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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
July 31 2008 02:52 GMT
#1
I decided to put this in a blog section instead of the strat forum because I don't believe it is worthy enough to go on there, and this is just one game that has lead me to one of my first zvt wins!

You go 12 pool, 11 pool and 10 hatch. Make 6 zerglings. Get up to 100 gas, upgrade the speed for zerglings and then make the 3 drones mine minerals again. Get your 3rd hatch around 14. Knowing that most terrans go 1 rax FE nowadays, I knew this should work. I pump just zerglings now, and I have an overlord at the ridge to see a rough count of how many marines he had. I know have about 3 groups of zerglings. I send the overlord to the marines to fire at that instead of my main army, like a suicide thing and send my army in at the same time and GG!!

I know this isn't in a strategy guide forum but this should work well.

HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-31 03:10:42
July 31 2008 02:59 GMT
#2
On July 31 2008 11:52 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I decided to put this in a blog section instead of the strat forum because I don't believe it is worthy enough to go on there, and this is just one game that has lead me to one of my first zvt wins!

You go 12 pool, 11 pool and 10 hatch. Make 6 zerglings. Get up to 100 gas, upgrade the speed for zerglings and then make the 3 drones mine minerals again. Get your 3rd hatch around 14. Knowing that most terrans go 1 rax FE nowadays, I knew this should work. I pump just zerglings now, and I have an overlord at the ridge to see a rough count of how many marines he had. I know have about 3 groups of zerglings. I send the overlord to the marines to fire at that instead of my main army, like a suicide thing and send my army in at the same time and GG!!

I know this isn't in a strategy guide forum but this should work well.


ok ill make 2 pools
omg 3 hatch lings omgomgomg~ such a gosu strat thats never been done before omggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
tracer
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)693 Posts
July 31 2008 03:00 GMT
#3
3-hatch speedlings is a pretty welll known strat against fast FE. The thing is, you have to be careful to hide your zerglings. If he scouts it, he can add a few firebats and turtle up with a few bunks and then you're screwed with crap econ and a bunch of relatively useless zerglings.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
July 31 2008 03:02 GMT
#4
terran will notice late lair and if they see 6 lings anyway they'll probably have a bunk out
ils
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
July 31 2008 03:15 GMT
#5
Removing drones from gas will always give you away, hell even not removing them but getting speed before lair will be a clear sign for decent terrans.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 31 2008 03:16 GMT
#6
as terran, I will send an scv out to scout it.

If I see it I'm not even coming down my ramp until I have enough firebats

you're basically relying on your opponent not scouting you
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
July 31 2008 03:19 GMT
#7
Well he couldn't scout it muhahahaha, I killed his scouting scvs. And I meant 11 extractors
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
July 31 2008 03:21 GMT
#8
and i intended sarcasm
but nooo, everyone takes me seriously
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 31 2008 03:24 GMT
#9
On July 31 2008 12:19 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Well he couldn't scout it muhahahaha, I killed his scouting scvs. And I meant 11 extractors


yeah but the point is, if I see more than 6 lings Im gonna be supicious

if I see any amount of lings, even only 6, with early speed Im going to be super suspicious
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
July 31 2008 03:25 GMT
#10
True true, well I'm happy it worked! lol im so noob
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 31 2008 03:27 GMT
#11
its cool I am a fellow noob
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2008 03:30 GMT
#12
real men pretend their mutalisk harassment has failed while pumping 999999 lings and waiting for the silly terran to try and venture forth with a squad or two of mnm to stop your "lurkers."

muhahahahahahaha mutaling flank them and then run into his base = gg :D
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 31 2008 04:52 GMT
#13
and then blog about it and have everyone call the terran noob

T_T

...

T_____T
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 31 2008 05:01 GMT
#14
On July 31 2008 13:52 fusionsdf wrote:
and then blog about it and have everyone call the terran noob

T_T

...

T_____T



oooh a science vessel

...were you saying something?

poor fusionsdf

next time i see you on iccup i'll give you a free win ok?
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-31 06:31:26
July 31 2008 06:19 GMT
#15
I have lived a wasted 15 years but I believe this is the best build!!! -

1. 12 Hatch 11 Pool 10 Gas
2. Get about 10-12 lings and with first 100 gas speed
3. Next 100 gas Lair
4a. Check what Terran has - if he has a bunker then run past and start going in his main, killing rines coming out of rax and same time killing scvs (if he comes out of bunker you can rape it with speedlings - he should have like 6 rines or something i think)
4b. If he has no bunker then kill his marines or find a way around and kill natural SCVs
5. You should be able to do some damages with this. Next since you've got your Lair up you make the Spire ofc - second gas at 50% Spire
6. 2 Hatch mutas
7. Win
8a. Then there's stuff you can deviate here - You can do an all-in mutaling build that owns C level and lower (this is you get +1 attack mutas which should be researched on spire completion after the 6 mutas, possibly +1 attack lings) and attack when you've got the upgrades done. (Your upgrades finish generally a little bit after terran moves out - which is nice because you can get a gosu flank with about 2 control group mutas and 2-3 control group lings - but if he scouts he will have the science vessels and turtle so you'll need to time this right and possibly put a feignt hydra den (and feign a few hydras. Then get a queen's nest for guards later and you can expand during the time you building up btw - should have like 4 hatches by the time you attack with ur muta ling force)
8b. Or, you can add a 3rd hatch and then go into a standard game, 3rd hatch might go to another main with ramp which you can defend later with 2 lurkers

In my stupidity, I like 2 hatch Oh yea you should practice muta micro a lot because if you don't do any damage with lings you need to get back in the game with muta micro. Lots of nooby terrans (C- and lower or so) don't have timing down for 2 hatch mutas and get too greedy, and then you can win right there but practice a lot on those muta micro maps on iccup latency [extra high to simulate a second player in game])
Well lots of people don't like 2 hatch builds but my ZvT is bad so I just rely on aggression builds

Oh yeah another build -

5 pool into 2 hatch mutas or 5 pool into mass drops (Teacher Chill should release a guide on this, I obsed a game of him and he was so gosu with it) is nice and fun Forgive me if you don't like these builds, venerable elders.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-31 07:39:13
July 31 2008 07:23 GMT
#16
On July 31 2008 14:01 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2008 13:52 fusionsdf wrote:
and then blog about it and have everyone call the terran noob

T_T

...

T_____T



oooh a science vessel

...were you saying something?

poor fusionsdf

next time i see you on iccup i'll give you a free win ok?

yeah cuz you're mr moneybags with your 250k household income

AS LONG AS OBAMA DOESNT TAKE ALL THAT SHIT RIGHT?

edit: oh man dont take me seriously im just yankin your cock

edit2: NO IM NOT I HATE YOU YOU FUCKING IDIOT GO KILL YOURSELF

edit3: HOLY SHITFUCK
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 31 2008 08:53 GMT
#17
does anyone really need a build order for 3hatch speedling

and why do you call the matchup TvZ? If YOU'RE the zerg, then its ZvT, you're playing Zerg, Versus Terran
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
July 31 2008 09:02 GMT
#18
terran sees early gas (before hatch, wtf??)
UNFUCK YOURSELF
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