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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 04:46:49
December 13 2012 04:46 GMT
#1
My 4k: A Retrospective on Hosting on TL Mafia


First an Idea


It has been little over a year since I joined TL mafia. During this time I certainly have played many fun, great games with some really cool people. However I would suspect that people don't know me for my play, my "scumhunting" or my great in game moments. Probably because I enjoy hosting above all else.

It all started with a few ideas after reading some of the great games that came before me. The themed games particularly struck my interest. The PYPs, the PTPs, the insane mafia series, and the other crazy games all seemed to capture people's interest, and lead to wonderful, memorable experiences for everyone in the forum, not just the players.

Thus I came up with a role, Yugi Moto (version 1.0) and started to prepare for Aperture Mafia, my first game as the primary host.


So it all starts with a simple idea. Rather this is a role, mechanic, or really cool name. Any of these can be the basis of a themed game. What I plan to do in this post is help everyone who has these ideas to turn them into their own amazing games by talking about each game I have created (themed).

1) Aperture Mafia

I guess it would be pretty accurate if you used Aperture as a predictor for my future games. This was my first game and was going to be my "mark" on the forum (lol). I poured a lot into this game, and there were many late nights with iGrok trying to reform the roles.

However popular this game was, I learned a very important lesson that I would say is probably THE most important thing to think about when planning a game: Make your game fun for the players.

I would like to think everyone had fun, but there were a couple of things that I recognize looking back. First off a lot of people had vanilla roles in a "role madness game" which forced them to play a standard game of mafia with no night control. If you do this, make sure to have some way they can control the flow of the game. Secondly is the existance of the Kanti role. It is awesome but without proper countermeasures what happened during night one in my game will happen in yours. 6 people never got to play the game.
Also watch out for day vigs who can fire on day one.

2) TL Mafia LV and Chrono Trigger Mafia

My first Normal game to host, though it still had a theme. Overall it was a very fun game and something I had also wanted to do for a while. One thing that this game taught me was When creating a game with popular character lists, be sure you can't break the game with a mass claim.

The Flavor in this game was invader zim. We all know that Zim has to be mafia and Dib and the rest of the humans are probably not on the invader side. This can present an In game problem. All town needs to do is mass claim, surely I would not make the humans on the non-human team! Therefore it is important as a host that you think about what happens if everyone name-claims. Think about leaving out a main character for a fake-claim, or making a main character a member of the mafia.

Chrono Trigger taught me this same lesson (though the claims were not too much of an issue due to the existence of a few roles). Chrono trigger also taught me to consider the length of your game. If you don't have many kill roles with a lot of people and not many lynches, people are not going to die and the game will last a while and people might get burnt out (I can only hope that I am forgiven for this, haha).

3) Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition

In this game the goal was to make night actions so hard to actually get done, that people were forced to actually play the game and not rely on them. (as an interesting aside, this is how I avoid people breaking my games. I just make actions so confusing that not even I can keep track).

One thing I did learn was to Identify the skill required to execute roles to the optimum. this game featured another faction with a very interesting mechanic involving the player list. Unfortunately if one thing in their actions failed, it became very hard to get anything done. When making a game, make sure each role is made to stand alone to some degree. interactions are encouraged, but a player needs to be able to feel that HE can get something accomplished himself. relying on others is part of the game, but being FORCED to rely on others should not be.


So whats in it for the future? To be honest I was a bit burnt out before Chrono Trigger Mafia. I was seeing a lot of games turn out the same ways with people trying to "game the system" and a lot of animosity between games. I was considering stopping after Chrono Trigger, making it my final game to contribute to the forums.

And then I decided to let a few new players join Chrono Trigger, and my outlook was changed. The activity in that game really told me you guys love my games, and thus my current game, Parallel mafia was born. The formation of this game taught me something that leads back to the start of this post: When you get an idea, attack it with all you've got and run with it!

I will not stop hosting my games anytime soon, and I hope someday I get to make a role tailored to each one of you. Because rest assured I have so many ideas in store just for you guys.

And I plan to run with them.

****
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10534 Posts
December 13 2012 05:50 GMT
#2
congratz on 4k! my 4k wasnt that long ago. xD
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
December 13 2012 06:34 GMT
#3
Congratulations on your 4k. Very big achievement
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 07:14:57
December 13 2012 07:11 GMT
#4
Aperture mafia was your 1st primary host game? Really?

lol I thought you were like a super-old-wise-host by then when I joined that game
Pretty fucking good for your first hosted game I'd say



EDIT: No!!!! Don't stop hosting

If I ever release the Mafia system then your setups will basically be the only ones challenging me to update it
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
December 13 2012 12:16 GMT
#5
Congrats on the 4k :D

Reading through the Chrono Trigger Mafia from the start was a very pleasant experience. I found myself constantly waiting for the Day Post to read the crazy roles you conjured. Aperture Mafia was a treat as well. Keep hosting games!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 13 2012 14:14 GMT
#6
Thanks guys! I encourage you to read my latest game which is currently ongoing. If you would like PM me for a link to the observer quicktopic.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
December 13 2012 15:13 GMT
#7
Congratz on the 4k, we had a lot of fun organizing and coming up with Chrono Trigger Mafia. I will continue to play in your games as long as you make them! I hope you considered me a good co-host and we can work together on another game in the future. Or maybe I'll host a game and come to you for your wise game making knowledge! Also, lol I thought the same as gonzaw when I joined Aperture 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 13 2012 17:28 GMT
#8
that parallel world one was some crazy stuff

keep on hosting!
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 13 2012 19:10 GMT
#9
On December 14 2012 00:13 Mementoss wrote:
Congratz on the 4k, we had a lot of fun organizing and coming up with Chrono Trigger Mafia. I will continue to play in your games as long as you make them! I hope you considered me a good co-host and we can work together on another game in the future. Or maybe I'll host a game and come to you for your wise game making knowledge! Also, lol I thought the same as gonzaw when I joined Aperture 1.


I cohosted sleeper cell 2 right before. Aperture mafia was actually born out of trying to come up with roles for sleeper cell 2. This was alluded to in the flavor of the endgame post.

Im glad you guys think highly of my hosting that you couldn't tell it was my first game :D
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 19:34:36
December 13 2012 19:31 GMT
#10
Congratulations on 4k! For some reason I thought you had been hosting for far longer than reality, pretty surprised to hear Aperture was your first primary game. Guess the set-up you crafted had been pretty memorable :p
While I quit mafia due to time-requirement and probably won't get chance to play your games, I do have to say Parallel Mafia had been interesting to lurk through so far. Good luck on your future games~
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
December 14 2012 00:18 GMT
#11
IN AMERICAAAAAAAAA~!

No, seriously, you set the benchmark extremely high with your previous games, but Parallel is just ridiculously good :D

Can't wait to see how things develop...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 14 2012 00:40 GMT
#12
grats on 4k I'm just waiting for my first game of TL mafia to start actually. looking forward to it
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
December 14 2012 02:04 GMT
#13
Cheers and enjoy, Grey, it's always a pleasure to play/observe your games!
Trust in Bayes.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 02:53:51
December 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#14
Theme games are really tough to execute. A lot of the time, a small detail will swing the game one way or another and turn out to be a dud. However, in my opinion, the successful themed games far exceed normal and mini games in terms of entertainment. Themed games don't have to be crazy in order to be interesting. It's always fun to play in a setup, such as yours, that challenges you to overcome mechanics that are completely foreign.

Congrats on 4k
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 13:51 GMT
#15
It was a great pleasure reading this blog, much like reading kita's was. It was interesting to get a host's perspective. Unlike kita, themed games generally aren't my thing, but I decided to give Chrono a go and despite having a somewhat vanilla role and dying early, I had tremendous fun, so I signed up for Parallel too.

Your games are truly a gift to TL Mafia, and grats on 4k ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 15 2012 02:21 GMT
#16
Grats on the 4k and thanks for some awesomely constructed and hosted games. =]
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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