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Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
December 11 2008 23:12 GMT
#21
1984 was a very good year.... for small town girls.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
December 11 2008 23:16 GMT
#22
On December 12 2008 08:12 Woyn wrote:
1984 was a very good year.... for small town girls.

?
Maero
Profile Joined December 2007
349 Posts
December 11 2008 23:30 GMT
#23
On December 12 2008 08:12 Woyn wrote:
1984 was a very good year.... for small town girls.


living in a loooooonely woooooorld
Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
December 12 2008 02:28 GMT
#24
***semi-hijacking this thread, but seeing as it's not that active it might actually wake some discussion into it. besides the whole point of 1984 is to make us be critical of where we are living. I read 1984 years ago ***

I have to say the more time pass I feel like my country is similar to the one described in 1984 and it's getting less and less subtle every day..

It doesn't matter if Israelis elect right or left we always get a leftist government in the past 15 years. In the 2003 election Halikud was against the Labor Party (right and left). The Labor campaign called for evacuating Jewish population from Gush Katif and the Shomron. Halikud went against that and it's leader said he will no more give Tel Aviv than give Gush Katif. Sure enough he won by a large margin for saying that and went along to brutally evacuate Gush Katif and part of the Shomron, executing the exact opposite thing he was elected for and suddenly enjoying huge media support, I forgot to mention his criminal records got mysteriously (yet every Israeli knows it) postponed until he finished the "disengagement"

In Israel 2008 all the ideologies of the 3 big parties' leaders are basically the same, the only thing that is looked at is their "personality". A deviant from that specific "ideology" means to be the enemy of the media. As a result Israel might be a democracy of people, but it's very close to being a dictatorship of ideas.

Our court system is completely corrupt. Just a small example of our corruption from last week: a 70 year old from Hebron with no previous record was lynched by Arabs and severely injured, he shot one of them for his defense and got out of there alive. He was immediately arrested and is now a week later in full house custody awaiting further trial, while the people who attacked him (their names and addresses known) weren't even called to give a statement, let alone stand to trial for what they did to him.

I have written SO little it goes on and on and on, as opposed to 1984 if you listen well you can hear what is going on, to describe all the wrongdoings of Israel democracy, court systems and media will take many books.

It's easier to call for change when a huge party is beyond you and the media is giving you supportive coverage. It's a lot harder when you are beyond a centralist 1984ish media system and corrupt court systems, when people are afraid to organize from fear of being arrested, when the police is used to crack skulls of their own people (Amona) and the army evacuates a family with 5 little children, destroying their house in the middle of the night without previous notice . When the voices of the people are being ignored and their minds brain washed..

Change might have come to America but I know that Israel is sadly very far from it..
Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-12 02:32:07
December 12 2008 02:30 GMT
#25
lol it's funny writing all this than seeing the blog isn't bumped, it bumps in the Blog list but doesn't appear in the side bard, kinda ironic btw maybe some mod will move this to General?
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 12 2008 04:13 GMT
#26
Epic fail lul may i suggest reading books that are most common in academic related subject matter?
That and -> general = much more attendance.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-12 04:29:30
December 12 2008 04:18 GMT
#27
On December 12 2008 13:13 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Epic fail lul may i suggest reading books that are most common in academic related subject matter?

May I suggest being less of a douchebag? meanie face?

Edit: The book was chosen democratically, in-case you are wondering why your post pisses me off.

Edit2: Not to mention posting 'Epic fail lul' right after somebody tries to revive the thread.

Edit3: Made my response nicer after initial rage subsided.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-12 12:11:01
December 12 2008 12:09 GMT
#28
On December 12 2008 13:13 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Epic fail lul may i suggest reading books that are most common in academic related subject matter?
That and -> general = much more attendance.


As if 1984 wasn't one of the most canonical texts of the 20th century.

We could still try and get this thread moved to general.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-12 12:17:05
December 12 2008 12:15 GMT
#29
1984 is a great book i should read it again ;(

heaven you fail :p
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
December 12 2008 17:53 GMT
#30
On December 12 2008 11:28 Locke. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

***semi-hijacking this thread, but seeing as it's not that active it might actually wake some discussion into it. besides the whole point of 1984 is to make us be critical of where we are living. I read 1984 years ago ***

I have to say the more time pass I feel like my country is similar to the one described in 1984 and it's getting less and less subtle every day..

It doesn't matter if Israelis elect right or left we always get a leftist government in the past 15 years. In the 2003 election Halikud was against the Labor Party (right and left). The Labor campaign called for evacuating Jewish population from Gush Katif and the Shomron. Halikud went against that and it's leader said he will no more give Tel Aviv than give Gush Katif. Sure enough he won by a large margin for saying that and went along to brutally evacuate Gush Katif and part of the Shomron, executing the exact opposite thing he was elected for and suddenly enjoying huge media support, I forgot to mention his criminal records got mysteriously (yet every Israeli knows it) postponed until he finished the "disengagement"

In Israel 2008 all the ideologies of the 3 big parties' leaders are basically the same, the only thing that is looked at is their "personality". A deviant from that specific "ideology" means to be the enemy of the media. As a result Israel might be a democracy of people, but it's very close to being a dictatorship of ideas.

Our court system is completely corrupt. Just a small example of our corruption from last week: a 70 year old from Hebron with no previous record was lynched by Arabs and severely injured, he shot one of them for his defense and got out of there alive. He was immediately arrested and is now a week later in full house custody awaiting further trial, while the people who attacked him (their names and addresses known) weren't even called to give a statement, let alone stand to trial for what they did to him.

I have written SO little it goes on and on and on, as opposed to 1984 if you listen well you can hear what is going on, to describe all the wrongdoings of Israel democracy, court systems and media will take many books.

It's easier to call for change when a huge party is beyond you and the media is giving you supportive coverage. It's a lot harder when you are beyond a centralist 1984ish media system and corrupt court systems, when people are afraid to organize from fear of being arrested, when the police is used to crack skulls of their own people (Amona) and the army evacuates a family with 5 little children, destroying their house in the middle of the night without previous notice . When the voices of the people are being ignored and their minds brain washed..

Change might have come to America but I know that Israel is sadly very far from it..


It might take time, but I hope for you that things will change.
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