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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 06:33:54
October 30 2012 00:14 GMT
#1
I’ve been toying with the idea of using my blog to share build order skeletons for a few weeks now, but haven’t found a build interesting enough to talk about until I saw all the recent discussion about Parting’s immortal sentry all-in. After all-killing LG-IM in the GSTL, he gave an awesome interview that was full of confidence and personality – “In practice matches, I've performed around 70 Immortal timing attacks, and I have never seen anyone block one. There are no Zergs who can defend against my Immortal rush in Wings of Liberty." That quote led me to research this build in more depth, and after seeing an excellent post on the “All Things Protoss” subreddit, I decided to start learning the build and work on mastering more aggressive PvZ builds.

Build order skeleton:

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Safer and more recent variant:

Thanks to TL-user oOOoOphidian for sending me this:

"Here are the most recent timings on his build. They're mostly the same as they were in September, but the small changes seem to help, especially the opener. The timings of the opener allow you to be completely safe against 14 pool, which the old opener did not (especially with Forge in main).

16 Nexus, Forge
17 Pylon, Gateway, Cannon
19 2x Gas
24 Core
30 Pylon
32 Stalker (Chrono once), Warp Gate
34 Robo (5:36), Gas
Pylon, Sentry, +1 Attack, Pylon (at main ramp)
Immortal, 3x Gateway (at main ramp), Sentry
Immortal, 4th Gas, 2x Gate, Sentry
(wg finish 8:00)
Warp in 2 Sentries

Push at 8:50 with 7 Sentry, 3 Immortal, 1 Stalker to set up a single proxy pylon
Rally warp prism and make 7th Gate
Wall off natural with 2 more pylons, wall off rest of main with 1 more pylon
Warp in 2 Sentries and 2 Zealots as you move out."

Greediest variant for maximum strength:

Thanks to Reddit user pandazrule93 for taking the time to write this up from a Parting VoD:

9 Pylon (in main)
Chronoboost probes 3 times
17 Nexus
17 Forge in main
17 Pylon at nat
17 Resume probe production
18 Gate at nat
18/19 Cannon at nat
20 Double gas in main
23 Pylon at nat
24 Cybernetics core @ gateway 100% complete
26 Research +1 ground weapons
30 Research warpgate @ cybernetics core 100% complete
30 Stalker (optional chronoboost on it)
36 Robotics facility
36 1st gas at nat
36 Pylon - place this for partial wall-off at the top of your main ramp
@100 gas start sentry
44 Add 2 gates
46 Build immortal + Chronoboost it
54 2nd gas at nat
54 Add 1 gate
60 Add 3 gates

Notes:
Stop producing probes at full saturation (44)
Go up to 3 immortals
Push out at 8:50 with 3 immortals, 1 stalker, 1 zealot, 7 sentries
Warp prism and observer after 3rd immortal
Wall-off your natural (and main) as push leaves
Hit at 10:00 - go straight for the Zerg's natural, don't waste time attacking his 3rd base (this lets you forcefield his ramp to isolate reinforcements if you get into position as well)
All chronoboost on probes and then immortals. Your robotics facility should never stop being chronoboosted once the first immortal is started.
Parting positions his stalker to deny overlord scouts, so don't keep it out on the map for very long



Tips / Tricks / Thoughts:

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Here are some tips and tricks posted by Reddit user bearrosaurus (some slight paraphrasing on my part):

- Parting goes Nexus first, Forge in his main base, and no scouting until the 18 gateway to max his mining. All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine.*
- No +1 armor. It looks like all the chronoboosts are on probes, and then on the robo nonstop.
- His stalker is placed to deny the overlord scout at 7 min.
- Probes cut when the first Immortal finishes (44 probes).

*RemarK note: on ladder, I would be scared of not scouting for so long versus a Zerg player, so if you aren't comfortable with it, feel free to 9 scout or build a blind 13 Forge and scout with the probe that builds the Forge - the build will still work!

One thought / comment I have on this build is that its effectiveness is directly correlated to how fast you can push out with it – if you aren’t succeeding with it, make sure that you are pushing out with the same amount of units at the same time that Parting does.



VoDs:

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Safer version VoDs:

Parting vs Losira GSL VoD - most recent VoD

Greedy version VoDs:

Parting vs Curious - WCS Asia Ro8

Parting vs Roro - WCS Asia - Two games here, starts at 1h39m

Parting vs Leenock GSL VoD (requires GOMTV subscription)



Replays + Analysis:

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RemarK vs Swarm - this replay was after I spent some time practicing the build versus my teammates and shows much better execution on the macro side than the other replays I have here.

Disclaimer: the replays vs Dreamizer and Hawk are only my 2nd and 3rd time executing the build ever - they are NOT an example of a perfect or ever close to perfect level of execution of the build. The VoDs will be more helpful for learning the exact build, the replays are here simply to chronicle my own experiences with this build.

RemarK vs MYiDreamizer – he played very interestingly. His response to this build was cutting lair + evo chamber, and never droning too hard. If I had read the situation properly, I could have just backed off after killing drones at his 3rd base and been ahead in both tech and economy. However, this was only my 2nd time trying the build and I overcommitted to aggression and lost the game. Also, my push was hitting later than it should so I believe just executing Parting’s build properly would have translated to a fairly straightforward win as well.

RemarK vs QuanticHawk– I’m not sure if Hawk misread my build or just messed up his control by letting me get into a deadly position with my units (especially sentries), but this game could been a lot closer if he had more units and better positioning. He was going for a very ling-heavy defense, but could not directly engage my army when I first moved out and his attempt to get the lings past my wall was ineffective. This game I moved out faster than the first game versus Dreamizer, but I still need to improve things like preemptively placing my gateways to wall of at my main ramp and moving my army across the map in a tight ball formation.


Final Notes:

Given that this post is much shorter on detail and advice than any of my formal guides plus includes lots of citations from others, I decided to post it here under the format of a discussion rather than as a guide in the Strategy forum. I’ll continue practicing the build over the next few days, and update this post with more replays + analysis. Also, if anyone knows of more VoDs of this build, please post here or PM me so that I can add them to this post. I hope some of you join me in this conversation and post your results / replays with this build here for further discussion!

About Me:

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I'm Matt "RemarK" Kramer, a grandmaster Protoss on the NA server. I come from an FPS background (competitive Halo player for 5+ years), and I switched to SC2 starting December 2010. I currently play for Frost eSports. You can learn more about me in my Stream hub thread here on TeamLiquid, or by checking out my stream and Twitter (@remarkiwa).


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I <3 StarCraft.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 30 2012 00:31 GMT
#2
Good skeleton, but it's the WonWonWon.

Alternatively, you could call it the ZERGBONGER~
aMEkaRmy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada633 Posts
October 30 2012 00:50 GMT
#3
What is the reaction to a 6/10 pool?
Team Captain for FXO.NA Follow me on twitter @FXOkarmy
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 30 2012 00:54 GMT
#4
On October 30 2012 09:50 LgNkarmy wrote:
What is the reaction to a 6/10 pool?


I play more standard and either 9-scout or blind 13-forge. I think he gets away with not scouting like that due to Code S metagame.
I <3 StarCraft.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 30 2012 01:05 GMT
#5
Why is this in blogs? i realize that it is not detailed enough for the strategy section, but I don't know if blogs is the best place for this. Though, very nice B-O and style, I love parting . Also all parting does to react to a 6 pool is WIN.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
October 30 2012 02:11 GMT
#6
All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine


Don't you think this is a little unsafe? Seeing a hatchery doesn't mean you're safe.
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#7
On October 30 2012 11:11 Oboeman wrote:
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All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine


Don't you think this is a little unsafe? Seeing a hatchery doesn't mean you're safe.


Hmm well, like I said, I don't follow that part of the build (I use standard scouting times, no-scout until 18 + nexus first is definitely greedy) but I think if you've scouted a 3rd base go down, the only thing you have to worry about is a slow zergling all-in which can be defended just by having a probe at your wall plugging the hole.
I <3 StarCraft.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 02:59:18
October 30 2012 02:58 GMT
#8
Why this is only a blog...really could be turned into a guide
And please do more of these in the future if you can
¯\_(シ)_/¯
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 30 2012 18:31 GMT
#9
On October 30 2012 11:58 Whatson wrote:
Why this is only a blog...really could be turned into a guide
And please do more of these in the future if you can


I wasn't comfortable posting it as a guide because:

1) I have kinda high standards for myself when I write guides, as far as including lots of information, advice on how to respond to every situation, and updating them periodically and answering the questions people. I didn't have the energy or motivation to turn this into a full-fledged guide, and I had just started using this build yesterday so I don't have the experience or understanding yet to talk about this strategy in Guide-worthy detail.

2) A sizable amount of this blog post includes content that was written by people I don't know on Reddit - I wasn't comfortable posting stuff I didn't write as a formal guide without their permission, and I wanted to make a fairly small write-up and just get this post online yesterday.

I might adapt it into a full-fledged guide after I have more understanding of the build and replays to share.

And yeah, I will be working on more content like this in the future. Both formal guides and smaller build order skeletons like this
I <3 StarCraft.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 18:40:39
October 30 2012 18:40 GMT
#10
I could swear i've seen him go robo before +1 to get his immortals out asap and i thought that was why his pushes are so much faster.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#11
He has like 3 different variations

Spent countless of hours watching his WonWonWon build through like 7 vods.

He has one where he goes with just 2 immortals but most of his builds revolve around 3 immortals, etc etc
xPabt
Profile Joined February 2012
226 Posts
October 30 2012 21:31 GMT
#12
I think in that game he went straight for the natural as a reaction to leenock going for the base trade situation.
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 30 2012 21:41 GMT
#13
Thanks to Reddit user WonWonWon, there are now two more VoDs in the OP - they do not require GOM subscription as they are from WCS Asia!
I <3 StarCraft.
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 31 2012 03:00 GMT
#14
Thank you so much remark. Someone actually did a guide a few months back of Parting's immortal sentry all-in when he did it vs Ret at red bull battlegrounds but this build has been proven to be more powerful and advance. Thank you.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
QuantumChaos
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-31 03:40:08
October 31 2012 03:39 GMT
#15
Since the Parting v Roro vod is over 2 hours long, game one starts at 1:39:40 (may want to add to OP)
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
October 31 2012 03:57 GMT
#16
On October 31 2012 12:39 QuantumChaos wrote:
Since the Parting v Roro vod is over 2 hours long, game one starts at 1:39:40 (may want to add to OP)


The link in the OP has the time stamp in it, so it should automatically take you to the right time. I'll put a note in the link though in case that doesn't work for people.
I <3 StarCraft.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
October 31 2012 06:39 GMT
#17
Has he seriously never lost to a Zerg with this? I find that incredibly hard to believe. If he got the point where he straight up was never losing against another race, combined with his amazing PvT and good PvP he would be much more dominant than he currently is.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
zaner132
Profile Joined February 2011
United States25 Posts
October 31 2012 06:53 GMT
#18
On October 31 2012 15:39 Havik_ wrote:
Has he seriously never lost to a Zerg with this?


Maybe he only does it on maps that he knows it is strong on? Or he only follows through with build/attack if he sees zerg doing certain things? I don't think he meant that he blindly goes sentry immortal all-in every game no matter what.

Instead, he probably meant that every time he chooses to go sentry immortal all-in he wins.
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
October 31 2012 09:01 GMT
#19
By making your first forge in your main, you are virtually guaranteeing that he will have lings in your base. Right? Or is there some way to prevent this?

-Cross
PolishxThunder
Profile Joined May 2011
United States153 Posts
October 31 2012 15:29 GMT
#20
Go to Scvods and look up Squirtle's pvz, I remember there being like 2 games where he did the same build (Vs Curious on Ohana is one)
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