EPT(Yeah I just got out of a sad TvZ on iccup)
Anyone else feel the same with matchups though? I mean this has got to be an extreme case, I'm confident vs B+ protoss players and C- zergs scare the crap out of me most days, heh...
LF
ridiculous!
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
(Yeah I just got out of a sad TvZ on iccup) Anyone else feel the same with matchups though? I mean this has got to be an extreme case, I'm confident vs B+ protoss players and C- zergs scare the crap out of me most days, heh... LF | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5489 Posts
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clazziquai
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On May 22 2009 04:08 inReacH wrote: That actually might help, I almost never offrace. Just play zerg for a while.. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Atleast I know I'm not the only one. TvZ mechanincs are a bit different from TvP mechanincs, you just need some time to master them. Good luck. | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
you must be at least like a rank | ||
Chill
Calgary25969 Posts
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
You should practice with Attackzerg, he was always looking for practice partners of your level. | ||
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
You use your sick timing senses and unreal macro to crush them. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On May 22 2009 04:36 DrTJEckleburg wrote: This is pretty much exactly my situation. I have many protoss friends who I play friendly games with who are B- and higher and I win plenty, I know almost no good zergs and seem to run into so few on ladder at higher ranks like C+ and above I'm playing 70% TvP it seems. I'm just the opposite(confident against B- zerg, scared against D+ protoss). The reasoning is probably the same, one of my friends is a really good zerg and we've played dozens of games while the only tosses I play are on ladder. You should practice with Attackzerg, he was always looking for practice partners of your level.  | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On May 22 2009 04:32 Chill wrote: Somehow I don't believe you! Yeah theres no way youre going to be B in one matchup and C- in another especially when you could do c/c+ with your mechanics alone. otherwise link to account you got b on? | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
I personally can`t understand how people who only play 3 matchups can get such a big skill difference in their respective matchups but it seems pretty common. However B to C- difference sounds insane.... | ||
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TheFlashyOne
Canada450 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On May 22 2009 04:25 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I dont get you... You beat B protoss players but you still are C-? Why don't you play vs B zergs? Yeah, too_muchZerg made a good point. But it's possible to have matchups be very different skill wise altho that shouldnt happen unless you play like 1 MU 90% of the time. On May 22 2009 04:09 Jonoman92 wrote: That's pretty odd. Just playing a standard PvT build and strategy would probably beat a C- zerg so just pretend your opponent is protoss... just maybe make more goliaths instead of vultures and tanks. Don't post shit like this, it's not grounded in reality. A good mech build would be the easiest way to go, but meching TvZ is not the same as TvP. You still need to get to know the timings and other stuff. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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micronesia
United States24613 Posts
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
I'm C+ overall. With B-/B TvP and probably C-/Cish TvZ. I would say there's a good 2 rank gap between matchups for me and I find that to be rather crazy. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 22 2009 05:20 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: how is it possible. scared of ezpz tvz, but confident versus the epitome of gay tvp is imbalanced man. they got siege tanks and vultures | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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reachfortherings
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
I regularly beat B and higher Protoss players yet I struggle and usually get raped by C- zergs. Is this typical to have such a huge skill difference in matchups? I think throughout my competitive playing days I've had exposure to high level protoss players and have had crazy good practice TvP while my TvZ has been non-existent. answered ur own post... gj | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Since I posted this I've played like 8 games on ladder all vs Protoss. I wish more ppl played zerg. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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armed_
Canada443 Posts
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Aqo[il]
Israel183 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
lol | ||
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meathook
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You should really try to off-race though, like someone said already. I started playing zerg every once in a while against terrans, and I really got a better grasp of how the matchup works. | ||
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SoulMarine
United States586 Posts
Play Zerg versus Terran. And please .. don't mech. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 22 2009 06:15 reachfortherings wrote: I think the problem here is that you think ur playing B or higher tosses, but they are actually lower. If you play a toss who's really B or higher iccup, you wont stand much chance - someone who's played you many many games on east a while back and had about literally 95% winrate vs you with all three races (well who knows i might be wrong and u improved hell alot) Oystein confirmed that his TvP is good. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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reachfortherings
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On May 22 2009 11:24 reachfortherings wrote: 70% win rate is mediocre? :OI dont understand. If his tvp is really that good, how is he still a C with mediocre win percentage (his tvp win percentage just as bad..) I just don't ladder enough on 1 account to really gauge myself. I don't hit my wall till C+ and usually run around 70% win rate till I get there. Do I know you as any other aka's on iccup or east? Since you seem to be so deeply interested in me.... My point with this post was my TvP is much much better than my TvZ and if anyone else experiences this. I'm didn't try to say I'm a great player. I am not a great player, I'm very average. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
I haven't kept up with the scene for a long time but im assuming Oystein is good? | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
You just don't play TvZ enough to be good at it. Since you said that you can't even learn "basic timings", yet TvZ's timings are far simpler and clear cut in comparison with TvP's, it just means you haven't even tried to get good at TvZ, and so therefore, since you haven't consciously made an effort to learn it, you'll never be good at it. My guess is that you're also just not used to the much more difficult mechanics of TvZ since you learned how to play on easier TvP mechanics first. Unfortunately, the qualities that make you a great TvP player don't apply much to TvZ while mechanics help you improve universally. I'm the opposite. My TvZ is significantly better than my TvP for similar reasons. I have a friend I play with and I play TvZ maybe 70% of the games I play starcraft. As a result, my TvZ is definitely better. However, playing TvZ so much really helped out my mechanics, and that easily transferred to my subpar TvP, which is now acceptable. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Plus it also happens at the pro level. Casy has some fucking top notch TvZ and some decent TvT, but god he is soooooooo bad at TvP. I swear he plays at like C+ level. | ||
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