Yes, SC: BW is probably the most difficult game to master there is, but you people are being ridiculous. Since when does beating your friends at any game mean anything? Everyone's friends think they're the shit at every game they play whether it be Mario Kart, Madden, Smash Brothers, Counterstrike, etc. Since when does beating bad players mean anything?

Being a good SC:BW player isn't what makes you good at other games, having the intelligence and desire to be a good SC:BW player requires the same drive to be good at other games, other games are just all easier and take less time.

It's just absolutely sick some of you think that because you have good macro at Starcraft that your easily a top tier player at any other game.

For example, whoever's crappy friend that plays War3 and is 50% after 5000 games would probably have been an even worse Starcraft player. But playing 5000 games of Starcraft would not have made him a better War3 player, he would have just been horrible at both games.

A warcraft player who has never played broodwar before would be absolutly RAPED by a D+ player.

I take bets.

I have a friend who grinds 400NL now who was a top UD War3 player who could possibly be interested in this. How much exactly do you want to bet? And how long are you going to give him to practice?

Boblion

France8043 Posts

February 13 2009 07:07 GMT

#43

On February 13 2009 15:58 lwstupidus wrote:
I have a friend who grinds 400NL now who was a top UD War3 player who could possibly be interested in this. How much exactly do you want to bet? And how long are you going to give him to practice?

Well since i can't really know if he has never played bw ( no proofs ) i won't bet money with a random dude on bnet ( and i'm quite broke actually although i can always find few euros ) who could be an oldschool player or a guy smurfing

Otherwise it would have been 3 days ( as it was stated in the post i quoted ).
But we can go for free or a sig bet ( although i doubt he would be interested if he plays 400NL lol ).

I would bet 50$ with trustworthy people for a bo3. But well, i don't know many trustworthy people on TL / bnet and those people have to know one War3 player with 0 bw experience and ready to take the bet so ...

lwstupidus

United States74 Posts

February 13 2009 07:24 GMT

#44

On February 13 2009 16:07 Boblion wrote:

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Fair enough.

Bagin

9 Posts

February 13 2009 08:05 GMT

#45

nice story! i also remember a lan at my school where they played bw and thought they were the ubergosus because they had around 100 to 300 b.net games on mucho maps... tbh the games i watched weren't even thaaaat bad (they even used some hotkeys). i thought about bragging a bit and playing some games to show them how bw is really played but well in the end i didn't care and let them have their fun on their level without saying a word

falls

United States168 Posts

February 13 2009 08:58 GMT

#46

I think its the heavy emphasis on the mechanics in Starcraft that translates. Most good Starcraft players understand the theory behind the mechanics in RTS games(resource/economic management, build orders, unit control, etc). These things are in all RTS games, though with differing amounts and emphasis. Because good Starcraft players already understand this really well, its easy to apply this another game, since they only need to adapt to the metagame of that game and learn a little bit of theory. However, the inverse could be true as well, but there isn't a game that has been developed so much and with such a large emphasis on mechanics like Starcraft.

An analogy would be mathematics. RTS mechanics is similar to mathematics, as its the basis for competitive RTS like how mathematics is the basis for most sciences. Physics would be closest to Starcraft because physics has such a heavy emphasis on mathematics unlike the other sciences. With a good mathematics background/RTS mechanics and understanding of how science/RTS work, it would be most likely easier to go from physics/Starcraft to say biology/Warcraft 3 then the other way around.

This is just my opinion, so don't flame me.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

February 13 2009 09:15 GMT

#47

FTW! U show them! hahaha

AttackZerg

United States7584 Posts

February 13 2009 09:20 GMT

#48

I had a friend named jon.

Fucking sick sick sick RTS gamer .... I mean bloody fucking sick.

Every RTS since warcraft (the real one

he immediately becomes amazing.

In a year of playing he was never able to maintain an over 50% record on the bottom rungs of wgtour

Reason. The mechanics were too demanding. His brilliant strategic mind was stiffled by the fast paced, mechanics. I've taken this as an omen. Since I improved at starcraft there has yet to be an RTS that I can't simply destroy people at normally with in a couple of hours. My first games of AOE were on lan 1:1 tournament, and I won convincingly, because I played "Starcraft aoe" basicly the japanese like zerg, and made 10 stables, and pumped scouts.

I think starcraft is the only rts from it time period that you can't just jump into playing. Now of course wc3 and others have risen in status and complexity but overall I would say this is the only game that I needed help when I first started ....

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

February 13 2009 11:05 GMT

#49

On February 13 2009 08:31 Atrioc wrote:
Haha i've been doing this same thing on every single RTS game that has come out in years and I'm only D+/C- at Starcraft

I've got this trademark thing (among friends / at LANs) of making a "3 day promise" - you pick an RTS game and even though I've never played it I will beat you at it in 3 days guaranteed. Worked for cocky assholes at Age of Empires III, Company of Heroes, Dawn of War, Empire Earth, etc.

It even works on Warcraft III (though this one is by far the closest to SC in terms of depth and much more difficult to use) I gave my friend who had been playing the game for YEARS and had thousands of 1v1 wins a "1 month promise" to see if i could beat him by the end of the month. When the time came I won 2-1 in a Bo3 and then proceeded to beat him again 7-0 a month later.

SC is seriously the most skill intensive game basically ever made. Only some hardcore fighting games are of similiar depth.

my first competitive game was starcraft and this maybe sounds funny but some mindset came through when I started playing fighting games

like how to prepare against a cheese build is very similar to preparing for a wakeup shoryu

also i could take my time in training mode easier because i got used to the (somewhat boring) practice