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Male circumcision: Pro or Con?

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Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 15:07:40
April 21 2009 17:11 GMT
#1
Prelude

I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a topic for a argumentative paper I have assigned for my English 101 class. I was thinking of doing something relating to video games and violence, but I remembered I did something similar for my Social Science 102 class last semester. I was also thinking to something relating to poverty, but I couldn't find something specific I was really interested in.

So I was browsing Digg, and I found this
Article. I have to say that it really got me curious.

Question

1.Do you guys think that Circumcision among males is ethical or unethical?
2.What about it's implications?
3.Do you think that a individual has the right to make that decision for a child, or should the procedure be done when the child is older, and willing?
4. Do tangible health benefits override other factors to you personally?

There has been 2 teamliquid discussions before, but one of them was mainly about female circumcision in Africa, and the other one is rather old (about 3 years). So I kind of want a fresh debate.
I'm curious to see what people think, and what arguments you guys will use for Pro and cons. Also, it would definitely help my paper.

So what do all of you guys think?
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 17:22:39
April 21 2009 17:16 GMT
#2
This is just asking for a flame war.

I don't like it. I think all the arguments for circumcision are poor and it's just a useless ritual. Some people will throw statistics at you like 'people with foreskin are more likely to get an infection' but they're too stupid to realise that's only because doctors are pulling it back forcibly, not because it's dirty. If one just stretches their foreskin normally and healthily, they don't have this problem. I'd be more worried about trusting a doctor with a knife around those parts unnecessarily, because the consequences of a slip are much more devastating than a little infection.

If you wanna talk about FGM, that's obviously unethical and results in immense pain for the woman. They only do it so that sex won't be enjoyable and she'll be monogamous.
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Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
April 21 2009 17:18 GMT
#3
pros : you apparently last longer (shouldn't be a problem to start with)
more hygienic ( wtf? you should be washing anyway)
cons: a slice of your manliness is taken
it hurts for ages?
i guess it might look worse?

no idea thats all i got
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 21 2009 17:22 GMT
#4
Pretty boring topic tbh cos it doesn't really make much difference.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 21 2009 17:26 GMT
#5
makes no difference but most girls prefer a circumcised guy because they think that it is more hygienic.

Personally I am proud to be uncircumcised.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 21 2009 17:30 GMT
#6
makes no difference but most girls prefer a circumcised guy because they think that it is more hygienic.

I would truly LOVE to see that survey. It's just a myth.
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404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
April 21 2009 17:31 GMT
#7
Circumcised at birth, so I can't give you both sides

I'm interested to see where this goes. That article you linked to had some valid arguments.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
April 21 2009 17:35 GMT
#8
Pros: it's more clean
Cons: it doesn't feel as good, apparently
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
April 21 2009 17:40 GMT
#9
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 21 2009 17:44 GMT
#10
I met this guy that was 38 when he thru with a circumcision and he said he likes sex more being uncircumcised. He was 42 when I interviewed him.

I on the other hand sport the anteater. I don't know how anyone would go about having a circumcision after several years of life.
On April 22 2009 02:30 Chef wrote:
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makes no difference but most girls prefer a circumcised guy because they think that it is more hygienic.

I would truly LOVE to see that survey. It's just a myth.


I've always asked girls out of curiosity and it seems like they rather touch something that looks smooth and clean.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8201 Posts
April 21 2009 17:45 GMT
#11
I think it's another fucking retarded question.

I don't see what ethic has to do with male circumcision. Have to learn to respect other's cultures bloody hell!
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
April 21 2009 17:50 GMT
#12
On April 22 2009 02:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I think it's another fucking retarded question.

I don't see what ethic has to do with male circumcision. Have to learn to respect other's cultures bloody hell!


Basically everything? You chop off an irreplacable part of the body. Depending on your individual background, this may or may not be ethical.

Personally, I am happy to not be circumsized.
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
April 21 2009 18:01 GMT
#13
I am not circumcised.

Just to throw out the cleanliness factor - this was true when, you know, people were terrible with hygiene. In 2009, with showers and soap, it is really really not an issue - I promise.

second, as far as girls preference, it is totally cultural. different girls like different things and most get over that preference the second they really want to fuck a guy.
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404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
April 21 2009 18:04 GMT
#14
Once in a condom it's pretty much the same thing anyway
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Gnojfatelob
Profile Joined April 2008
Belgium216 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 18:09:03
April 21 2009 18:08 GMT
#15
Its a ritual like any other, it once upon a time made sense to do, but is now entirely and utterly useless. Like most rituals that serve no purpose whatsoever i am against it.

If it was a completely painless procedure, then i would not care at all about this, but i dont see myself allowing someone to just cut away at my son for no apparent reason. (that is if i ever have one ofc) and i strongly discourage anyone to enforce this on their kids. Just wait a couple of years and see if he himself wants it. I doubt many people would be circumsized if they were old enough to make the decision for themselves.

But anyway, its not that big of a deal really, you should find something more compelling to write an article about.
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stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
April 21 2009 18:10 GMT
#16
I think the ethics part of this lies in that parents will make this decision. Are parents making the right choice when sending their babies to the chopping block? Sure, the babies don't remember it, but I'm certain at the time they feel pain unknown to most adults. Statistics do show that circumcised men are less likely to get infections and even that it reduces the risk of getting HIV. So it can't be all bad. Personally I like my "hat". Without it, I'm sure it would be pretty desensitised when it matters the most. All the cleaning and scrubbing in the world is worth that.
Gnojfatelob
Profile Joined April 2008
Belgium216 Posts
April 21 2009 18:13 GMT
#17
On April 22 2009 02:18 Zurles wrote:
pros : you apparently last longer (shouldn't be a problem to start with)


I will not even comment on the stupidity and complete irrelivance of this comment, instead think about this: if removing your foreskin would improve your stamina, then that would mean that the stimuli you receive would be flattened and less intense (the intenser the stimuli, the closer you are to come). So removing your foreskin would actually lessen your sexual experience and sensations. Why on earth would you want to accomplish that????
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
April 21 2009 18:13 GMT
#18
It's a requirement at many Jewish sororities.

On April 22 2009 03:01 choboPEon wrote:
Just to throw out the cleanliness factor - this was true when, you know, people were terrible with hygiene. In 2009, with showers and soap, it is really really not an issue - I promise.

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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 18:15:35
April 21 2009 18:15 GMT
#19
Unless it's going to prevent complications (not too uncommon tbh) I don't really see the point.

It should really just be viewed as a medical procedure.

On the other hand I guess it would prevent any embarrassing foreskin problems that could arise later in life that couldn't be predicted earlier (inability to retract it etc.)

come to think of it i don't care. And I don't really think it's unethical, just stupid.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 18:20:06
April 21 2009 18:17 GMT
#20
Just to throw out the cleanliness factor - this was true

I wonder if I had no lips, would my mouth be cleaner? Or maybe if I didn't have eyelids, I wouldn't get dirt stuck in them? <3 conventional wisdom. Also, you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex. Teenagers said so!
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