'd have backho fans telling me he should be included as well***





*** if backho fans actually exist

I can personally say that Backho fans DO exist.

On the issue of Bisu, I think the thing to remember is that while his single-game performance has been very lackluster, he's still way more likely to take a Bo5 than any of those 4, and Violet. Yes, Violet's winning games, but that's because he hasn't been *in* any of the individual leagues. He hasn't played a Bo5, oh I dunno, EVER?


actually single games are what's keeping bisu in contention, since he's out in both individual leagues, losing to two new guys. They both do well in single games, and Violet's more interesting to write about, since he's new, and the head of the new KT tosses
Kal Fighting!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 09:09:58
January 11 2010 09:08 GMT
#43
On January 11 2010 18:05 ItsBigfoot wrote:
actually single games are what's keeping bisu in contention, since he's out in both individual leagues, losing to two new guys. They both do well in single games, and Violet's more interesting to write about, since he's new, and the head of the new KT tosses

He's out of the MSL because of single games. He's out of the OSL from losing to Shine, who immediately went on to also beat Stork. He hasn't had the *chance* to play set games, but off experience, he's still likely to be the better set player than someone who's never been in a televised set.

I will concede that Violet is more interesting to write about.
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 11 2010 09:12 GMT
#44
losing to frozean is synonymous with being shamed. lol

kinda needed bisu in there. he's just much better than some of ones listed.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 11 2010 11:22 GMT
#45
I can't believe people seriously argue about Bisu not being in that list and can't decide whether op trolls or it's just blind fanboysm and hate.

The zerg and terran threads are quite good, this is just trash
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
ItsBigfoot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States432 Posts
January 11 2010 11:41 GMT
#46
On January 11 2010 20:22 ondik wrote:
I can't believe people seriously argue about Bisu not being in that list and can't decide whether op trolls or it's just blind fanboysm and hate.

The zerg and terran threads are quite good, this is just trash


3 straight people complain about the lack of bisu

they all have SKT as their team logo

and I'm the one that gets called a fanboy somehow (note: if I did the zerg article, you could call my fanboyism, as shine would be in effort's spot)

what would you like me to write about? bisu's lack of matches against top players recently, or how he's still not quite on his A game? another bisu article would be boring, the developing talent is much more interesting.
Kal Fighting!
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
January 11 2010 12:05 GMT
#47
....:p bisu? flying?

jangbi..
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 13:14:05
January 11 2010 13:08 GMT
#48
Violet has been doing debatably better in proleague than Bisu (more ace matches, entirely undefeated in R1, etc.), and they've been knocked out of leagues by the same person. His losses to haksoo, pure, and that 1 other guy... are countered by Bisu's losses to haksoo, frozean, and that one other guy.
edit :
here, Violet's record after winner's league(which is when it's generally agreed he began to play at his current level) :
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=539&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2009&from_month=3&from_day=30&to_year=2010&to_month=1&to_day=10&action=Update

34-13, 72.34% for something like 9 months now. Pretty comparable to Bisu's record during the same time period.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 11 2010 13:19 GMT
#49
No Bisu?!?!??!
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Usurper
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Macedonia283 Posts
January 11 2010 14:23 GMT
#50
Yo, you are missing JangBi.
I love humanity. It is people that i can't stand.
Hustla
Profile Joined August 2009
Russian Federation27 Posts
January 11 2010 14:35 GMT
#51
violet is a fucking noob
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
January 11 2010 14:36 GMT
#52
On January 11 2010 20:22 ondik wrote:
I can't believe people seriously argue about Bisu not being in that list and can't decide whether op trolls or it's just blind fanboysm and hate.

The zerg and terran threads are quite good, this is just trash


Bisu isn't on there because he's done jack shit recently. All of these names have done something (you know, like IMPROVED) to show a possible revival of the Protoss race.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Ambergris_sTarTer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines166 Posts
January 11 2010 14:51 GMT
#53
I lost faith to the Protoss players....


...except Movie who has a chance to get the OSL from Flash.

If there would be a proleague in the Philippines, we from Ambergris will take it!
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 14:54:58
January 11 2010 14:53 GMT
#54
On January 11 2010 22:08 Nevuk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=539&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2009&from_month=3&from_day=30&to_year=2010&to_month=1&to_day=10&action=Update



this is screwing up format so badly

I have to say though, (P)Movie may not yet belong here. He's only shown prowness in a single matchup, and the other two are mediocre at best. (P)Violet is ok, but has not shown particular brilliance throughout the season.

as for their competitors:

(P)JangBi - Has still excellent PvP, though it seems he sorely underestimated (P)Stats. His PvZ has shown considerable improvement, or at least his judgement has. His PvT is recently untested, but not looking great considering he lost to (T)Barracks

(P)BeSt - His PvP is lightyears behind what it once was. Losses to (P)Stork and (P)Violet may be acceptable, but to (P)Shuttle and (P)Pusan? Not so much. His PvT is godly still, losing only to (T)Flash, which is nothing to be ashamed of, as he would be on a gigantic streak otherwise. As for his PvZ, while good enough to beat the likes of (Z)Chavi, (Z)Hydra, and even (Z)Clam, is not up to "Victory after Victory" standards.

(P)GosI[Flying] - Definitely not S-Class, nor "Victory after Victory" standards. I consider him a very good rookie, and he'll likely bloom in the next round or two, but as of right now he's still just another struggling protoss.

(P)Bisu
- Is perhaps the most controversial of all the protoss. But I believe that he definitely belongs here. His PvZ is on a 7 game streak, though with the only notable opponents being (Z)RorO, (Z)Shine, and (Z)hero. Yet this is definitely enough to consider him proficient in the matchup. As for his PvP, He lost to (P)Stork, (P)GuemChi, and (P)SeCret. I will not pretend to know anything about the game between him and SeCret, but I know that the game with Stork is not much to be ashamed about, and that the game with Guemchi, while definitely puts him out of the running for being dominant, does not exclude him from being eligible for this article. Bisu's PvT, however, makes him a little iffy. Because he lost to (T)CuteAngel and (T)Bogus. That's enough to put anyone in doubt. The only dominant victories he's had in this matchup were against (T)Mind and (T)PianO- he wasn't even able to beat (T)TurN convincingly. So while I still believe he belongs in the article, as his performance is above both Violet and Movie's, Bisu should not be ranked above Stork nor (P)Kal.
boomer hands
Majk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden146 Posts
January 11 2010 14:55 GMT
#55
On January 11 2010 22:08 Nevuk wrote:
Violet has been doing debatably better in proleague than Bisu (more ace matches, entirely undefeated in R1, etc.), and they've been knocked out of leagues by the same person. His losses to haksoo, pure, and that 1 other guy... are countered by Bisu's losses to haksoo, frozean, and that one other guy.
edit :
here, Violet's record after winner's league(which is when it's generally agreed he began to play at his current level) :
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=539&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2009&from_month=3&from_day=30&to_year=2010&to_month=1&to_day=10&action=Update

34-13, 72.34% for something like 9 months now. Pretty comparable to Bisu's record during the same time period.


Bisu's record over same period of time:
Record: 52 wins - 21 losses (71.23%)

I like the article and I find the latest period of time reflects the names up there. All players are gr8 (including Bisu). All of them except Movie have a win% over 50% in each match-up, But considered that movie shows the way in PvZ (the hard match-up) and is in the OSL finals he somewhat belongs there. Also think Flying and Shuttle is players to watch out for.

And yes, Kal's performance lately has been awesome and he totally deserves the spot he got.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 11 2010 15:10 GMT
#56
I haven't been following PL since my FPL sunk faster than the Titanic after I ditched Stork. But when I checked Kal's stats in the PL, I was like WOAH!

I never held Kal in high regard, but he is definitely on fire right now.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 11 2010 15:12 GMT
#57
Bisu is finished. I'm still in love with him, but I think it's time for the next generation of tosses.
Liquid | SKT
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 11 2010 15:14 GMT
#58
lol no bisu. he's the best of them obv.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 15:19:46
January 11 2010 15:18 GMT
#59
Keep dreaming, tossers! (I'm kidding :p Good read! Stork Hwaiting!)
AKA SuddenSalad
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 11 2010 15:20 GMT
#60
dude man, no Bisu?

That's low
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