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Final Maps have been announced as:
Retained
Outsider (new version, 'Outsider SE')
Heartbreak Ridge
New
Tornado
Silver Wing --> Name changed to "Fighting Spirit"
Moon Glaive
Match Point
These will be implemented Round 1 of this season. As usual, two maps can be removed at the end of the round and be replaced with new ones.
EVER 2009 Starleague Round of 36 Schedule
Group A, 10/14
Game 1:  fOrGG vs  Pusan
Game 2: Canata vs Winner
Group B, 10/14
Game 1: Really vs  Shine
Game 2: Bisu vs Game 1 Winner
Group C, 10/16
Game 1: Calm vs Reality
Game 2: BackHo vs Game 1 Winner
Group D, 10/21
Game 1: JangBi vs Barracks
Game 2: Kwanro vs Game 1 Winner
Group E, 10/21
Game 1: sKyHigh vs ggaemo
Game 2: Stork vs Game 1 Winner
Group F, 10/23
Game 1: Light vs Movie
Game 2: hero vs Game 1 Winner
Group G, 10/28
Game 1: Mind vs HoGiL
Game 2: Flash vs Game 1 Winner
Group H, 10/28
Game 1: firebathero vs Jaehoon
Game 2: ZerO vs Game 1 Winner
Group I, 10/30
Game 1: Luxury vs GuemChi
Game 2: Hwasin vs Game 1 Winner
Group J, 11/4
Game 1: Horang2 vs FrOzean
Game 2: EffOrt vs Game 1 Winner
Group K, 11/4
Game 1: Pure vs Hyuk
Game 2: Leta vs Game 1 Winner
Group L, 11/6
Game 1: RorO vs RuBy
Game 2: go.go vs Game 1 Winner
Italics denote a Royal Roader
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Shame. I really liked Asgard's design. Thank got they got rid of Judgement Day.
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9070 Posts
Thanks a lot for posting this !
Pretty much 'the better' maps will get used in PL, as for the OSL schedule I think the draws are rather disappointing from a spectators point of view. Looking forward to Mind vs Flash and Hyuk vs Leta
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Nice to see that they've kept Outsider and HBR. Too bad Desti is gone, though.  The new maps seem decent.
FBH against Protoss?
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United States33371 Posts
I swear they're gonna release a map in the future that's called "Tornado" in English just to confuse us (current map Tornado is a translation from Korean).
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On October 06 2009 18:42 Holgerius wrote:Nice to see that they've kept Outsider and HBR. Too bad Desti is gone, though. The new maps seem decent. FBH against Protoss?
hes playing jaehoon -_-
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Give calm any easier of a group? Maybe frozean or ggaemo...
GO MOVIE/SKYHIGH! Movie has a nice chance vs hero if he gets past light... while sKyHigH has Stork T_T
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On October 06 2009 18:45 Waxangel wrote:
I swear they're gonna release a map in the future that's called "Tornado" in English just to confuse us (current map Tornado is a translation from Korean).
i refuse to ever call it yongohreum
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Group A, 10/14
Game 1: fOrGG vs Pusan
Game 2: Canata vs fOrGG
Group B, 10/14
Game 1: Really vs Shine
Game 2: Bisu vs Shine
Group C, 10/16
Game 1: Calm vs Reality
Game 2: BackHo vs Calm
Group D, 10/21
Game 1: JangBi vs Barracks
Game 2: Kwanro vs JangBi
Group E, 10/21
Game 1: sKyHigh vs ggaemo
Game 2: Stork vs ggaemo
Group F, 10/23
Game 1: Light vs Movie
Game 2: hero vs Movie
Group G, 10/28
Game 1: Mind vs HoGiL
Game 2: Flash vs Mind
Group H, 10/28
Game 1: firebathero vs Jaehoon
Game 2: ZerO vs Jaehoon
Group I, 10/30
Game 1: Luxury vs GuemChi
Game 2: Hwasin vs Luxury
Group J, 11/4
Game 1: Horang2 vs FrOzean
Game 2: EffOrt vs Horang2
Group K, 11/4
Game 1: Pure vs Hyuk
Game 2: Leta vs Hyuk
Group L, 11/6
Game 1: RorO vs RuBy
Game 2: go.go vs RuBy
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United States33371 Posts
Fomos posted a screenshot of Silver Wing, but they revealed the map name as 투혼/Tu Hon/Fighting Spirit
Is that a name change?
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Canata
Bisu
Calm
Jangbi
Stork
Movie
Flash
Zero
Hwasin
Effort
Leta
go.go
GOGOGOGO BISU THIS OSL IS YOURS; TAKE IT :D
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Forgg
Bisu
Calm
rax
Skyhigh
hero
Flash
Zero
Lux
Effort
Leta
go.go
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Ugh Flash vs Mind whyyyy
Mind is just brilliant enough to actually steal this from Flash (though it's no guarantee he beats Hogil)
I love Mind but I will be sooooo sad if Flash can't even make this OSL
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Expect a map pack update soon.
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Hyuk will have to face Leta? Geez, tough break. Can only hope his vT has improved drastically.
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Now I only have 3 maps to try and analyze..:D
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Nice new maps! I was waiting them, I really want to play them in iccup :D
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Damn, I really liked to see sKyHigh go far, but he is got a TvP vs Stork, so it is going to be a tough one.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
NO ASGARD?
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Group A: Canata
Group B:isu
Group C: Calm
Group D: JangBi or Kwanro...
Group E: Stork
Group F: Light - even tho this one is a toss up - Movie, Light, Hero - each 3 capable of raping this group easily if they have a good day. Now if all 3 are gonna have a good day this is gonna be a really NICE group.
Group G: Flash
Group H: Firebathero - Yes, Jaehoon is THAT bad vs Terran.
Group I: Hwasin
Group J: EffOrt
Group K: Leta - not an easy group tho.
Group L: pigterran (go.go)
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
Outsider SE?
Wasn't original Outsider already good enough? o_O
btw isn't pigterran canata?
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I'm disappointed Tornado made it - I think it'll play more or less just like Neo Harmony, with shades of Othello. Asgard and Judgment Day are both sad drops even though totally born out by the stats. Acro... was cool before it got overgassed, but hurrah for no Roadrunner.
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These maps are probably the best of the bunch, though I liked Acro (for potential macro games). Good choice. I hope the final versions are a bit more polished still, though.
Can't wait to see Outsider SE.
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Pretty happy with the map pool, though I would have loved to see Asgard make it in!
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i think they picked pretty much the best maps
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Any ideas what they'd do to make Outsider "SE"?
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
thanks for these news!
i found Outsider quite balanced, wonder what they've changed?
Desti & Outsider would have been better but HBR is kinda cool too..
Why is it made so easy for Bisu & Calm ;p
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The only thing I can think of that they might have changed on Outsider is the size of the mains. They're really small in the original.
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And Destination is gone. Gonna feel empty without you old friend but hopefully they'll have made some cool changed to Outsider.
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On October 06 2009 23:11 Gann1 wrote:
The only thing I can think of that they might have changed on Outsider is the size of the mains. They're really small in the original.
I really hope so. Because making the mains bigger would probably mean making the middle smaller which in turn makes terran a bit stronger. Terran really needs to get something out of this map the same way Protoss and Zerg does (vs Terrans) so that wuld be great.
Also I absolutely hate the small mains. I like having space to move freely through my bases and hate it when my base is structured so that a zerg can tear me apart with mutas or a protoss can camp one side of my base with arbiter / goons.
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go go FBH !
(and go go FOX members ;p)
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I doubt firebathero will get past zero even he even beats jaehoon. Flash in same group as Mind sucks balls.
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Light/Hero/Movie is tough, but Light is probably the favorite of the group in terms of MU strengths. His TvP is better than movies, and his TvZ better than Hero's.
Luxury's group is pretty tough to call, Guemchi is more than capable of beating Hwasin and Luxury, but the problem is all 3 of these players are streaky and inconsistent as hell.
I think Forgg will win his group, and hopefully Skyhigh topples the restored King of PvT.
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PvZ is going to be quite the interesting matchup given the map choices! Interesting as in possibly roller coasting from P>>>>>>>Z to Z>>>>>>>P until some new strats appear.
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BackHo and Calm in the same group? No way!
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Gah Mind is in the same group as Flash. Why couldn't they both be in different groups...but then again, Mind could lose to HoGiL seeing how inconsistent he is.
SkyHigh has an extremely daunting task if he beats ggaemo, against Stork's PvT. Stork won in dominating fashion in the All-Stars match and WCG against Fantasy (at that moment, having a stellar TvP record). Hard to see Skyhigh beating him, but SkyHigh did All-Kill Oz in the Winners playoffs.
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Katowice25012 Posts
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Speaking of OSL and maps....can someone remind me how the OSL determines the mappool? I know that they take at least one map from the PL mappool (I bet it will be Match Point).
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The map pool is actually decent for toss, I think. They took out the graveyards, put in the one with a positive record, retained 2 balanced ones, and one P>Z>T>P map.
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On October 07 2009 00:12 Nevuk wrote:
The map pool is actually decent for toss, I think. They took out the graveyards, put in the one with a positive record, retained 2 balanced ones, and one P>Z>T>P map.
Artosis would disagree
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Definitely glad Judgement Day isn't in the mix. Hope it stays that way.
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Lets go firebathero win this OSL!
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Oh thank god they didnt choose road runner. I thought I was going to explode if they chose the 4 player clone of Destination. Especially with how wonky all the bridges are going every witch-way.
I do really like match point though. I played a 30 minute game against a friend and its going to make for some really good matches I think.
Thanks for all the updates.
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On October 07 2009 00:31 KP_CollectoR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 00:12 Nevuk wrote:
The map pool is actually decent for toss, I think. They took out the graveyards, put in the one with a positive record, retained 2 balanced ones, and one P>Z>T>P map. Artosis would disagree
What, with Outsider and HBR? I actually think HBR is zerg favored, but not imbalanced (It's like 45% for PvZ). Yes, it's P>T, but not to the same extent as it is Z>T Z>P.
Outsider still isn't really determined for its balance, but I haven't seen Bisu whine about it yet, and I'm guessing they made the double gas expo more difficult or impossible to take. It's just such a strange map that I don't think any of the best builds for it have been figured out for any matchup.
I'm glad desti is gone. Map was feeling really dated.
Basically Moon Glaive is the only one that looks like it will be a toss graveyard. However, the map tests/lineup tests had it being strangely P favored. From watching Best v Yarnc it seems like it is just because Z haven't dealt with 1 base P for a while, so I'm expecting it to fully favor Z in PL.
Tornado seems like it will be Z>>P, P=T and T>Z. HBR is another map that's not great for P. The other 3 look to be good for at least 1 toss matchup. I feel bad for people who put 3 P on their FPL anti-teams.
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nice mapchoice, they kept the maps you can play without thinking and i like that :D
going for korean massgaming practice.
time to improve mechanics.
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I ain't missing Destination one bit, however Shades of Twilligt...
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On October 06 2009 18:42 Holgerius wrote:Nice to see that they've kept Outsider and HBR. Too bad Desti is gone, though. The new maps seem decent. FBH against Protoss?
Pfft terran user! Hmm no roadrunner either, oh well. Maybe less mech from now on!
Pretty pleased with the maps selected. I like all of them although I find match point quite strange and don't like the tileset, but it's okay. Moon Glaive is just beautiful, and Silver Wing seems like a really nice, standard map. Tornado is my least favorite of these maps. It's quite ugly and just seems very boring.
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On October 07 2009 02:37 craaaaack wrote:
nice mapchoice, they kept the maps you can play without thinking and i like that :D
going for korean massgaming practice.
time to improve mechanics.
You dirty macro-bot. We want fun, whacky (but still balanced) maps!
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United States889 Posts
No Asgard makes me sad. Still Heartbreak Ridge makes me sadder.
I'm glad Moon Glaive is in though. Still, there weren't many other 3 player maps to choose from, and we've seen plenty of Medusa. Thinking about 3 player maps makes me think of Plasma. Now I'm sad again.
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dam
so the CSL is playing on a map that's not being used in the proleague. awesome.
-_-
also are there any changes to outsider? i cant tell just from the SS
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There were some epic games on Asgard and Acro, but those were some imba maps.
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Yay, no Roadrunner, Judgement Day, or Acro 
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Looks like we're going to be seeing mirror matchups all over the place:
Outsider Z (unless they made some serious changes)
Heartbreak Ridge P
Moon Glaive T
Match Point T
Silver Wing and Tornado might be ok in terms of non mirrors.
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United States11390 Posts
On October 07 2009 05:10 SplashbackFerret wrote:Poor Clam, why did he have to get BackHo D:
Yeah, it sucks for Clam.
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On October 07 2009 03:53 Crunchums wrote:
Looks like we're going to be seeing mirror matchups all over the place:
Outsider Z (unless they made some serious changes)
Heartbreak Ridge P
Moon Glaive T
Match Point T
Silver Wing and Tornado might be ok in terms of non mirrors.
why would outsider and heartbreak ridge suddenly only be mirrors when last season they were really good in terms of nonmirrors?
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United States13896 Posts
On October 07 2009 00:12 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Speaking of OSL and maps....can someone remind me how the OSL determines the mappool? I know that they take at least one map from the PL mappool (I bet it will be Match Point).
Typically it's two PL maps, one recurring OSL-only map, and one OSL-only map that is quirky and only lasts one season.
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On October 07 2009 05:43 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 03:53 Crunchums wrote:
Looks like we're going to be seeing mirror matchups all over the place:
Outsider Z (unless they made some serious changes)
Heartbreak Ridge P
Moon Glaive T
Match Point T
Silver Wing and Tornado might be ok in terms of non mirrors. why would outsider and heartbreak ridge suddenly only be mirrors when last season they were really good in terms of nonmirrors?
Because people on TL posted threads about how imba they were and we all know how important TL is.
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On October 06 2009 18:46 CorSairHeRo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 18:42 Holgerius wrote:Nice to see that they've kept Outsider and HBR. Too bad Desti is gone, though. The new maps seem decent. FBH against Protoss? hes playing jaehoon -_-
rofl jaehoon is on my anti-team. hopefully FBH will create another trademark dance and piss off more progamers during this season
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Skyhigh and Mind! I believe!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Good to see Outsider and HBR retained. New maps should be interesting.
+ Show Spoiler +[/i]
I have (4) Protoss, (4) Terran, and (4) Zerg. Neat!
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What actually occurs on the opening day of PL?
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I'm a little disappointed... I really liked Asgard, and I think Silver Wing looks really bland.
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On October 07 2009 13:49 Nevuk wrote:
What actually occurs on the opening day of PL?
Games? Or maybe they announce the games for the next week since none have been announced yet?
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On October 07 2009 05:52 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 00:12 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Speaking of OSL and maps....can someone remind me how the OSL determines the mappool? I know that they take at least one map from the PL mappool (I bet it will be Match Point). Typically it's two PL maps, one recurring OSL-only map, and one OSL-only map that is quirky and only lasts one season.
i think they are going to abolish rotk since it has used/is near its maximum 4 season life span.
so i think ogn will introduce two new maps, unless they are insane and keep holy world.
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On October 07 2009 11:31 tree.hugger wrote:Good to see Outsider and HBR retained. New maps should be interesting. + Show Spoiler +C Calm > Reality BackHo vs CalmBackHo got unlucky in that he has to face a very smart zerg in his group. Calm's the favorite, but BackHo has a weird tendency to surprise the hell out of you. Upset watch. People need to get off Calm about calling him smart... it's not like he's a genius and other zergs are stupid.. use other describing words.
Anyway my predictions:
+ Show Spoiler +Group A, 10/14 Game 1: fOrGG < PusanGame 2: Canata < PusanSpirit Toss! Group B, 10/14 Game 1: Really < ShineGame 2: Bisu < Shineby.hero 2.0 Group C, 10/16 Game 1: Calm < RealityGame 2: BackHo > RealityCalm get's upset by Reality.. similar to sKyHigh beating Calm with BBS with his First Live appearance. Group D, 10/21 Game 1: JangBi > BarracksGame 2: Kwanro < JangBiJangBi can show off good enough PvZ to beat Kwanro. Group E, 10/21 Game 1: sKyHigh > ggaemoGame 2: Stork > sKyHighStork too good. Group F, 10/23 Game 1: Light < MovieGame 2: hero < MovieGo Movie! Group G, 10/28 Game 1: Mind < HoGiLGame 2: Flash vs HoGiLFlash too strong Group H, 10/28 Game 1: firebathero < JaehoonGame 2: ZerO > JaehoonFirst match is a tossup.. i'll go with Jaehoon, who will get crushed by ZerO hopefully :D. Group I, 10/30 Game 1: Luxury < GuemChiGame 2: Hwasin > GuemChigogo Hwasin! Group J, 11/4 Game 1: Horang2 > FrOzeanGame 2: EffOrt > Horang2Easy choice i think... Group K, 11/4 Game 1: (P) Pure > HyukGame 2: Leta < PureI do hope Hyuk shows some reallly good play, but i've hoped pure did something since his proleague run 1 season... let's hope he does it now (+ i don't like Leta) Group L, 11/6 Game 1: RorO < RuByGame 2: go.go > RuBygo.go edges past RuBy
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On October 07 2009 14:03 Sentient66 wrote:
I'm a little disappointed... I really liked Asgard, and I think Silver Wing looks really bland.
Yeah, but Silver Wing is more "balanced for Protoss"...
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any idea what changes were made to Outsider SE?
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