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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On April 12 2010 21:21 n3m0 wrote: that explains how jaedong lost to baby a few months ago xd If you are a true Jaedong fan, you will hope to god, that he lost because he was outplayed, and not because he took a bribe. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
I think I worded it wrong, what I meant was it doesn't really saying anything about my comment.. who gives a fuck if the corrupted korean police(this was even stated by rekrul) are investigating, similar situations happen like this all the time, and just because the police are looking into it doesn't mean that it's the 'smoking gun' to these illegal acts | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On April 12 2010 10:51 xbarisg wrote: id guess winners league matches are less likely to be rigged because theres no way for betting sites to know what the matchups are going to be beforehand. the only betting opportunities would be the first set and who wins the series, so savior would have to be betting against cj to have any incentive to lose. maybe he just doesnt care whether he wins or loses Good point. I don't know if these illegal betting sites allow for betting on hypothetical match-ups, but you are probably right. My point was that even though I thought this for me as a viewer would be neglectible, it still gave me a hard time when watching. A lot of the meta-talk also becomes polluted, and I might have to engage in the argument that Savior's slump was produced from this myself, which diverts attention from the many wonderful things in the games. Hopefully, we will forget this soon, and carry on in life as usual  | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
On April 13 2010 03:16 diehilde wrote: honestly it may sound weird, but rek gained a toooon of respect in my book. He kinda comes of as an arrogant douche in most of his posts, but I can really feel he is a somewhat morally respectable person deep inside from this video. If thats a trend, he should be really nice to meet in person ^^ The ones who doubted are obviously new people who hasn't known him or to this site. Rekrul just brought things early to the table. The "newbies" just needed to be patient and not demand proof. Just needed to wait. I wish we can mark these people by going through these two threads so I can skip their pointless postings/arguments while browsing. These people are like trying to show people they're making a new discovery with math but end up with showing us the same shit we already know eg. 1 + 1 = 2 again. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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zzangbbangddong
Antigua/Barbuda21 Posts
On April 13 2010 03:16 diehilde wrote: honestly it may sound weird, but rek gained a toooon of respect in my book. He kinda comes of as an arrogant douche in most of his posts, but I can really feel he is a somewhat morally respectable person deep inside from this video. If thats a trend, he should be really nice to meet in person ^^ Same here, I liked his speech about "climbing the fucking mountain", | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Swarmy
Canada70 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 13 2010 02:38 lokiM wrote: I think I worded it wrong, what I meant was it doesn't really saying anything about my comment.. who gives a fuck if the corrupted korean police(this was even stated by rekrul) are investigating, similar situations happen like this all the time, and just because the police are looking into it doesn't mean that it's the 'smoking gun' to these illegal acts you obviously don't follow the korean websites. Trust me, the naver's, fomos, etc. will NOT post that kind of stuff on a whim. | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
On April 13 2010 04:52 Aerox wrote: The ones who doubted are obviously new people who hasn't known him or to this site. Rekrul just brought things early to the table. The "newbies" just needed to be patient and not demand proof. Just needed to wait. I wish we can mark these people by going through these two threads so I can skip their pointless postings/arguments while browsing. These people are like trying to show people they're making a new discovery with math but end up with showing us the same shit we already know eg. 1 + 1 = 2 again. I was one of them, mark me. What did Rekrul do? He gave rumors we gathered by korean Fansites one day afterwards. What an accomplishment! I gotta admit I liked the way he did it though. Getting drunk and brag, that's entertainment. David Hasselhoff style. But we shouldn't thank him too much. Plus, I can't emphasize this enough: We have to be careful not to witchhunt. Rumors =/= Facts. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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WaveMotion
United States147 Posts
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Anderuth
China1 Post
cuz I am from China?? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
I'd like to see some. I actually remember a game from long time ago (before all this shit came to light) about 2 players they were playing so bad versus each other and someone joked that they were both trying to throw the game. (might have involved stork and been a pvp ?) | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On April 13 2010 11:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Has anyone gone back and rounded up a bunch of vods where players lost game suspiciously? I'd like to see some. I actually remember a game from long time ago (before all this shit came to light) about 2 players they were playing so bad versus each other and someone joked that they were both trying to throw the game. (might have involved stork and been a pvp ?) Some people already mentioned that. I think it was in WCG and Stork tried to lose so he could avoid Hwasin. It didn't involve betting, it was just player dodging. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11598 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 13 2010 11:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Has anyone gone back and rounded up a bunch of vods where players lost game suspiciously? I'd like to see some. I actually remember a game from long time ago (before all this shit came to light) about 2 players they were playing so bad versus each other and someone joked that they were both trying to throw the game. (might have involved stork and been a pvp ?) When it comes to savior, potentially his skins match vs flash (went 3-0, then lost the next 4), I mean its flash. but it was 2008, so its not inconceivable. Get the money from winning the three games, win more money from throwing the last 4. Again, it vs flash, so it could be legit. That game vs FBH on RH3 where he did that nooby attack. His games in the prelims: His games vs Bisu even (Yes I mean the MSL finals). Its basically impossible to guess savior's strength since 2007-2008. If he made 2mil (assume 5k a game), thats at least 40 games. Considering hes only played ~150 games since 2008, thats at least ~25% of his games thrown. Savior games that should be considered upsets: 2009: Bubble (Fall OSL prelims) Bogus (Spring OSL prelims) Young (PL) 2008: ggaemo (Winter OSL prelims) Nada 0-2 (clubday MSL) Pusan (Fall OSL prelims) GOMTV Invitational matches 2007: Ruby (PL) Mind??(MSL) <- can't remember those games well, and mind was awesome at the time... (more vs P than Z) Hwasin??(WCG) <- Hwasin vs Z, but this is savior at what should be near peak. FBH (MSL) <- from memory, there were several times savior could have won (game 3 particularly I think) Boxer (PL) iloveoov/calm (superfight) You have to remember.... that superfight that savior ridiculously dominated? the one where he basically carried CJ on his back and single handedly killed all the other teams? That was Jan 2007. So I was much more willing to include bigger names for the early part of that year. And I left all the Bisu/FBH games off because, well..... CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT:+ Show Spoiler + I still think his sudden slump after his games vs bisu/FBH are suspicious. But maybe bisu would win anyways. Who knows. Would be a hell of a start if the first match he threw was MSL finals though lol. Actual vods I'm suspicious of (extreeeemely hard to tell. Claim this is biased/subjective and you'll probably be right. But these are my guesses) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10552_firebathero_vs_sAviOr http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10694_FrOzen_vs_sAviOr GOM S2 (Games 2&3 vs free) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/8517_Chalrenge_vs_sAviOr < this game was fucking pathetic. I'm just going from memory. Its bad enough I never want to watch it again. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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nas
Canada33 Posts
On April 13 2010 13:02 fusionsdf wrote: His games vsBisu even (Yes I mean the MSL finals). Its basically impossible to guess sAviOr's strength since 2007-2008. If he made 2mil (assume 5k a game), thats at least 40 games. People who say he wouldn't throw the final against  Bisu are naive (I'm not saying he did for sure but it would be entirely possible). He would get a huge payout betting on a 0-3 result, which he could 100% guarantee. I wouldn't be surprised if he could have made six figures in USD on that alone. Bisu turned out to be strong against Zerg but people didn't know that at the time of the series. Savior never changed his strategy against Bisu, even though he was getting owned by the build.Also, it's not very profitable to get lazy and play like shit. The best is to play well, look very strong and promising and then lose games that should be easy wins.  Luxury looks very suspicious for this reason. BeSt and  UpMaGiC as well. | ||
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