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December Kespa Rankings - Page 3

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RRRMz
Profile Joined June 2009
Russian Federation37 Posts
December 01 2009 09:43 GMT
#41
On December 01 2009 17:22 Burned Toast wrote:
Dear July,
Please do something.
Yours truly.


Agree. Where are you, July?
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
December 01 2009 11:06 GMT
#42
Only 6 protoss
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 01 2009 11:09 GMT
#43
Kespa rankings should be thrown out. They are such a joke.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
December 01 2009 11:15 GMT
#44
On December 01 2009 20:09 Mastermind wrote:
Kespa rankings should be thrown out. They are such a joke.

+1.. it's just to slow to move
Flash #4 lol ???
n_n
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
December 01 2009 11:20 GMT
#45
On December 01 2009 16:56 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 16:54 raga4ka wrote:
Looks like jaedong will be # 1 until the end of time .


He lost like 250 points this month, if he doesn't win another league this season he'll almost certainly be dethroned.

Even then, JD still sits comfortably at his throne. It's going to be this way at least for the next 2 months. I'm hoping JD can at least maintain the #1 spot for a year. That would be very impressive.
lavion
Profile Joined September 2009
Singapore286 Posts
December 01 2009 11:23 GMT
#46
this kind of ranking reminds me of tennis lol.

you just have to be consistent for a long time to get a good ranking
Flash for bonjwa
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
December 01 2009 11:30 GMT
#47
Movie +18, holy fuck
POGGERS
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
December 01 2009 12:11 GMT
#48
On December 01 2009 18:43 RRRMz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 17:22 Burned Toast wrote:
Dear July,
Please do something.
Yours truly.


Agree. Where are you, July?

51. July[z-zone] with 317.6 points.

I'm surprised to see Flash 4th even thought Effort and Calm have been playing good.



TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
nonduc
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation405 Posts
December 01 2009 12:22 GMT
#49
JD started his current leading in April with 2664 Points. Bisu was the second with 2508 Pts.
Now in December JD is still first with 2549 Pts. But second is not Bisu — for the first time the second is EffOrt with 1640.6 Pts.
티라노사저그 렉스 화이팅~!
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
December 01 2009 23:20 GMT
#50
By now having a 9 months streak at the top of the Kespa ratings, (Z)Jaedong has beaten both (Z)sAviOr's and (T)iloveoov's longest streaks (of 8 months each) but is still behind (Z)July (11 months at the top) and still far behind (T)NaDa and (T)BoxeR (16 and 17 months respectively).
Creator of LoLTool.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 01 2009 23:25 GMT
#51
holy shit.... Jaedong is still 900+ from #2...
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
December 01 2009 23:30 GMT
#52
why is calm 3rd... didn't he get knocked out of msl and already lost a game in osl
also his pl performance wasn't that great either
( ・´ー・`)
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 23:33:11
December 01 2009 23:31 GMT
#53
On December 01 2009 20:09 Mastermind wrote:
Kespa rankings should be thrown out. They are such a joke.


Kespa rankings have their use, it's just that every single month without fail there is a new poster who has no clue how they work (a la TwoToneTerran in this thread for example) and start complaining before they understand the system. Kespa rankings are obviously not the best indicator of current shape, but do help gauge consistent performance.

Kespa rankings are fine. Stop expecting them to be something they're not.

Edit:

On December 02 2009 08:30 prototype. wrote:
why is calm 3rd... didn't he get knocked out of msl and already lost a game in osl
also his pl performance wasn't that great either


Perfect example... you do know he recently won a starleague, right?!?
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 23:44:36
December 01 2009 23:37 GMT
#54
On December 02 2009 08:31 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 08:30 prototype. wrote:
why is calm 3rd... didn't he get knocked out of msl and already lost a game in osl
also his pl performance wasn't that great either


Perfect example... you do know he recently won a starleague, right?!?


so does that mean his recent starleague win continues to add points or something... i'm not exactly sure how the kespa ranking system works, sorry.
( ・´ー・`)
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 23:48:51
December 01 2009 23:43 GMT
#55
On December 02 2009 08:37 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 08:31 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On December 02 2009 08:30 prototype. wrote:
why is calm 3rd... didn't he get knocked out of msl and already lost a game in osl
also his pl performance wasn't that great either


Perfect example... you do know he recently won a starleague, right?!?


so does that mean his recent starleague win continues to add points or something... i'm not exactly sure how the kespa ranking system works, sorry.


Absolutely it does.

If I remember correctly (I know there is a thread/article on it somewhere around here), the past 3 months are weighted the most heavily, with a decay for anything outside of that up to 12 months. This was to help the ranking more accurately show current form, while also helping to show who has consistently been performing.

Even though Kespa ranks get released monthly, they do not simply look back at the past month only. If they did, you'd have all sorts of wierd rankings and people would be up in arms about it... but focusing heavily on the past 3 months paints a better pictures, and as I said, Calm's MSL win factors into this (along with his PL performance), hence his high ranking for this month.


Edit - And what happens a lot of the time, is that older metrics will 'wear off', hence why you may have someone who had an ok month still getting passed by someone who had a terrible month... it just meant that person LOST more points overall than the other from old games rolling off.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 01 2009 23:45 GMT
#56
Yeah I kinda like Kespa rankings, some people forget winning a SL isn't just an achievement of one month.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
December 01 2009 23:50 GMT
#57
these rankings look incredibly skewed...
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 00:12:40
December 02 2009 00:12 GMT
#58
On December 01 2009 17:50 ThunderGod wrote:
Haha, how in hell is effort so high? He hasn't got anywhere in individual leagues that I recall...?


I'm pretty sure he got farther than Flash did last season.

:|
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Steve496
Profile Joined July 2009
United States60 Posts
December 02 2009 00:15 GMT
#59
Fundamentally, KeSPA rankings are just not designed as a measure of "who's playing the best right now" - for that, ELO is clearly a better measure. KeSPA is designed as a measure of "who's been most successful over the past year" - which means it's slower to react to hot streaks and slumps. Which is bad, because it doesn't reflect the fact that Flash has been looking unstoppable lately, but it also means he won't drop completely off the radar just because he's had a bad month or two.

For instance, Jaedong's ELO ranking is barely above Effort's right now, and for a while he was behind both Effort and Calm, as he's been struggling in ZvZ - but that doesn't mean he's suddenly a bad player. Even during that time, most people would say that Jaedong is "the best Z in the world right now" - and that's reflected in KeSPA, because it doesn't tank his rating just because he's had a rough month in ZvZ.

So: Flash has had a great month. If he has more great months, he'll climb the ratings further. But he hasn't been the most successful player in the last year by any stretch, so it's only sensible that he doesn't immediately pop to the top due to one good month.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 02 2009 00:16 GMT
#60
So Cloud wins one match and goes +62 haha
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