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something is rotten in the state of iccup D rank - Page 2

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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
June 30 2009 23:27 GMT
#21
as a terran, I get cheesed quite a lot by Protoss, but after I got used to it, I ended cheesing the fagtosses who went 1 gate fe.

Cheese is fine!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28848 Posts
June 30 2009 23:44 GMT
#22
i dont understand at all, ive played shitloads of iccup last couple seasons, hundreds of games, but i seriously hardly ever encounter cheese, like one out of 20 games or something.. not as often as it should be honestly xD
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 30 2009 23:47 GMT
#23
Hamachi used to be the best bet for me to play good games with people I knew.. nowadays I got no idea... but in iccup if ur a good gamer it should be more than fun to fucking stop cheese and then have the edge on the game and macro like iloveoov and run em over with ur giant army dude

w/e
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 01 2009 00:01 GMT
#24
On July 01 2009 08:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i dont understand at all, ive played shitloads of iccup last couple seasons, hundreds of games, but i seriously hardly ever encounter cheese, like one out of 20 games or something.. not as often as it should be honestly xD


I think OP's definition of cheese is different from your definition. Plus, if you scout well and your early game looks solid, opponent is less likely to make some sort of allin build. So yeah, I think 'bad' players get cheesed a lot more at D ranks.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11598 Posts
July 01 2009 00:15 GMT
#25
i got "cheesed" once so far in the 30 games i've played. And it wasn't even a cheese really. TvP and I scout that he only has 1 pylon in his main with 2 gates + cyber, so obv. he's proxying something.

So I made vults + mine and mined the fuck outta my natural, and usual spots for a shuttle / dt drop. defended it perfectly fine and got a win.

Just scout well, and know what your opponent should have, so you will know if something just doesnt feel right
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
July 01 2009 00:18 GMT
#26
When I read this, I asked myself one question. Is all cheese rotten?
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11598 Posts
July 01 2009 00:23 GMT
#27
isn't it a mold?
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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
July 01 2009 00:28 GMT
#28
no, it's cottage cheese!
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
DBunny
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada192 Posts
July 01 2009 00:32 GMT
#29
I hear about cheese often, but I've only encountered a handful of cheese when I play icup at D level. I play zerg if that matters, so there is hardly any cheese in one matchup (ZvZ), and D level terrans aren't really comfortable enough in their marine micro to try anything but a bunker at my natural which I don't really consider cheese.
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
July 01 2009 00:49 GMT
#30
Hey i think I played you today haha I was practicing 2port wraithing for a long time today
Oh and 2port wraith is a solid build on some maps (not a cheese, wtf) but can be dominated if scouted, try actually floating the overlord into the base to scout it instead of just stopping at the borders the standard timing is a 20 or 22 I think 2 ports so just have that overlord that's chillin on the border to just check it out because chances are if its a pure mech, which everyone is doing nowadays they wont' have enough rines to take out the overlord before info is gathered.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
July 01 2009 01:02 GMT
#31
Stop thinking that theyre cheese, or youll simply either, dont think its worth it to plan something in response to that style, or get dissapointed with yourself when you keep losing to it, like now.

Find out ways to respond vs it, the thing vs proxies and stuff is that once you know how/when to scout it and how to react, you will rarely lose a game against it again.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
July 01 2009 01:51 GMT
#32
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 01 2009 01:58 GMT
#33
actually when I was trying to test a build out yesterday on D level Iccup, I didn't get a chance to because no one felt like playing standard.

I played 6 games vs Zerg. Only 1 was actual cheese but I just wanted to play once vs a standard two hatch lair and didn't get to.
2 were 1hatch lair ->2hatch
1 was a 5 pool sunken rush
1 was 9 pool sunken rush
1 was 1 hatch lurker
Last one I don't remember but it wasn't standard.

On the D+/C- level though, I rarely encounter any type of cheese. People still do annoying things but rarely do I encounter a 5 pool or proxy 2gate zealot.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 01 2009 01:59 GMT
#34
On July 01 2009 08:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i dont understand at all, ive played shitloads of iccup last couple seasons, hundreds of games, but i seriously hardly ever encounter cheese, like one out of 20 games or something.. not as often as it should be honestly xD

this is because the people that are actually D level think that what they are seeing is cheese, when in actuality it's just standard play that you have to defend. I get the same thing, every season I climb the ladder I'll maybe play only 5 out of 70 games when they really go all-in
You can't fight the feeling.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 01 2009 02:01 GMT
#35
You have to scout and see what's coming. If you think it's not a "real game" because it's not "standard play", then you're just Idra without the skills. A loss is a loss whether you lost to a 5pool or if you lost to recall after 20 minutes of playing.
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
July 01 2009 04:16 GMT
#36
On July 01 2009 07:41 infinity21 wrote:
Another solution is to join a clan where you can ask people to do certain builds to practice against.

this is probably the best choice out there. Make sure to choose a non-douche clan
ggyo...
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