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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-24 19:50:54
September 24 2009 19:47 GMT
#1
When I'm on the receiving end of cheese, I will just gg and leave, keeping any frustrations to myself. Calling myself a nice guy would be arrogant, but I do like to be friendly even with random strangers and won't hesitate to strike up a conversation.

Not everyone acts the same though, so in an attempt to understand the mentality of complainers (not really it's just for your entertainment) I thought I'd analyse some particularly candid bad manner.

*Pictures&Text in spoilers

Case 1:
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So after various forms of interesting verbal abuse for standard play I decide that maybe that's the wrong way to play on iccup.

So I play a PvZ on python where I make 2gates in my natural:
4:08 - NeT.brandon: ur so fucking cheesy
4:13 - Nytefish: play to win
4:16 - NeT.brandon: your a newb
4:21 - Nytefish: says the loser
4:29 - NeT.brandon: w/e newb

I attempt to make him explain why he would call me a newb but he dismisses it and ragequits. Perhaps I was a little abrasive.

Next it's a PvT on heartbreak, upon joining the game and selecting my race I'm greeted with "protoss... typical". I figure that perhaps it's the unexpected nature of cheese that makes it so strong, so I decide to declare my intentions:
0:19 - Nytefish: gpnna proxy gate you
0:24 - SpruceChess: standard
0:45 - Nytefish: actually nvm dt drop
0:59 - Nytefish: want me to proxy the tech or not?

I guess it backfired a bit, this Terran really didn't want to be cheesed so he stole my gas.
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But I'm a man of my word so I proceed to do it anyway.
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Forget the complete failure to defend DTs despite being warned, if you're playing on an imbalanced map all losses are the map's fault.

The Lesson
- A day of iccup will get you and your mother raped in the arse.
- DTs are unfair.




Case 2:
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Now for once we have a guy who doesn't complain about cheese, however in this case that's because the perpetrator of the dairy curd happens to be him.

The Game
It begins as a standard PvZ on Destination. After scouting no lair, 3hatch on 2 base, I get a little suspicious.

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This is soon followed by:
9:27 - [RS6]: camper
9:28 - Nytefish: lol
9:30 - Nytefish: what do you expect
9:31 - Nytefish: no 3rd

He didn't reply so I assumed my explanation was adequate. After a few minutes he decides the course of the game is still not to his liking:
14:48 - [RS6]: ya baby
14:50 - [RS6]: more camp
14:50 - [RS6]: ^^
14:53 - Nytefish: so?
14:54 - Nytefish: win..
14:58 - [RS6]: yea
15:01 - [RS6]: but its lame
15:03 - Nytefish: so
15:08 - Nytefish: there's no right way to win
15:14 - [RS6]: no fun to play
15:16 - [RS6]: with that
15:18 - [RS6]: make me mad
15:19 - [RS6]: :/
15:22 - Nytefish: well

The camping he's complaining about is that I refused to attack into this without obs.
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It's not long before I mine out the mineral in the back and simply walk round his contain, he leaves the game with one final quip.
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It seems he is unable to read numbers, this probably accounts for his poor understanding of the game. If in fact he wasn't talking about his resources but the amount of warts on his genitalia then I apologize and agree that it would be no fun.

The Lesson
- Do not defend cheese or you are a camper.
- If you wait until you have enough to break a lurker contain, you are a camper.



Case 3:
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The Game
PvT on python, starts off as usual, scouting after gateway finds Terran on the first try.

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My probetard is pretty chuffed he managed to kill one of those big bad black SCVs but immediately after is popped from behind by an even bigger, meaner one.

At this point I realise I have no clue what the Terran will do, so I decide to 2gate goon pressure to get some information.

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However he loses his scout SCV almost instantly (and I still don't know what he's doing) so I decide "why not DT drop?" and cancel the range upgrade.

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Unfortunately for him he placed turrets to stop reaver and was too slow in making one near his SCVs.

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I was expecting a ragequit but he turns out to be quite vocal about his distastes for various types of people:
7:12 - Shotcoder: be a bigger noob plz
7:14 - Nytefish: k
7:37 - Shotcoder: what would you do with toss?
7:42 - Nytefish: eh?
7:48 - Shotcoder: ah a canadian
7:53 - Nytefish: oui
7:54 - Shotcoder: no wonder your a fag
7:55 - Nytefish: oui monsieur

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8:40 - Shotcoder: fucking homo
8:45 - Nytefish: learn to play
8:45 - Shotcoder: dts rush noob
9:08 - Nytefish: what's wrong with gays
9:18 - Shotcoder: they play toss
9:26 - Nytefish: and your basis is?
9:30 - Shotcoder: you
9:36 - Nytefish: so#?
9:38 - Nytefish: i'm gay so what?
9:49 - Shotcoder: just another homo noob
9:57 - Nytefish: yes so?
9:59 - Nytefish: you have a point?

Although it was the standard racist homophobic behaviour, I had finally found a talker and to further understand him I continued to egg him on.

10:02 - Shotcoder: no macro skill so gotta rush
10:12 - Nytefish: macro isn't the only skill in this game
10:22 - Shotcoder: yea being a cheeser is another you noob
10:30 - Nytefish: stop acalling me noob
10:33 - Shotcoder: NOOB
10:34 - Nytefish: it makes you look worse
10:46 - Shotcoder: cant be worse than a toss noob so I'm fine
10:57 - Nytefish: this game doesn't care about who palys the macro game
11:00 - Nytefish: only who wins
11:11 - Nytefish: you'd be wise to learn that
11:13 - Shotcoder: I guess toss noobs only care about winning
11:15 - Shotcoder: wise?
11:21 - Shotcoder: you're not wise my friend
11:26 - Nytefish: i didn't say i was

Although I was trying to impart whatever knowledge I had about the win/loss system, he didn't seem very receptive.

Anyway he was still playing so I thought his only way to come back would be drop play and did the standard counter.

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14:38 - Shotcoder: fucking chobo toss
14:43 - Nytefish: you're the loser mate
14:45 - Shotcoder: wish I could play such an OP race
14:47 - Nytefish: calling me bad
14:49 - Nytefish: just makes you worse
14:51 - Shotcoder: you are bad
14:57 - Shotcoder: have to use dt rush to win
14:57 - Nytefish: and your basis is?
14:59 - Shotcoder: = horrible
15:02 - Nytefish: dt rush is unfair because?
15:09 - Shotcoder: dt rush is just like cheese
15:14 - Nytefish: cheese is unfair because?
15:16 - Shotcoder: grow a pair and play straight

I wanted to know why standard macro play was the only fair way to win but all he could tell me was that I lacked testicles.

The Lesson
- Canadians and homosexuals are bad at Starcraft.
- If someone DT rushes you, your macro game is immediately better than theirs, no exceptions.




I have censored my username because due to the viciousness of certain players I am led to believe using DTs is equivalent to killing and raping their family. In case a charge is brought against me I will remain anonymous.

***
No I'm never serious.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 24 2009 19:53 GMT
#2
Just report them as BM on forums :-D But yeah, happens to me as well.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-24 19:55:22
September 24 2009 19:55 GMT
#3
Why would you just GG and leave when cheesed though? It's not like cheese always works

And yeah, lots of kids have amazingly bad manners on ICCUP
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 24 2009 20:00 GMT
#4
The camping he's complaining about is that I refused to attack into this without obs.

PLZ RUN INTO MY LURKERS.

7:37 - Shotcoder: what would you do with toss?
7:42 - Nytefish: eh?
7:48 - Shotcoder: ah a canadian
7:53 - Nytefish: oui
7:54 - Shotcoder: no wonder your a fag
7:55 - Nytefish: oui monsieur

lol
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 24 2009 20:02 GMT
#5
Fact is that many people that play games are teenagers or even younger. You really can't expect maturity from people that haven't had time to mature yet.
I understand that losing is frustrating, but why bother insulting, hiding buildings and disconnecting? I never understood that kind of mentality.
Sullifam
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 24 2009 20:04 GMT
#6
lol i love gems like these.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
September 24 2009 20:05 GMT
#7
On September 25 2009 04:55 Foucault wrote:
Why would you just GG and leave when cheesed though? It's not like cheese always works


I mean when I lose a game to cheese.
No I'm never serious.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
September 24 2009 20:16 GMT
#8
LOL

I rarely do anything like dt drop when I play so I dont get a lot of those players.

However, I do get A LOT of zergs complaining when they 3h hydras and I add cannons in my nat because I dont have archives yet.
"OMG, Protoss so easy. Just mass cannon gg"
"Nice cannon D noob"
etc etc.

What do they want me to do? Respond with triple stargate sair and lose?
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
September 24 2009 20:20 GMT
#9
lmao great blog.

If you show utter dominance they usually just leave the game instead of saying anything, or call you a noob and leave instead of talking really, but yeah, these people are pretty pathetic.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
September 24 2009 20:24 GMT
#10
ive gotten BM after a completely standard game before, in fact i was really surprised at that
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
September 24 2009 20:28 GMT
#11
hearbreaker is imba... he's right.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
September 24 2009 20:45 GMT
#12
I basically don't talk or type at all when I'm playing on iccup. I don't really find too much bm from my oppenents either. I think there is a correlation between the two.
Hi
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 24 2009 20:47 GMT
#13
Yeah I don't see any bad manners because I don't talk inside game. Maybe you should try too. Seems like you were bashing weaker players, which I don't see point making blog.
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
September 24 2009 20:48 GMT
#14
whoever needs to talk to OP about using DTs and whatnot here his icup id
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/341723/1x1.html
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 24 2009 20:49 GMT
#15
I BM'd once today in a ZvZ game. That's because I was bit tired after work, made game to play some fun shit and guy fast expoed and put 4 sunkens and 5 spores for both main and natural. Pissed me off :p
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-24 20:50:54
September 24 2009 20:50 GMT
#16
On September 25 2009 05:47 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Yeah I don't see any bad manners because I don't talk inside game. Maybe you should try too. Seems like you were bashing weaker players, which I don't see point making blog.


I explicitly state that I want to talk in the OP .

According to these guys I'm the weaker player.
No I'm never serious.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
September 24 2009 20:54 GMT
#17
I expect to find myself in there.

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phew, dodged this one, i live to tell another day
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
September 24 2009 20:58 GMT
#18
I played that Shotcoder guy today too, he scouted my 9 pool and still let me up his ramp.. he didn't complain about that though, just left without saying anything after I broke his nat.

Guess TvP is really that frustrating :p
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
September 24 2009 21:05 GMT
#19
On September 25 2009 05:45 kidd wrote:
I basically don't talk or type at all when I'm playing on iccup. I don't really find too much bm from my oppenents either. I think there is a correlation between the two.


the real correlation is that this seriously only happens in D/D+ ranks maybe C- late in the season. I've NEVER seen people be really bm and annoying in higher ranked games.

Complain more, less skills seem to be the trend
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
NevilleS
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada266 Posts
September 24 2009 21:11 GMT
#20
Yeah, heartbreak is so imbalanced, it makes DT drop literally impossible to stop. When a DT walks or is shuttled over the ridge, they get +1 boots of cunning that make them permanently invisible, even to turrets and scan. It's totally unfair, and you sir, should be punished for exploiting a known bug...
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